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Old 06-18-2007, 10:52 PM
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Default Re: #CE L88 427BBC long block value

I might be wrong but under the current judging standards would a warrany CE block not be considered second tier to a correctly dated restoration block with a non conforming block pad? I don't think anyone is advocating the CE should be excluded from conventional judging standards as it is obviously a non original component. We can leave that can of worms to the block restamping industry. What would be the detrimental impact of embracing the reality of the CE block and incorporating its specific characteristics into judging standards? I believe it would bring some nice examples to the show field. Under current conditions why waste the time and energy?
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:42 PM
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Default Re: #CE L88 427BBC long block value

That's a good point (about bringing out CE blocks that would receive nearly a 600 point deduction). A CE block would only receive the points for the broach being present if everything else was too late for the car. With a 575 point decutcion, a car could, at best receive a Second Flight .
That would be a chore for those that revise the judging manual. I don't know how they'd reward a documented CE block, or if true documentation of one is possible.
I'd love to see a true CE block car show up, if nice car, I'd like to see it do well in judging.
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Old 06-20-2007, 06:05 AM
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The casting number must be correct for the year of the car and the casting date must be before the build date of the car to avoid a point deduction, period.

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Ummmmm....
Hhmmmm!

As I am reading this, you are Specifically pointing out (NCRS) Judging only.
A 351 block in a 67 Vette must have a preceding build/casted date repalcement CE Block.
Now, Why is this original block being replaced by a previously assembled engine?
OK, maybe an engine failure prior to shipment, maybe.
Seems logical.
However, I still stand to Chuck's pointe that a latter date code should be valid, and why not???!!!!!!
Does the dealer actually look for a previously date coded replacement block back in 67?
NO!
They will replace it with the appropriate GM authorized unit, and one that is available to either be shipped for installation at the Chevrolet dealer, or with the appropriate unit, either at that dealership, or one from a local dealership in the vicinity.
Tell me, how many of these CE blocks did they have to choose from back in 1967?

I find it hard to believe that a natural order of preselection occurred back then, but maybe there were shortblocks sitting ready to be used.
But how available was that 351 Block in, for example, in Flagstaff, Arizona...when the engine let go?
Did the Chevrolet dealer or division hunt down a previously dated 351 CE L88 specifically for this car?
How many 351 CE L88s were in that vicinity?

I am suggesting only that the following CE stamped and coded L88 was assembled as a warranty replacement or as an over the counter unit for sale to the public.
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Old 06-20-2007, 06:10 AM
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Default Re: #CE L88 427BBC long block value

Add to that point that there were NO CE 3904351 engines and you really have a dilemma. They didnt start using the CE stamping until 68. 66 and 67 replacement factory motors were blank pad stamps.
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