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Old 10-16-2014, 05:16 PM
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Default Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.

I just checked my trim tag, it is 314XXXf. The tag in question is almost 30,000 orders later. It's a mystery I tell you!
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Old 10-16-2014, 07:10 PM
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Default Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.

I don't know why.
It's a repro - those #'s should not be on an 03A tag.
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Old 10-16-2014, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know why.
It's a repro - those #'s should not be on an 03A tag. </div></div>

Somebody find the owner of this race car and ask him why he put a reproduction tag on this car...
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Old 10-16-2014, 08:03 PM
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Default Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.

In all seriousness do we even know the build date for sure on the TT?

It is likely original BTW
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Old 10-16-2014, 10:36 PM
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Default Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.

Kurt are you saying the tag is a repop? I thought it was good?
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:06 AM
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Default Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.

Ok let's solve this one. You body numbers guys...

We have what looks like an 03-A tag and a body number 346182 which is more like an 06-B or slightly later body number right?

Below is a 1969 NOR Fisher Body IBM Punch card template. All of the build information was punched onto cards just like this by GM employees with the job title &quot;keypuncher&quot;

These cards were later processed in stacks through the IBM model 360 computer which triggered the creation of things like the Body plate which we call the &quot;trim tag&quot;

Key punchers could make mistakes and did.

Now that number that is giving some of you fits... lets just assume the keypuncher hit one wrong key and hit a 3 instead of a 2 and presto... the tag becomes legit and falls right in where it should be as 246182 is right where it should be for 03-A build. Mystery solved.
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.

I guess I should check in more often. I have no &quot;story&quot; for why the numbers are as they are. Did somebody miss enter a digit during data entry? Were these things proof read for accuracy ? I don't know. Who knows how this stuff happens, but there has to be some basic human error involved and a reasonable explanation. It's not like these cars haven't seen their fair share of mistakes during production. This car came from the second owner who has owned it since 1970 and he raced it nearly to the grave with zero interest in numbers. The car came out of 25+ years of storage in a farm machine shed under an inch of dust. Do I think it's been screwed with ? No, I don't. Can I explain it ? No I can't. The tag is GM issue and has never been off the car, hell - there is still dum dum in the one rivet. I'm amazed it wasn't shaken out after looking at how bad this body is stressed. Repro ? Jeez, you'd think a little more care would be taken when getting a repro made. Instead of just declaring it fake because it's not normal, how about we try and figure out how a mistake like this could have happened and maybe advance the understanding of this hobby ? I'm not an idiot, and I know you see &quot;Novice&quot; and only a few posts by my name, please look me up I'm member #77, I'm not a newbie, I'm a charter member and I'm hardly naïve enough to try and pass this through this shark tank, especially over this hulk. Had I noticed the body number issue, I sure as hell wouldn't have advertised it here. All I can say is that there has to be a reasonable and logical explanation, so lets put our experience to use and find it. I have no reason to believe it's not legit, but some sort of mistake. This is a $5,000.00 hulk, not a JL-8 car headed to B.J. It's hardly a car worth faking.
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Old 10-17-2014, 02:01 AM
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Default Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.

70COPO - I was typing while you posted and I felt I should leave what I typed as is. Thank You for digging deeper into this, I learned more about the process and I appreciate that. I knew that there had to be a simple and reasonable answer.
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Old 10-17-2014, 02:18 AM
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You are welcome. All I did was develop a theory - and then spoke to the guy who ran the data systems and followed up with a key puncher to validate.
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Old 10-17-2014, 03:02 AM
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Default Re: "Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.

If you don't mind, what is the vin? Does it fit with an 03A build or something later? I thought the tag looked good. We will figure it out!
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