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Old 11-07-2003, 04:10 AM
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none,the R A 5 was never a production gto.this was only added by dealers or owners.the heads and intake could be bought over the counter.but never came factory.royal pontiac built a few RA5 [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] cars but there again after market.
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Old 11-07-2003, 05:22 AM
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Old 11-07-2003, 08:24 AM
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Wow, cool thread (I live for this sh*t)! I'm going to agree w/ Belair62 and say YES...these dealers (Knafel/Royal) could get anything they wanted as far as Pontiac's were concerned. But, I'm going to embelish on his statement and say that they could get access to the limited amount of RA-V "crate" engines to perform the conversion if they wanted to. JoeG brought an excellent point to the table. When I 1st saw that segment I nearly jumped up off my soap-box screaming "They never installed a RA-V from the FACTORY". They went on to explain what's in the text of the web page and I could go back to drinking my Yoo-hoo with my previous beliefs intact. The only RA-5 dealer conversion that I know of (personally) is the blue (turquoise)/white Royal 69 car. That's not to say that other conversions werent't built by dealers 'after the assy. line' but I'd help back 442W30 w/ $500 on the 5K wager that 'AStock's car is not a production line car. BTW, I'm one of 'kids' on this board so I could be wrong...but I'll back this belief w/ cash.
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Old 11-08-2003, 12:51 AM
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Guys,

Pontiac "never" built a Ram Air V GTO at the factory!!!

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Old 11-08-2003, 12:57 AM
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Old 11-08-2003, 01:17 AM
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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]THERE YOU HAVE IT!! I GUESS I WONT BE GETTING THAT IVORY BACK SCRATCHER AFTERALL [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] ON THAT NOTE, THERES A GUY IN JERSEY WHO SAYS HE HAS A 69 YENKO CHEVELLE WITH AN L88 IN IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Old 11-08-2003, 04:23 AM
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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]THERE YOU HAVE IT!! I GUESS I WONT BE GETTING THAT IVORY BACK SCRATCHER AFTERALL [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] ON THAT NOTE, THERES A GUY IN JERSEY WHO SAYS HE HAS A 69 YENKO CHEVELLE WITH AN L88 IN IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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Old 11-08-2003, 01:13 AM
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Jim,
Amazing how you managed to put up this post while we were discussing this on the phone, must have a hands free head set eh? So now that the question has been laid to rest I assume all bets are off? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 11-09-2003, 04:58 AM
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Where's Astock? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Now that things have turned a bit friendlier . . . could the car have been delivered with a RAV? Possibly. But, if so, chances are the car was created with an RPO engine and then the RAV substituted. But I don't know why that would be. After all, if the RAV was available over the counter, wouldn't Knafel be able to do it themselves?

For now, factory documentation is the only proof. Till there is some other proof, I won't believe it. I don't understand why some are believing the speculation when if the same thing was said about a COPO, proof would be expected.

Also, there are some in the Pontiac community who don't always lend creedence to what Jim Wangers or the Knafels have to say. There's some good insight, but it is not always gospel.
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