1970 CHEVELLE LS6 ON EBAY - Page 2

**rubbinisracing** · #11 08-08-2007, 06:14 PM

If the seller will allow you to not complete the transaction I would go that way. Without a build sheet with the vin or other docs. and NOM you'll never recoup the restoration cost.
If you pay for the car and don't find another build sheet with the vin then I think you should take your lumps and flip the car.
Be patient, there are other project cars avalable with docs.,but be willing to spend 50K for one.

**chads454Ls6** · #12 08-08-2007, 06:19 PM

Rick,i was actually talking to this guy about this car and passed as he was not sure about the trans or rear and sounded like he had the car apart and had recovered the seats and there was not any other paperwork. Les,i hope he told you this when you spoke with him about the car. There could be buildsheets behind the front fenders but that would probably be the only place left. I to went through wisconsin just yesterday and had i known that you purchased this car i could have stopped as well.

**SS427** · #13 08-08-2007, 06:46 PM

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Sorry Les, I did not realize this was the same car that Chad had mentioned to me a while ago. Based on that conversation and other comments I would also consider passing if another sheet cannot be produced from that car to prove it's heritage. It would appear as thought the car has not been very far apart and if that is the case there really should be other sheets in the car. If not I would be rather concerned.

As far as the tach, door panels and some other items being good indicators of an LS-6, if I had $5 for every car that Chad and I looked at over the past several years that fit that scenario but turned out to be bogus I would have his fuel costs covered. I would honestly say 80% of the cars he and I looked at turned out to be fake and this was 3 or more years ago. When you can sell a car for twice the money because of supposed LS-6 heritage people will go to great lengths to fake them.

**427king** · #14 08-08-2007, 07:40 PM

I dont understand why alot of people think its ok to win a car and then inspect it and ask questions later deciding if they want to complete the transaction. Yet when a seller opts to sell to a higher bidder after the auction or decide to keep the car, hed get lambasted by everyone that read the post. Kind of a double standard dont you think?? Unfortunately in this case the buyer couldnt post the auction info on any public site before the auction ended for fear hed warn a few potential bidders,which makes it difficult.

**Xplantdad** · #15 08-08-2007, 07:45 PM

Maybe the seller and Les had an agreed upon arrangement?

**427king** · #16 08-08-2007, 08:06 PM

Bruce, very well could be true in this case. Overall though, it is accepted by many that a potential buyer contact sellers and try to end an auction early [ebay can ban you for this ],Ok to inspect things after already winning them[also not allowed by ebay], yet if a seller has sellers remorse or is told later he sold an item too cheap and wants to default ,all of a sudden people get upset. Just sticking up for the sellers

**69LM1** · #17 08-08-2007, 08:13 PM

Good Point King. I noticed that as well people mentioning not going through with it. I do know Les well, and he is a stand up guy and I am sure will do the right thing.

Also, I really don't think it's that bad a deal. Especially if you are looking for a nice driver and not a 100 point show car. Especially if you can do some things yourself, as I believe that Les can. All in all, I think you can make a driver LS6 out of that car for 30k or thereabouts if you can do some work yourself.

I am still concerned about the buildsheet. Are there any codes on there that would support this being the sheet for this car?

Now, if the sheet were bad (ie some error that would disprove the car belonging to the sheet), then I would think that it would be OK for the buyer to back out, IMHO.

Rich

**427king** · #18 08-08-2007, 08:49 PM

The sheet and the car are for a KC car. The interior 791 is white buckets.The tach is real as well as the buildsheet.Im sure an inspection would show it being a 4 speed car originally Would be nice to see a date or a vin on the BS, but then again cars have been "documented" with alot less than this car has. It would be difficult to match a car and a BS from a white interior KC chevelle,and id say if the vin was on the buildsheet the car would be around 45K or better. Buy it !

**69LM1** · #19 08-08-2007, 09:13 PM

So, if the sheet is real, and the codes match the colors, then I think this was a OK deal, IMHO. Especially if you cannot afford a 80k resored car all in one shot (not saying that is the case with Les, just in general).

Another point is that with a restored car, you never know what "shortcuts" were taken, with a project, if you are looking for a keeper (which I believe that Les is looking to keep the car), then at least with a project you know exactly what you have when completed.

**Late BrakeU2** · #20 08-08-2007, 09:34 PM

45k without the original motor and possibly trans and rear end? Judging from the ladder bars it's been enjoyed before being put back to stock for it's long hibernation. Without paper or motor it could easily be an original 396 car but i'm not sure how one could document anything for certain at this point given what's not present.I would think the pan is as soft as those quarters(NOS one's nearing 3K)and he states it's been parked for nearly thirty years... she's gonna need a big hug.I have to agree with both you and Howard that 50k for one that's all there with ironclad docs is ballpark valuation,but this one does not make economical sense for a top shelf project imo.

On a side note i'm totally convinced at this point that mice obviously know that the upper right corner is the rib- eye of the sheet

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