chevelle build sheets

[Steve Shauger]

You still run into rebodied rust buckets and restamped drivetrains. That paperwork only identifies how the car was originally equipped based on the VIN , it in no way documents the cars pedigree. Yes it is great documentation, however it doesn't prove anything in terms of if this car still retains it orig body, or drivetrain. With the paperwork you still could have a clone of an actual car..

[3macs1]

So true Steve. I am more careful looking at canadian cars than US ones.Rebody is very common.There are guys that make their living for 20 plus years now bringing back rust free US shells to canada.I got beat to death on this on another site but was just being honest.On one of the BJ auctions I watched a hemi cuda , that was checked by some expert to be the real deal but she was pulled out of the woods with my truck many years ago for a friend for 1800. he did a unreal job on it with another body and sold it for 50K new owner knowing what it was.Now years later it shows up at BJ as a documented 100% matching number with docs which it was but the body was changed.As you know a hemi is probally one of the hardest to do but not in the hands of someone who knows them.
I look at it two ways.We live in the rust belt so do we scrap a original documented numbers matching rare car or rebody it.Friend just finihed his 70 chevelle only thing original is the roof and the cowl what is she classed as today vs him installing the cowl in a rust free body.Not saying I agree with it but it is real world. I would like to see the guy that would cut up a 70 factory heni 4spd cuda with all docs just because the body it shot.

[x Baldwin Motion]

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THEY ARE MADE TO COMPLEMENT A RESTORATION, JUST AS ANY OTHER REPRODUCTION PART, ........... PLEASE BE WELL INFORMED ON WHAT YOU SAY BEFORE YOU PUT IT IN WRITING........... . JIM CLEMENS - ROCKLEDGE, FL.

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I'll guess he was yelling, that's why the caps lock is on.

I may be old and forgetful but for all the car shows I've been to in my day I've never seen the build sheet as part of a fancy display, maybe tucked away in a binder to show a prospective seller.

To imply that a fake build sheet is part of a restoration (like a pair of dyed seat belts) IS BULL
IT IS USED FOR ONE PRIMARY REASON AND THAT IS TO AUTHENTICATE A VEHICLE. THAT'S MY OPINION. AND I DON'T NEED TO "WELL INFORMED" BY ANYONE'S STANDARDS TO HAVE MY SAY.

You may be a well repected businessman according to some folks, but fake build sheets are counterfeit documents if they are not marked "for display" or the like.
JMHHO

[Verne_Frantz]

Chris, I couldn't agree with you more! Fake paperwork is exactly the same thing as fake cowl tags! (or are the repro cowl tags just "for display purposes only"?)
If he's smart enough to create them, then he's smart enough to know he's selling them to people to commit fraud. Now, I'm no lawyer, but if one sells something that is used to commit fraud, I wonder how a court would view that seller when the poop hits the propeller over a fraudlent sale involving many dollars?
Long ago, when repro cowl tags first showed up on the scene, many people simply viewed them as a "restoration part". Now, we're supposed to believe the smoke and mirrors that original appearing documents are also just another part of a restoration????? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!

Those papers are the birth certificates of the cars we love. They may have survived, or they may not have. Either way, we only have what we have. Recreating new ones to our desire is unethical, and should be illegal.
A person may have been born with with a given name that he doesn't appreciate, so he changes his birth certificate to read Richard Wadsworth, when in reality he was still born a Dick Wad.

Verne

[joey]

I dont agree or disagree with any of you on this subject but if you change a tire, paint, emblem ,carpet or oil filter etc then your car is no longer all original it is however as original same goes for a build sheet say I have a true ls6 and I wanted a build sheet and I had a correct one made there is no difference it is not original but as original in any of the above to me but if I took a x 11 and put a 302 in it and had a z 28 cowl tag made then it would be a like original z28 or clone as most call it I personally would never do this but I know that people do and im not hammering on them my dad all ways told me buyer beware and know what your buying and if I had to rely on a piece of paper to tell me then Im not to smart and I do admire you folks that have the original paperwork by the way but that will never make the deal with me buying your car it will have to do that itself .I am truly a car guy and I buy cars because I like them I have never asked is this car documented before I buy but I do drive em first sorry if my spelling and punctuation is bad but Im just a ordinary joe who happens to own 12 classic cars one for each month of the year and every now and then I will buy one or two and sell em just for the thrill and by the way I have never seen a person stand up at one of my auctions or barrett jacksons and say is this car documented most true buyers are like me if we want it and the price is fair we buy it

[JoeG]

A person may have been born with with a given name that he doesn't appreciate, so he changes his birth certificate to read Richard Wadsworth, when in reality he was still born a Dick Wad.

----Where the hell do you get this stuff.........No more Coke-a-Cola for you...

Verne

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[Kurt S]

There's a big difference between a reproduction part required for the function of the vehicle and a piece of paper that is used to authenticate a vehicle.

[joey]

Like I said if you need a piece of paper to authenticate a car then your in sad shape sure its nice to get paperwork but I don't need any just more to keep up with and no there is no difference in changing emblems seat covers or engine parts with repo parts than there is with having a correct build sheet made I understand that some may use it to falsify a car but I can tell the difference and so should you if your a buyer or collector