Pontiac may be dead by monday..

[flyingn]

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/23/r...ontiac-monday/

sad....

[10/10_RS/Z28]

They may all be dead by Monday! The unions killed them just as skillfully as the military took out the pirates!!!

[markinnaples]

Maybe they'll make the G8 a Chevelle SS or something.

[daleone3]

The UAW has added no value in the last twenty years and has single handed brought the company to its knees thru it unwillingness to share in the bad times. When things are good they want it all but when things decline, they stand on the necks of good companies and make unreasonable demands. If not for the unions, we would be able to buy a car at a reasonable price and not have to worry about quality. Dont get me wrong, I drive all Chevys and am a GM loyalist but this is ridiculous that the UAW is willing to make NO concessions to assist in cost cutting measures.

Years ago up here in Framingham Mass, GM built a $3m paint plant added on to their existing facility where they built Buicks. The union took strike after GM tried to hire more people to reduce overtime and GM told them they would close the plant if they did not give a bit, and no one ever thought they would having just built the new paint plant. Guess what happened, GM padlocked it, called their bluff and put thousands out of work, people that were getting $30hr to turn 6 door bolts had to get regular paying jobs like you and me and found out the hard way that the union screwed them all in the end.

Sorry for the rant, most of the GM mess was probably avoidable.

[Keith Tedford]

Your key words Scott, were "Years ago". Over the last 15 years GM has somehow disarmed and castrated the auto workers unions in Canada and the US. In Oshawa, years ago, there were sit down strikes and all sorts of stuff. I saw the changes. Guys who retired even ten years ago would not recognize the place now. Now, if a guy threatens to call a committeeman, the foreman literally laughs in his face. They are NOT powerful unions any more, but we ARE living with the management and union mistakes of the past and it is killing the North American auto industry. They are talking the big bluff, but the unions know what it takes to keep their jobs when push comes to shove in these times. There will be concessions and big ones. Scary times ahead.
With Buick so popular in China, it was pretty obvious to me that Pontiac would be the first to go. There will be at least 2-3 more lines gone before this all shakes out.

[The Dude]

Wait a friggin minute. No Consession???? Do a google search on UAW consessions and get a clue. What are the unreasonable demands the UAW is making today. Dont bring up some plant that closed 25 years ago. The UAW has given up wages, benefits, days off, etc all in the name of saving the Big 3. Hell, if GM even gets right and hires people again they will make 14 bucks an hour. Thats not giving back??? Thats an unreasonable demand??? The UAW opened the contract, again, a few months ago. Ford workers ended the Jobs Bank, gave back paid holidays, and gave up tutition assistance. We also gave up future raises to help cover retiree health care, gave up cost of living, and no longer have the job classifications we used to have. No more cleaners, sweepers, material handlers. Only assembly work. We all work in teams like the Japanese do. And those working now will be the last to make a good wage. All new hires will make half what we do now.

So please tell me again how the UAW has done nothing.

And please tell me why the Japanese, who do not have unions, sell cars at or above the prices of union made cars with the same or below level quality.

[69 Post Sedan]

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Wait a friggin minute. No Consession???? Do a google search on UAW consessions and get a clue. What are the unreasonable demands the UAW is making today. Dont bring up some plant that closed 25 years ago. The UAW has given up wages, benefits, days off, etc all in the name of saving the Big 3. Hell, if GM even gets right and hires people again they will make 14 bucks an hour. Thats not giving back??? Thats an unreasonable demand??? The UAW opened the contract, again, a few months ago. Ford workers ended the Jobs Bank, gave back paid holidays, and gave up tutition assistance. We also gave up future raises to help cover retiree health care, gave up cost of living, and no longer have the job classifications we used to have. We all work in teams like the Japanese do.

So please tell me again how the UAW has done nothing.

And please tell me why the Japanese, who do not have unions, sell cars at or above the prices of union made cars with the same or below level quality.

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[442w30]

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And please tell me why the Japanese, who do not have unions, sell cars at or above the prices of union made cars with the same or below level quality.

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If you want the guy criticizing unions to be objective, you also need to demonstrate objectivity with your comments or, at the very least, show where Japanese cars are equal in quality at best.

I also think you're mistaken, if I infer this correctly, that non-union-built cars are not as good quality-wise.

[69 Post Sedan]

It looks as though this link needs to be read again by some.

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/show...fpart/all/vc/1