1970 gto judge ram air IV

[sixtiesmuscle]

First, my apologies for this non Chevy supercar related thread.You mean ONLY twenty years don't you Don. Just kidding. Heck, you kids need to remember "never say never". I tend to agree with Belair on this one. Although memories get fuzzy, Bill Knafel could have received the one & only RA V from the factory, and, nobody else could have known about it but he and Delorean. He claims he DID. I know he received a car I own with some "special" treatments, including no seam sealer or other weight adding items that "couldn't" be deleted. Acording to Arlen Vanke who wrenched on this car from day one, it arrived from Pontiac with an engine built by Pontiac engineering, with a one off intake manifold. This RA IV ran 12 flat, with an occasional high 11. Not bad for 400 C.I./376 horse, close to two ton car.
My point is, with that kind of performance, Knafel, as far as dealers, was the standard bearer for Pontiac. To think that he could get anything he wanted is reasonable.
I realize that official records may not show a RA V delivered from the factory, but, strange things happened that were "off the books" back then.

[GTO_DON]

HEY MIKE, NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR A RAM IV! ALL THE CHEVY GUYS ARE STARTING TO SEE THE LIGHT. ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE RAIV. NOW IM KIDDING! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] I AGREE THAT WITH PONTIACS,NOTHING IS ETCHED IN STONE. BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE ARE NO FACTORY RA V GTO'S IN 1970. THEY DEVELOPED THE 303 CUBIC INCH RA V FOR THE TRANS AM. IN 69 THE 400 RA V WOULDN'T STAY TOGETHER. CASE IN POINT ,LOOK AT THE CRYSTAL TURQUIOSE 69 BOBCAT CAR, IT WAS A RAIV AND THEY PUT A V IN IT AND IT BLEW UP LEFT AND RIGHT. THE TIN INDIAN YOU HAVE IS A IV CAR,RIGHT? AND BESWICKS CAR IS A IV ALSO. ANYWAY ITS GOOD TALKING WITH YOU MIKE,NOW LETS START TALKING YENKO'S AGAIN! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img] BY THE WAY ITS BEEN 25 YEARS [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

[Astock]

MikeG,
It's listed on the PHS invoice second from the bottom as Spec Perf $280. And the last item on the invoice is just an amount of $52 without discription, just the code. Keep in mind, this is in addition to RA 3 Judge package $300(ballpark) and RA 4 $300 (ballpark). I'm more than happy to take Don's money. And you are right, Mike. Knafle was able to get some really odd ball stuff. Bill Knafle and his son spent a lot of time and effort trying to locate this car. If I would have known that, I would have sold them the car.

[DaJudge]

I have to agree with GTODON. The RA V was first made in 69 for the Trans Am to compete in the Trans Am racing series where as you Chevy guys know the CID limit was 305.The 400 CID version was to see street use in the GTO but was stopped by management. Many sources including Paul Zazarine and Tom DeMauro have stated that no Ram Air V engines where factory installed. Ram Air V's were counter motors and if any found there way between the fenderwells they were dealer installed. The most famous RA V GTO is the 1969 Royal Bobcat GTO which was Crystal Turquois with white stripes. Could Knaefel and Royal get these motors absulutely yes, did they sell a few, more then likely. But just like Motion cars without the proper paperwork to back up the work, talk is cheap. The spec perf option that you list as a $280 option I would slide the decimal over to the left because for about $2.80 you could step up to 4:33 gears in a GTO. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/[/img]

[JoeG]

This was a good segment------------- web page

[DaJudge]

Thanks !!! Enough said [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

RAIV King

[sixtiesmuscle]

For sure. If it's on My Classic Car, It MUST be accurate.

[JoeC]

I bought some parts and in the pile was some interesting Pontiac parts. There are two old RAM AIR IV decals and 455 HO decals along with a crazy looking FI unit. They came from a "old drag racer" I was told. The decals look old.
see attch

[JoeC]

close up of decals

[skierkaj]

I'm not sure I like the crazy bubbly letters. Kind of looks disco-ish!