Is this a War or not? Something to think about?

[RYCKR69]

A Quote by Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

[Kim_Howie]

GREAT SAYING

[Chris396]

It's only a matter of time before someone detonates a nuclear weapon and takes out a city or more in America before we will really get serious. That is the way people are. We wait until disaster strikes and then run around saying, "why did this happen? Why didn't we do anything?”

[GOAT72]

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We've taken on a poorly conceived, minimally planned and funded war to Iraq. Most high school social studies teachers knew that Saddam was true only to Saddam, and held no real appeal or support for Muslim zealots. He was a threat to his people to be sure, and our country was largely responsible for putting him into power, but this was the wrong time to put him to bed.


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Tom's statement says it all. (IMHO)
Saddam was out for Saddam.
As brutal a dictator he was, I think we are seeing, first hand, the reasons he ruled like he did.
He had to squash insurgents and instill fear into the masses.
Why?
Because it's the only thing they understand.

Do you think we should continue this madness of sending our bright young guys into towns and going door-to-door?
We could do this for decades and they'd still be killing our kids. Remember that N/ Vietnam fought the French for years before we showed-up. Small countries have figured out that we will back off if we sustain enough losses over a long term war in which it's hard for us to identify the true enemy.

I shudder to think of what a young US Marine goes through in the course of his/her day when EVERY person on the street is his/her potential killer.

We should train their security forces, help them with their Jan. elections and then high-tail it outa there forever!


I'm one of those who feels it's time to lock-down our borders and start pulling our troops off foreign soil. I also believe we need to trim our foreign aid WAY down. Canada seems to be doing very well (except for the border situation). I say we follow that philosophy.

N. Korea wants us out, Germany wants us gone. There are many others. Let's give 'em what they want and pull out. Bring our kids home and make it REAL hard to get into the US.

Just my $.02

Mac

[Pantera]

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N. Korea wants us out, Germany wants us gone. There are many others. Let's give 'em what they want and pull out. Bring our kids home and make it REAL hard to get into the US.

Just my $.02

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I have to agree with that whole heartly. I would like to ad one thought to this and there are some great thoughts from you guys on this subject.

I agree we will never see a end of this type of war. The best and only chance we have is education and to set an example of freedom for all to see. We do a pretty good job so far of showing what freedom really is. If we can stay long enough in Irag for the little people there to get a first hand view of freedom in action then perhaps it will do the same as it did in this country and they will seek it for themselves. The best teacher of anything is by example and offering your hand out to those that are down.

Bush or Kerry? I think that they are just men and as such will do what they think best. Will we agree with what they do? Usually not and then sometimes we do. Think back and you will see that it has always been the same with every president. I have been watching them for about 50 years now and nobody ever seems to agree with what the pres does. All we can hope for is one that does something postive. I like a man that does what he thinks will work. The mark of a real man is one that admidts it and trys to correct what he did wrong.

John F Kennedy was just running when I was old enough to start to understand what the process was. Since then we have loved some of them and hated the rest. such is life. I even liked Nixion. But at least he DID something good for all mankind. So this year will be the hardest election for me. I like each of them. I really do.


I would rather go back to searching out the owner of my '69 vette when it was new. So best of luck to them both. I am sure the world will continue tomorrow. Just wait and see..!