Motion Nova ???????

I'm just curious about this car now that its been brought up. Has Joel ever said its definitely Not a motion car or conversion.
I know a few people have spoken with Joel about this car. I know he has his issues with Dan, but I have never heard anyone say JR said it is Not a motion car. And hey I'm just saying maybe that leaves the door open for a owner down the road that finds proper Docs to have it certified.

[luzl78]

Bit by bit the details will come forth.

I believe so, but I know a lot of people over the years have talked to JR about this car. I'm just curious if he has ever said a definite NO to anyone about this car.

[luzl78]

Dan rubbed him wrong somehow and if it is the first 68 motion nova he was not gonna let Dan have the documentation for a $100,000-150,000 rare Motion.

[Charley Lillard]

What makes the car worth 100-150K ? It sounds like a non Baldwin car that was brought to Motion after the fact. Are any after the fact cars bringing that kind of money ?

[mike_c]

Ok here's my 2 cents worth, I did speak to Joel, he made it clear he had no interest in discussing the car or the person that owned it prior to me in any way shape or form. He also made it clear that everything he had heard prior to me calling on the car and what he had for records NO WAY tied the car to Motion performance. he further stated that he would NEVER be involved with anything concerning this car... BTW that information was given to Barry prior to him agreeing to purchase the car from me.

a lot of the information I was given concerning the car didn't match what I saw in person once receiving the car....

I tried a NOS set of corvette side pipe covers on to see if they any way matched the holes in the rockers, there was no way to make them match but the holes do match the factory rocker molding which by the way do not have any other holes drilled in them.

The brake booster and master cylinder numbers and front disc brake parts came back to a 1969 Chevelle and from what I have been told they would have been installed on a car not counter parts based on all the numbers, that also did not match the story I was given about the brake system being converted when new...

There was something under the cowl panel that I couldn't tell for sure what it was, I had a body man with 30 years experience that restores classics look at it too. he too could not tell for sure, he did say it could be very old compound or over spray. his opinion was the only way to tell for sure would be to have a lab test it, but compound could also have signs of old pain in it too...there were no other signs of any strip or much else since all was long gone and parts left were old and rusty!!!

I was told by two separate employees of the NJ DMV on phone conversations that they did have the information in research area for vehicles of this age, so I did send a request with funds to NJ to see if they could give me registration history since there is a loop hole in there system that will allow them to release that information if it is for research only use.

I received a response from them TODAY that stated they had NO HISTORY on this vehicles vin number., so I assumption after today is that something's don't add up about it.

Its also very funny that Dan called me today stating he is working with Barry to get the car certified, and he got very mad and hung up when I told him what both JOEL, NJ DNV stated and that Barry said Dan was stalking him now during my last conversation with him a couple of weeks ago..

I don't think there would be any way to tell for sure, but it is a body with some parts, none of which could be proven to be original to the car since Dan was buying up old B/M parts so who would know for sure what was with the car and what wasn't. That being said the car is Missing the Engine, Trans., Rear end and will need a lot and I mean a lot of parts replaced to restore the car to a show level. As for the value of the car or body, its only worth what someone will pay for it on any given day!!!

keep in mind the Original person thought to own have owned the car is dead, the friends and people associated with the cars are 45 years older now with fading memories... there stories change on every conversation that anyone has with them, my opinion is simple we all chase the brass ring and we all want the next barn find to be a HOME RUN !!!! seldom are they ever !!! the real collectible cars are original fully documented number matching cars that have been professionally over restored to a concourse level that makes it hard for the owner to get his investment back in this day and age....enjoy them for what they are, a piece of our history and childhood that bring back good memories...

why do we all have to fight argue and get over on each other to end up with a "MAYBE" car. I bought it to help out a friend in need, got the car and realized it was to much a project for this time in my life, so I sold it to the first person that wanted it for a LOSS of $500.00

and the story goes on..............................

[Verne_Frantz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mike_c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hello all, I am a newbie here but a car guy for the last 40 years....I have owned about everything you can imagine <span style="font-weight: bold">and have personally restored hundreds of car for myself and other people</span>... </div></div>

This is one thing that struck me about this thread from the first post. Lets call <span style="font-style: italic">hundreds</span> just 200, since its more than 100 hundred. Over 40 years, that's 5 cars a year. Does anyone sense a problem with that? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/bs.gif[/img]

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

Wow Mike I seems Dan might have pushed a few buttons with you today. ( I know how that can be) Why not say all these things about the car and the negativity towards Dan when you owned the car? Just seems to me that you might be a little bit bitter today and upset with him?


I still believe in the right Hands this car is documented.

[Ironarms]

Just saw Dan on the local news, Barricaded himself in his home, police talked him out peacefully, evicted from his foreclosed home. Feel bad for the guy... must be in a really tough spot right now .

[Charley Lillard]

Hopefully someone can get him some needed help.