russo and steel chop job camaro copo

[Belair62]

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Good thing you CANT change my post without it showing Belair62 as being the one who edited it. You gotta work on that. But I truly do think you are the coolest guy alive.

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Aww shucks

[Paul D]

This has been one of most informative and revealing threads I've seen. This forum is amazing.

One thing that I think would be a step in the right direction is if the Auction House required a signed disclose statement from the seller with question such as:

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Do you certify that your consignent has the original factory installed numbers correct engine, transmission, and rear end?

If no, list major driveline components that you certify ARE original factory installed (e.g. block, heads, transmission, rear end housing,etc).

Do you certify that your consignent has the original factory body and interior?

If no, list major body and interior components that you certify ARE original factory installed, (e.g. glass, seats cover, headliner, door panels, sheet metal, floor panels, frame, paint, wheels, etc.)?

Do you certify that the miles shown on the odometer are correct for your consignment?

Do you certify that your consignment is free of material hidden defects?

If no, list material hidden defects that you are aware of (e.g. restamped engine, rebody, partial rebody, previous crash damage, corrosion, etc.).

Do you certify that all documentation supplied with your consignment is factory original?

If not, list all documentation that you certify ARE factory original (e.g. window sticker, build sheet, etc.).

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I'm sure there's a lot better way to word a disclose statement than I just reeled off, but why can't the Auction House get a little more "seller skin" in the came. I would think that honest sellers with great cars would get higher bids on a car that they certify the components that are original and authentic.

[427king]

I see you learned how to check the "not show post edited" box,boy i have to learn to not give you clues. You are a wonderful little gnome.

[PhilS]

This is a little late but here goes. I bought this car in about '95 from Frank Macri of Toronto. I flew there and examined the car myself. Frank showed me pictures of supposedly this car during resto. Quarters were replaced, the decklid was sprung correctly for spoiler, a dated BE was present, correct leafs which had been heated and bent to lower the car, plate for exhaust hanger present, tunnel cut for auto and I think the nuts were there for the console, I think the firewall was for an auto also, the numbers were there on the cowl, wrong trans, wrong engine was a 2 bolt 512 which was vin stamped on the pad, carb was right, so was dist, intake, aircleaner unit and more. The trim tag looked right and was the correct info for this car. The resto was mediocre but it was a very rare car and could be bought for less than a resto at that time. I had another COPO needing resto but wanted one to enjoy at the time. Frank explained that the reason the quarters were replaced was because of damage related to drag racing and that the car was not rusty.
I finished my other COPO in about '03 and decided to sell the silver car. When Mark made me aware of the stories about this car I immediately took it off the market and tried to reach Frank Macri. I left messages with no response but finally caught him one day. He claimed that he was not the Frank Macri I was looking for and that he knew nothing of any Camaro. Maybe there are two Frank Macris in Toronto. At that point I decided to just sell the car as a car with stories and that is how I represented it. It was priced accordingly.
I don't think that it has been proved that this car is a rebody. It may very well be but more investigation is needed. Only Frank Macri knows all the truth and if any real wrong has been done it was done by him.

Thanks

Phil Silva 972-345-9604

PS If you know Frank please give him my number, I'd really like to talk to him.

[trueLS6]

Unfortunately ALL auction companies hide behind the vail of we present the cars and it's up to you to determine the authenticity which is extremely tough given the circumstances of the auction environment. They all do more harm than good in falsely inflating prices and "representing" real cars but when you get stuck "oh well you should have been more careful". I quickly learned that these auctions are not the place to buy true top shelf cars because it falls back on being a business first and not the advocate someone who's spending 250k to 500k on a car needs.

I wish you luck, but having looked at all their contracts thoroughly I feel you may be throwing more bad money at an already bad event.

Steve

70 LS6 Chevelle
69 COPO Coupe
68 Shelby KR Convert
68 Shelby KR fastback

[HiHorse]

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I don't think that it has been proved that this car is a rebody. It may very well be but more investigation is needed.

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Thanks Phil, We have to give Mr. Macri the benefit of the doubt, because there is no proof, and so far its been hearsay.

[67BelAir427]

$20 and the VIN will get you the vehicle history going back 25 years in Ontario. Why not talk to the owner prior to Mr. Macri and find out the real condition and history of the car?

[Racefan]

Just curious, but when you heard of the "stories" regarding the car...did you check any of the hidden VINs?

That may have helped many people along the way as this car has been passed along with no one apparently "doing thier diligence" as was suggested the buyer at R&S should have done? Not being critical.....and I do understand that hindsight is 20/20.

[camaromb]

When I discussed the car with Phil he did tell me he found evidence of welding around the firewall vin areas. The car was priced accordingly by Phil when he sold it. It is unfortunate that anyone should unknowingly buy a car with potentially serious issues such as rebody/vin swapping. Most of these issues are not obvious and depending on the restoration level some may be totally undetectable.
Mark Bulaw

[joey]

re body , clone, non original motor trans its all the same old sh** ,auction cars are auction cars and collectibles are collectibles . If you buy a car at a auction then pay up and don't be a cry baby because you did not know about the car and go posting to the world just how dumb you are . Be a man and go talk to the auction company in person and if you don't get justice in you eyes the go hire another crook oops I meant a lawyer to settle your case. Sure everyone wants to make money on every deal they make but that is just impossible .Take the good with the bad and go on. How would you folks like it if every time you bought a car at a bargain the person that sold it to you came on here crying and announcing to the world how you cheated them out of there worthless 10k car last week that you now want 50k for it ? Just read this and think about it for a while!