High 69 Z-28 cross ram prices coming to an end??

[TDW]

Charley...I was at Als place a little while back.Just before he took the car to the auction. It has a crossram on it now. I took a picture of it.

[juliosz]

Interesting, this showed up in one of Heartbeat Jim's auctions for two crossram carbs on Ebay:
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HEARTBEAT CITY CURRENTLY OWNS THE ORIGINAL TOOLING AND MOLDS/Patterns to the Original Crossram intake manifold. This would be the same tool used to make the intake manufactured in 1969. This is NOT anything like the pieces recently advertised on ebay with welded on part numbers and snowflakes and who knows what other customizing has been done to them.

Heartbeat City is 1-2 weeks away from having intakes available here on ebay. They will be sold complete with carbs and air cleaners. Every single part to mount them and run them will be included. STAY TUNED! THEY WILL BE ON EBAY WHEN THEY'RE AVAILABLE.


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Anybody see one yet?

[Jeff H]

Somebody else is running an auction with brand new crossrams and he even shows the manifold parts coming out of the mold. They use the casting # and Winter's snowflake as well. I think people will still pay high prices for original GM stuff knowing what it is.

[Charley Lillard]

Two years from now, how are you going to be able to tell a repo made from the orig molds vs a orig one? If they are done from the orig molds and done correctly I think they will have a big effect on value.

[Jeff H]

If the new ones have 1968 or 1969 dates cast into them I would think that they would need to be sold as reproduction manifolds because if you sold one as an original GM dated manifold it would be fraud. If someone offered to sell you a crossram manifold for $2500 I would tend to think it wasn't an original GM manifold. I'm sure there will be differences in the aluminum itself as well. We can only hope there is still a way to tell original GM manifolds from these new manifolds.

[Stuart Adams]

What is the fuss with these manifolds? Someone please clarify for me. Did these manifolds come from the factory on the car and are the cars coded for that or were these put on by the dealer with an invoice? If the car has POP or some documentation from the factory, then I think there is value to making the motor correct as the factory did, but if not, its neat to have one on the car but I can't see where it adds the money they want for them. Now four way discs are way cool, but an intake manifold, set me straight. No disrespect, just confused.

[Jeff H]

You don't think factory performance parts are cool? Factory offered headers, off-road cam, crossram setup, transistor ignition, etc. They are all neat because they were offered by GM. Ford did the same thing with the cross-boss setup. AMC actually used an Edelbrock manifold I believe. I can see people paying for original performance parts, it's the people paying $1500 for a set of door sill plates that I don't understand. But it all comes down to suppyly and demand regardless of what type of part it is. Restoring a car with correct or appropriate parts has become a huge hobby. I thought crossrams were overpriced at $5000 but then people kept paying more and more. Never doubt a person's desire to restore their car the way they want.

[Stuart Adams]

I never in my post said factory performance parts aern't cool. I love performance enhancement. Were these manifolds performance enhancers, I've read were they were a pain in the butt to run and never worked as should. Nothing against what people put on cars but these manifolds seem less about performance than looks.
I never doubted the way a person restores their car, just looking for clarification as to if these were factory or dealer installed. Good luck with your project.

[Jeff H]

They were dyno proven to add 25 hp so that's a decent improvement. Obviously they were designed to add hp in the upper rpm range where the roadrace cars spent most of their time so a crossram on a drag car was not a good idea. I know quite a few guys running the crossram and have no problems after some tuning and setup. That's true of any carb/intake change. But if you had to drive your Z28 to work in the snow, a crossram would not be a good idea. To most people it's just a really cool looking performance piece to put on your engine.

[Stuart Adams]

I agree, they are cool. Post some pics when your car is done.