Barrett Jackson COPO Camaro

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What's the difference between a rebody and a retag-car?

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Rebody; Putting a different body around a tag or tags.

ReTag; Installing tag or tags on a body they don't belong on.

Any difference?

[StealthBird]

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I think it's pretty dispicable that they & others keep bringing up the.."C'mon it's for the children" charity statement.
Of course it's appreciated,but when you try to achieve that by using underhanded tactics like CJ & his crew do to raise that money,it completely diminishes the spirit of which it should be donated in the first place.
It's as if they look like that if they keep reminding everyone about charity,even they themselves will begin to believe it.
Quit hiding behind charity,and use it to justify what you really do,and then take credit for it Craig..

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Did anyone catch the unbelievable comment that was made when the Tony Stewart car was up on the block? The auctioneer introduced Darryl Gwynn, and he said, "Darryl, we love ya, we appreciate ya, we thank you, we thank God for you, and as much as I hate to say it, I thank God for the accident you had."



I knew what he meant, but what a horrible way to say it.

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This car isn't a rebody, it is a complete reconstruction.

The best definition of a rebody I have ever read comes from the 4th edition of SAAC World Registry of Cobras and GT40's (page 30). "Original/Rebodied A car having more than 50% of its original substructure or bodywork replaced, but not the main frame tubes or pieces carrying the serial stampings."

According to SAAC, an Air Car is a car built from scratch, starting out with no pieces carrying the original serial number stampings, and with no legitimate paperwork. An Air car has no claim to that VIN, either by legal ownership of major parts or paperwork.

A Reconstruction on the other hand, is a car that has been rebuilt substantially to original specifications (including replacement of main substructure or frame) but where some part of the original car existed prior to rebuild; also documentation paperwork exists (i.e. traceable bill of sale, title, registration, etc.).

If this ZL1 were a Shelby, it would likely be considered an "Air Car" or a "Reconstruction" depending on the proof of VIN plate and paperwork.

[Jim Ferron]

I was at Carlisle spring auction..It was spring of 2007.

Guy was selling a ZL-1 'clone' Gorgeous car.

It was touted as having one of the original 69 Numbered blocks in the car.

It didn't sell as I remember...did $110,000.

Anyone know the car?

Anyway, what is worth more..a real ZL-1 vin tag or a real VINed ZL-1 engine [assuming the original bodies are both crushed and gone..]

Figure a gorgeous restored 'clone' body is worth less than $100,000.

What do want to add the real vin or the real engine....

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Anyway, what is worth more..a real ZL-1 vin tag or a real VINed ZL-1 engine [assuming the original bodies are both crushed and gone..]

The "clone" with the real ZL-1 motor, IMHO is an Air Car with no legit claim to the VIN, the person with the VIN Tag, Title, and documentation for the original ZL-1 owns a Reconstruction- worth more than a clone but certainly much less than an original restored car.

Figure a gorgeous restored 'clone' body is worth less than $100,000.

What do want to add the real vin or the real engine....

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[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

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What do want to add the real vin or the real engine....

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An honest representation thats all

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What do want to add the real vin or the real engine....

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An honest representation thats all

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AMEN Carl!

[Steve Shauger]

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As far as the shill bidding, I'm a car dealer by trade. I go to wholesale auctions weekly. Shill bidding is as common as a cup of bad coffee.It happens on , I'd bet 70% of all cars thru a wholesale auction. If the seller won't sell the car under, say, $10,000 , the auctioneer runs the car there [$9900] with or without a 'real' bidder. Next 'real' bid buys the car. [these are NOT 'no reserve' auctions..]

Yeah if I was the buyer I'd be pissed off Reggie was a seemingly obvious shill for the owner...but that's the way auctions are. It can be a really lousy place to buy a car...wholesale or retail.

I personally wouldn't get NEAR a collector car at an auction without superior knowledge about a car...

Maybe the buyer knew exactly what he was doing...he paid the premium to be on TV.



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Shill bidding is part of the sellers agreement at Russo Steele Reserve Auction as explained by Drew last Feb:


"Advancement of Bidding: RS retains the right to advance the bidding up to, but not in excess of, the Reserve, as agent for the Seller. RS further reserves the right, at its sole discretion, to Sell the Vehicle at a high bid price less than that price identified as the “Reserve Price,” provided that RS nets the Seller the specified reserve amount less all-applicable sales commissions and fees.


This clause is clearly stated in Russo and Steele’s Consignment Agreement under section 8, d.

Drew Alcazar"

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Paceme,

That is exactly what happened with my '69 L78 Camaro SS convertible that I consigned with Russo & Steele in their inaugural event at the Marriot Hotel in Monterey in 2001. I set the reserve at $70K, the high bid went to $71K, Drew called it sold, even though with their commission taken out the net amount to me as owner would be less than I set the reserve at. Russo & Steele forego their sellers fee and collected only the buyers portion. I netted $70,200 to me from that auction.

[Jim Ferron]

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What do want to add the real vin or the real engine....

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An honest representation thats all

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Remember when 'numbers matching' meant something... Now you re-stamp a block and it's numbers matching...and it is, Certainly the buyer is lead to believe it was the original 'born with' engine..which it is not.

'born with' means what 'numbers matching' used to mean...

But just look at the Camaro in the cars for sale section ..Posters here had to inform the seller it had a obvious re-pop trim tag..[pretty obvious too] Poor seller said he knew nothing..and I'd bet he is being honest...If he knew it was a re-pop certainly he wouldn't post a pic of it here.

So he was being honest as far as he could tell.

Ignorance just perpertuates falsehoods..

And don't even start me on the sellers who don't know what 'survivor' means...