GMMG ZL1

[GRB]

I've got a feeling nothing (worthwhile) is going to be warranteed on my car. To me it's kind of like building an 02 hot rod almost from scatch. Anybody that is overly concerned about warranty issues on a 427 02 car probably shouldn't buy it.

[Chevy454]

That's a good point, Charley. I'm sure most of us here have been given the run around from a dealer at one time or another because of a non-factory (read: aftermarket) part on a vehicle when a warrantied part crapped out. This happens every day, but like you said, they have to prove that that part actually lead to a part's demise.

And, as for dad dumping the clutch, wouldn't the old story of "it was Sunday morning and we were headed to church" have fit just perfect! Again, curiosity question: do they all have the Torsen rear, or are some equipped with the Eaton?

[mc25t190]

careful not to wake the guy on the other post! i was offered one because i owned a 1969 ZL1 car #13 cortez silver, but also knew matt murphy. i believe that 4 people currently own both. bill porterfield, ken barnhardt, charlie lillard, kevin hand, any others, i'm not sure.
as you became one to order these cars you were given the option of the stage 1 and stage 2 up front, with popular demand for obvious reasons the stage III became available , but , was very hard for matt ot obtain the engines from chevrolet, at first they were to punch the LS6 motor, but, were able to get chevrolet to produce the blocks made it good for all the owners of the 427's, then off to DEI enterprises.
i feel this move by chevrolet adds validity to their commitment behind the car, why else would chevrolet participate in the high performance end of it. i'm with stefano , COPO, b4c police order, slick top, 427, i'm happy!

[Jeff Murphy]

I think Carl Stuber got both, too. Not sure if he's hanging on to the new one, though.

[mc25t190]

the more the merrier!

[Bigblockhappy]

When you say the phase III has the 427, do you mean a stroked out small block or is it a big block? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

[Stefano]

Actually Neither,it is the C5R "Corvette" race only block.

[Stefano]

Just for conversations sake and the healthy spirit of debate, this Joyous Holiday Season, I would like to mention 'Camaro Performers' Fall 2002 edition, where there is a Red "ZL1" badged 2002 Camaro and the title is "Out With a Bang The '02 ZL1 Does the Legend Right", by Kevin Lee.

"It's always a risky move to badge a new model with a moniker that carried such a high level of esteem, but in this case the new '02 ZL1 just may live up to the ZL1 emblems it carries on its fenders."...........

"Why would GM expend one of its most hallowed nameplates on a warmed over Camaro, I wondered?" (Me too)

So then based on what you are saying , is or isn't this GMMG prototype (to the other 69 GMMG ZL1s built) ZL1 built with GM's approval both expressed and implied. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

[82z96ss]

Only the phase 1 base ZL1 Supercar is authorized by the Chevy Camaro Brand Team or any other GM Engineer as per GMMG invoice.

This is due part by Phase 2/3 not meeting emission recertification test and will NOT be honored by any GM dealership.

So if your getting a Phase 1 your lucky, if not youe is SOL.

Oh well cuz GMMG will be doing the warranties, which I personally feel would take care of problems alot better than my local dealership would.

[sYc]

Stefano; As you say, for debate purposes only, which I feel is very similar to the Douglass debate. Corporate GM did not approve the use of ZL-1. Nor did the Camaro Brand Team (officially). The reason I say officially is because a couple of members of the Camaro Brand Team did lend their support, but not in their official capacities. So I guess I would have to say no, they were not built with GM's approval, either expressed or implied. As with most corporations, GM is always facing liability issues, thus are reluctant to "officially" get involved with projects generated outside of their corporate walls. This has been going on for years. I have heard numerous horror stories from original owners of Yenkos, even 1969s, about the problems of getting dealers and Chevrolet to warranty their cars. I can understand in '67 and '68, but the COPO Yenkos faced the same problems. It took 6 months for the owner of my Yenko Camaro to get a dropped valve fixed at the dealer who sold it to him, Francis Chevrolet in St. Louis. Frank Radake faced the same problem trying to get his Yenko Chevelle fixed under warranty, also at Francis. And, this in spite of all the influence Don had with Chevrolet.