1970 gto judge ram air IV

[Jeff H]

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I'm sorry, but I just have to say something to DaJudge. Cars are meant to be driven, not trailered, no matter how precious, pristine or rare they are. If you don't drive the car, you're defeating the whole point of owning it. If I had a car somewhat like any of yours, I'd make a point of driving it. If the car was only one of one made, you'd find me driving it. Cars can be replaced and relived, awesome lifetime experiences cannot. I don't know how the rest of you feel, but that's my opinion. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

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I think you would have a different point of view if you had $90K plus and 4+ years into a restoration of a numbers matching car. Yeah, insurance will cover most problems that might happen, but I don't think you'd want to go through the whole thing all over again. The way people drive nowadays, it gets harder and harder to drive any nice vehicle in traffic. You should see what goes on in NJ on the roads. Too many people on cell phones driving oversize SUV's and extended cab pickups that don't pay attention. Then you have the idiot ricer's that think they can drive like the Fast and Furious.

[skierkaj]

I'm sorry, but IMO, you can't worry about all the other drivers. You can't worry about what COULD happen. Like I said before, NO MATTER HOW VALUABLE, I'D STILL DRIVE IT! Sorry to shout, but that's the truth. I wouldn't care if I had over $90K worth into it, I'd still drive the snot out of it. If I put that much money into the car, it's worth being driven. Ok, there would be one or two restrictions, like no driving in the salty Wis. winters, and try not to drive on too many gravel roads, but THAT'S IT! You want to drive it and have fun, but still keep it alive.

[Chevy454]

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The way people drive nowadays, it gets harder and harder to drive any nice vehicle in traffic.

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The traffic is usually pretty light where we drive. It's odd, though...it's always us, and only 1 other car!

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[Charley Lillard]

Skier..I think you might feel differently if you put the amount of effort into a car that some of these have had. I have driven frame off pristine cars and put enough miles on them to where they are no longer Pristine and it is something that gives you very mixed emotions. Alot of what these cars are about is preserving what they were like when new and maybe there will still be some good examples left for the next Generations to see. We will be gone long before these Cars will so really we are just Caretakers for Future Generations. You can drive the Crap out of a Clone and have the same feeling. This is coming from a Guy that drives the Crap out of everything. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Charley.gif[/img]

[MotownMadman]

I rode my Bike to Trailer Week........
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[micky69396]

Keep driving these cars eventually they need redone and thats called job security for me,,lol [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

[Steve_Hoog]

A whole bunch more jaw flappin has gone on in here while I was at Church.

What I appreciate, people like Mike who can have a simple disscussion with an open mind. He wasn't trying to ram Jim Wanger of Pete down my thoat, the guy was actually trying to help. The truth is all I'm after, and I mean the exact truth. This does not mean Pete, Jim's, or Joe Bob's opinion.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Jim M worked for Chevy, Jim W left an advertising agency in 69 that contracted with Pontiac, and Pete worked for a phone company? Is that right? So neither of these guys were around Pontiac when the controversial car was actually built, interesting. And neither of them actually ever worked for Pontiac, wow!!!! Is that a shocker if my information is correct.

Last Winter Jim W was in Tulsa, and made a trip to Gary's house. Gary is the owner of the Judge in question. Gary probably has a dozen 69 TA's, with 4 in is top shelf garage. 2=RA, 1=RAIV, 1=RAV. The hood was up on the RAV, and Gary asked Jim "what do you think of that motor?" and Jim replied "well, what is it?" Ok, something is wrong with that. By the way; this TA has cast iron manifolds, so make the count two if anyone was counting those.

Where are the engineering logs?

Dajudge... your car is to good for a grudge match on the track, no problem. Change your mind or get another car, bring it on.

[Steve_Hoog]

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[mrmuscle]

i had assumed all along that the car (one of them) in question belonged to gary. as for driving rare cars, i was at a all pontiac drag and car show a few years back and watched gary get booed by a bunch of "enthusiasts" for smoking his tires all the way down the track in a true documented frame off totally restored 69 trans am convertible. it was one of the coolest things i have ever seen. (anyone get a video of that). i know a guy who knows him and he said he had a few friends over and they took the trans am convertible out and took turns doing burnoffs and seeing who could get the longest second gear rubber in it. i am surprised he let jim wangers come over. i have heard he has a select few friends that ever get to see any of his cars.

[Steve_Hoog]

HAHA you don't know how true that is... Gary also has a dozen or so 71 Judges, one of them is a documented 4 speed convertable. I've seen him burning the **** out of those tires and even cutting a donut.