E-Bay '69 Yenko Disguised As a Z-28 Clone!

[COPO140]

Jim (al8apex),
What is wrong with my request? Bergy made the statement that a large percentage of his car is 616414 so its reasonable to ask why he is stating that. Apparently Bergy has found some additional info about the car beyond the things he has listed. If he has not, why would such a statement be made? The whole idea behind this thread is to get to the truth about the car. NONE of my requests have been out of line or unreasonable, period.

[70ChevyGuy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vfitom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Re post #435631, 2nd paragraph: why I will not talk on the phone is because I do not totally trust Bergy, and also because I was asked by Bergy the following in an email, &quot;Do you recall offering to sell the car to anyone after you looked at it?&quot; Well, I never owned the car to sell it; I never offered it for sale as a whole or in an envelope afterwards; I never even knew about the envelope story until this thread came about. When I asked 6 questions about the envelope sale issue, I never received any answers from Bergy. But yet he wants all info from me..not gonna happen now.......and...<span style="font-weight: bold">I think someone is confusing me with someone else and I know exactly why and can prove it, but it will get other people involved and I do not want to go there.</span> The element of trust is missing here and that is why I am mysterious. I'm sorry now that I even offered info in the first place, since it led to personal attacks on me. I'd like to know about the huge percentage also as requested above...BTW: PennDot records only go back 10 years, and from what I was told the microfische was also scuttled.

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This sure is interesting and I don't have a dog in the fight whatsoever. Are you you suggesting you can prove why you are being confused with someone else? I am just asking for clarification.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

&quot;BTW: PennDot records only go back 10 years, and from what I was told the microfische was also scuttled. &quot;

When using the DL-135 form from the PA-DMV, you can check the box for a Title History. If the history is older than 10 years, they will 'usually' search the fiche. If a record is found, you will receive a Vehicle Record Abstract. There are certain fiche records that are indeed gone, reportedly from a flood.

I'm impressed that Bergy has someone from the PA-DMV calling him, I've never been that successfull - nor with such quick turn around times!

[Dave Rifkin]

You guys kill me; the majority of people who have posted on this thread act as if Bergy owes you some sort of justification regarding <span style="font-weight: bold">HIS</span> car. As far as I can see he has been more than patient with many of you considering the undertones of what some have said.

Bergy keep digging for the truth, I surely hope this car turns out to be what you suspect it is. As you have made clear to everyone here; you buy these cars for the enjoyment and part of your fun is doing the research. I would ignore the naysayers; as far as I can tell you don't owe anyone a thing.

I'm sure I will get flamed for this post but, I am getting tired of seeing you get beat up over something that is no ones' business but your own.

[1969z280]

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[427.060]

Dave, I see no reason for you to get flamed. I agree with you. Given all the negativity, Bergy has posted WAY more info than I would have.
James

[talwell]

vfitom-

As a member of this community you should be freely forth coming with any information that you have in regards to this car. I dont in my opinion feel that bergy should have to pass some litman's test that you have designated in regards to a car that he rightfully owns regardless of the history of it or how it got to this point.

I think all of us need to look at the objective of Yenko.net. In my eyes we are all here to share information, knowledge, history, facts, or just a common general interest in the muscle cars of the late 60's and early 70's, With this being said, I dont think that any member should come here with a potential level of knowledge regarding a vehicle of discussion and expect anything more than a thank you from anyone that can use that knowledge to thier's or all our benefit. Noone should have to earn access to any information or be held at bay with a carrot dangling in thier face of supposed information that will only be provided based on the knowledge owner's decision. If you come here without the free will and desire to openly share knowledge, hold open and fruitful discussion, share memories or even just express your desire to gain knowledge I think I speak for many to say you may very well not be welcome in this open forum. This applies to anyone that fits this category of one sided membership and forum participation.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Rifkin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys kill me; the majority of people who have posted on this thread act as if Bergy owes you some sort of justification regarding <span style="font-weight: bold">HIS</span> car. As far as I can see he has been more than patient with many of you considering the undertones of what some have said.

Bergy keep digging for the truth, I surely hope this car turns out to be what you suspect it is. As you have made clear to everyone here; you buy these cars for the enjoyment and part of your fun is doing the research. I would ignore the naysayers; as far as I can tell you don't owe anyone a thing.

I'm sure I will get flamed for this post but, I am getting tired of seeing you get beat up over something that is no ones' business but your own.

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I don't think anyone is out to get Bergy personally here, but he has made statements based on circumstantial observations, other people's recollections, etc... that many are simply asking to be backed up. Its not complicated, and in the end the car will be the final spokesperson. We've seen many a car like this one turn out with some fantastic tale that somehow justifies some type of integrity, next thing ya know tags and stampings appear.

So, I think Bergy wants the car to retain as much integrity as possible, the best way to do that is by doing the three things right: 1. discussing the car in the open, before the story is fully know - can be a bit painful as we all go through the maze, but it will be better in the long run. 2. finding out the word of mouth story, even the inconsistencies. 3. eventually will take the car apart and photo it.

[bergy]

COPO140 - Re-read your own posts. You went from saying that the car had &quot;a few bolt on items&quot;, to possibly a &quot;sub frame&quot;, to &quot;possibly some sheet metal&quot;. You've acknowledged all of these possibilities yourself (and you aren't even the one doing the research).

Marlin - you get a lot more cooperation at DMV if you're researching cars that you actually own. Also, you have to pay for every record. If you send in $5.00, you get one record.

vfitom - You have 25 years with the PA State Police - many of us consider you a hero (including me)! Get your courage up man. Since you have disclosed info from our personal email conversation - you're email statements indicate that you are obviously afraid to disclose information because people &quot;in the know&quot; are mad about the envelope story disclosure. You've indicated to me that the owners of #616414 in 2000 made statements that &quot;led you to a junkyard (in a round about way)&quot;. You have also indicated that there was another &quot;Tom&quot; present during your 2000 inspection and he may have been the source of the envelope story. Come on man - we're on the 24th page of this stinkin' thread! What are you waiting for - tell what you know.

To all - It's pretty obvious that this is a BLOOD SPORT (not a hobby). When a guy like vfitom is intimidated - wow.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To all - It's pretty obvious that this is a BLOOD SPORT (not a hobby). When a guy like vfitom is intimidated - wow. </div></div>

Did you check the trunk for Jimmy Hoffa's skeleton yet?

Seriously, what's with all the Super Secret Squirrel action? Is somebody going to get whacked? It either is a Yenko or it isnt, but nobody is gonna know for sure until all the info is out in the open.