1970 gto judge ram air IV

[Steve_Hoog]

Just for grins, what do you think these cars could be valued at if they did indeed come with the RAV from engineering? Do you think they would be in the same league as the 69 all aluminum Vette, that 1 of 2 is known to exist?

[Mr70]

Those 2 Corvettes exist.One is in Kevin S. collection out west,the other in Florida I believe.
I would think it would be comparable to these cars.

[Steve_Hoog]

My bad, I thought the one if Florida was only known about.

[Pantera]

I think there must have been more than 2 built. I remember seeing one in person down at 4th & Lewis at a bodyshop, back when it was new and still had a window sticker on it. It was a blue cpe. Never did get to talk to the owner as no one was around. (Boy was that ever tempting) and when I went back the next day it was gone. I later went to work for that same bodyshop but it is long gone now. Sure wish I had taken a pic of it.

[Jeff H]

I think there has been discussion about the number of ZL1 Corvettes built and I thought I had heard 7 instead of the 2 that are always talked about. Do you remember roughly what the sticker price was on the Blue Vette you saw?

[Steve_Hoog]

Upon reviewing Pete McCarthy and John Angeles Pontiac Musclecar Performance book, I find it to be layered with SD build sheets including the "memo". In this book, numerous references to cars going to engineering all of which are referred to as factory cars. Numerous examples of "memo" and "sepcial equipment", and no body sealer as Mike indicated with the Tin Indian. Along with many other variations, the only differences between these SD's cars and two 70's we are now talking about seems to be no one has written a book about them.

I also find it interesting that there is no mention of any Knafel race cars, or Knafel racing invovlement. Does anyone know what that is all about? Pete or John have a beef with Bill?

[Belair62]

[ QUOTE ]
Along with many other variations, the only differences between these SD's cars and two 70's we are now talking about seems to be no one has written a book about them

[/ QUOTE ] SD was an entire package to include body parts ,aluminum,engine,rear end,exhaust....produced to win races in both drag racing and Grand National racing...the heavy duty parts produced by Pontiac back then was amazing...it was MUCH more than just an engine....I don't think they ever drilled holes in a GTO frame !!!That book is one of the best to read about the heyday of Pontiac performance.Hard to draw a line between the SD and RA V IMO.

[Steve_Hoog]

I don't think anyone would argue against the SD's being bad to the bone race cars, and very much factory supported. I would love to have one some day, pending winning the lotto.

[skierkaj]

In response to the 1 of 2 corvettes; What about the Pontiac Banshee (only 2 made)? I had a chance to see one at the Iola Car Show in Iola, WI. That thing was soooooooo cool. Almost exactly like the Vette, but with a little different front, and a specially raised center hood. The hood looked like it had a partial shark fin coming out of it right in the center. Anyone else see this car in person?

[sixtiesmuscle]

I don't mean to disagree with my good friend Belair, but, some clarification is warrented.The Super Duty cars didn't all have aluminum body parts, and there were a relatively large number made. Sure, the "Swiss Cheese" cars [13 I think?] were very special, but, there were lots of 62 & 63 Super Dutys built for street use. I found the quote about a RA IV SD motor very interesting because that is what the Tin Indian has in it, a RAV block, etc., and RAIV Heads. So, maybe there is a correlation between the early SDs and the later "SD's". Both of the RA IV cars I have were built by Pontiac with all the weight saving deletions possible. They were built specifically for racing, and that's all they did.