1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

[bkhpah]

Original paint RG with door panel and weather barrier removed. I would say it has pretty decent paint coverage, and the no doubt gray primer does take on a purplish tint
Same door different angle looks grey..BKH

[Day2_69Z]

Is there a suggestion here that the car in question has a full coating of grey primer on its door and maybe not EO ?
Wouldn't the EO fade into the primer more predominantly ?
I see what I believe is primer in non natural light along with alot of yellow then the metallic red.

With the doors off I see alot of DY every where except where the hinges bolt on and none but primer on the bulkhead/cowl area.

Vinyl roof cars as far as I've seen in person with the vinyl stripped off are not full body color.
They seem cut in too the molding trim area and the rest primer. Fisher has welded on the trim studs before leaving there facility.
I have not seen any definitive EO where its supposed to be on a factory paint job.

EO is metallic lacquer finish and has a definite haze per say when you see the over spray fanning out into primer.
I don't see any evidence of this in the pics posted.

I'm not saying it is or isn't EO but I don't see any other evidence to support it either..
If in fact it was a factory EO spray.... it must have been one of the worst paint jobs to come off the line in the door, door jamb area..... there's not enough paint.

Why all the yellow and in a fashion consistent with factory spray techniques of painting the body with doors and deck lid attached.

Any pics exist of the deck lid underside on or off the car ?

[70 copo]

Trim studs were put on right after major body shop activities were completed at FB.

This would have been a paint pot car with lots of human touches so I would expect many non mass production details to emerge associated with paint on this specific vehicle.

[cook_dw]

I wonder if there are any assembly plant workers that remember the car?? Would have been unique coming down the line.

[William]

It's my recollection that the trunk lid either wasn't OE or had been re-painted underneath.

We also didn't see "...any definitive EO where it is supposed to be..." And we actually saw the car.

[clem]

my questions to the doubters out there are. why would I tell the person who called me out of the blue about buying the car a untruth about the color ??? if the expert had not said it was silver would the color be in question?? why does experts opinion hold more influence than the original owner who looked at the car for many months in his garage vs someone who looked at it for 2 hours ??????

[bcmiller]

I would expect better coverage in the area under the door panels on a normal (not hand sprayed) RG or HO car because of the color difference between the main body color and the primer.

Not so much on a special paint car where the body color was close to the primer color.

Oh and I did not originally introduce the photos of the "purplish" color primer on the Hugger Orange car. Just mentioned them again because they seemed to be ignored at first and I felt they were pertinent.

Think about it...and what the preponderance of the evidence showed on the car itself.

It's a special paint car no doubt - so how much does that add value to the car? Hard to say. It may still be a one of one - but Flamingo Silver / Sunset Silver - instead of that other color that keeps getting brought up.

Flamingo Silver / Sunset Silver shows up darker or has more of a purplish tint in some paint chip books (I have more than one book) so I can see how there may have been a misunderstanding.

There is no way to go back and look at the car now to see.

[clem]

since there were only several special paint 69 Z/28 I am sure my Z/28 was the first one the experts ever saw and did not know what they were looking at.

[DW31S]

I don't have a gun in this fight, but I do have a few thoughts that might be pertinent in the discussion. Several years ago, I had an original, unrestored 9800 mile 1972 GS Conv. that I sold to the current owner of the HO Z/28 recently nicknamed "The Truth". That GS was a customer factory order (not a dealer inventory order) that had 31 options including "Special Paint". The car was ordered in a "Riviera Only" color called "Dark Chestnut Poly" that was a 1972 GM color, but not normally available on A-bodies. This GS was painted partially assembled ( more in a second) and had overspray everywhere! The paint was HORRENDOUS but ORIGINAL. The front clip had more overspray than the rest of the car and not surprisingly, it was NOT a perfect color match to the rest of the car. The window sticker did list "Special Paint" as option and the color WAS listed at the bottom, but NOT in the option list area. Knowing the front clips were painted in a different area of the plant explained the mismatched color that was not a normally used hue. Is there a chance the window sticker is available for the Z/28 being discussed here? If so, it would/should help clear up the controversy.
Another observation: Many of you know I'm in the car business and I have discovered something relating to GM's paint. 2007 and 2008 Chevy Tahoes and GMC Yukons painted Dark Blue (don't know the mix code or GM's formal name for that color) have a mismatch problem between the front clip and the rest of the vehicle. I have noticed this on many of these models.
Now why I think these thoughts are relevant:
It is a known fact that '69 Camaros were painted in two sections of the plant (proven by the hockey stick stripe being 1/2 paint-1/2 decal, and that many cars exhibit a noticeable difference in the body alignment of the fender/door match-up). I would tend to think that the car in question here would have a high percentage of the possibility of a mismatch in color between the front clip and the rest of the body due to the Special Paint applied during assembly. Those type colors, the orchids, the silvers, the light blues, basically any light color metallics are tough to match, and unless they are painted together at the same time, usually have a difference in shades. It would be quite helpful to view and scrutinize any original photos of the sides of the car. There are good supporting theories to both sides here, and both sides are considered to be experts in this field. It is tough to argue with the original owner, but I've seen some things in this business/ hobby that are "unexplainable"! And like the old saying goes "There are usually three sides to every story; your's, mine, and somewhere in the middle is the truth".

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">since there were only several special paint 69 Z/28 I am sure my Z/28 was the first one the experts ever saw and did not know what they were looking at. </div></div>

Clem,

I suspect Lillard was on the money several pages back on the thread content on this car being finished as the content is now being actively demagogued along with several straw-man arguments.

IMO...this has little to do with your old car and everything about defending things that were said on other forums about your car in the past...and accordingly I explect a thread lock here to calm the board.

For what is worth I believe you.