Pontiac may be dead by monday..

[442w30]

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Exactly what current success's are you referring to?. When the leader of the free world can turf the CEO of the largest auto mfg in the world that my freind is a harbinger of things to come.


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Current successes?

- Corvette in all its iterations
- Competitive Chevy Malibu and Saturn Aura models
- Gorgeous styling of the Solstice and Sky
- Everything Caddy touches
- Buick's success in quality polls
- Their trucks are always dependable

Want more?

Could you offer some evidence of your slippery slope? When Chrysler had their loan, it wasn't a harbinger. Methinks you're using a political bias to make a populist point that doesn't have any foundation of truth.

[Late BrakeU2]

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Exactly what current success's are you referring to?. When the leader of the free world can turf the CEO of the largest auto mfg in the world that my freind is a harbinger of things to come.


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Current successes?

- Corvette in all its iterations
- Competitive Chevy Malibu and Saturn Aura models
- Gorgeous styling of the Solstice and Sky
- Everything Caddy touches
- Buick's success in quality polls
- Their trucks are always dependable

Want more?

Could you offer some evidence of your slippery slope? When Chrysler had their loan, it wasn't a harbinger. Methinks you're using a political bias to make a populist point that doesn't have any foundation of truth.

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The truth is these great design wins( not being facetious,read my above post) you have mentioned haven't hepled them turn a profit. The problem is not in the product,but the Union.
What was once a benefit has now become an entitlement, and how dare anyone question an entitlement??. While the UAW fairly negotiated retirement and health care plans, no one, on either side, factored the ultimate cost of those benefits. Once in contract law, those plans become entitlements and are therefore sacrosanct.They become "the cost of doing business". G.M., Ford, and Chrysler are the U.S. in microcosm - the "promises" cannot be kept without bankrupting the parent corporation. A slippery slope indeed..

The diff between Chrysler in 1980 and now was they actually had a real LEADER and VISIONARY who volunteered to work for a buck a year-not pushed to do it. Like Gene Stallings said in Forrest Gump "We sure could used him now"

[JoeG]

Bye Bye Miss American Pie............not too many slices left.............

[The Dude]

Gross wage of a UAW worker is around 54,000 a year. 2007 was the first year Toyota workers made more than the UAW wage.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/31/t...-first-time-l/

http://factcheckcms.bootnetworks.com...iew.php?id=865

http://www.uaw.org/auto/11_25_08auto2.cfm

[TDW]

Look, I live in what used to be the heart of GM and the UAW. My customer base for close to 40 years has been the GM workers. They is NO WAY they make 70 per hour. Here is a video of how the media came up with that rediculous number. Come on people, does anyone with half a brain think someone on the line makes 70 bucks an hour for "putting some bolts in a dash"?

http://www.uaw.org/auto/12_01_08auto1.cfm

[442w30]

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The truth is these great design wins( not being facetious,read my above post) you have mentioned haven't hepled them turn a profit. The problem is not in the product,but the Union.

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While the Unions have their own issues (I'd rather see them gone, but that's unrealistic), it's absolutely unfair to put blame on them while touting product. What you're missing is that GM's business model sucks. If product is king, how come a profit is so hard to come by? Place blame where it belongs - in the towers of the Ren Cen in downtown Detroit.


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The diff between Chrysler in 1980 and now was they actually had a real LEADER and VISIONARY who volunteered to work for a buck a year-not pushed to do it. Like Gene Stallings said in Forrest Gump "We sure could used him now"

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Ask veterans at Chrysler what they think of Lido. Chances are they don't think of him too fondly. However, he has a great PR agent.

[70 copo]

Looks like it's over. The Government and the UAW now essentually own GM.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/in..._89_perce.html

Be sure to read the comments to the article that follow

[Dog427435]

An e-mail I received from Pontiac




Dear Glenn,

I wanted you to hear directly from General Motors about an important
announcement we made recently to phase out the Pontiac brand by year end 2010. As a Pontiac owner, you are part of a rich heritage and tradition that had its inception back in 1926. Pontiac has some of the best-looking, best-driving and best-engineered cars in the U.S., and this was a particularly difficult business decision for us to make.

As a valued Pontiac and General Motors customer, I want to assure you that we are very sensitive to your concerns and needs. Pontiac will continue in operation through the end of 2010 and, following that date, you will continue to be able to receive service on your Pontiac vehicle at any Buick-Pontiac-GMC Dealer. Your Pontiac vehicle warranty coverage is unchanged. Please refer to your vehicle warranty booklet for specific details on your vehicle's coverage.

As GM reinvents itself for you and our future customers, we want to thank you for your business. We will work hard to keep you in our family, providing some of the finest quality vehicles in the world.

If you have any concerns or questions, please feel free to call our Pontiac Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-762-2737.

Sincerely,


Susan E. Docherty
North American Vice President
Buick-Pontiac-GMC



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[JoeG]

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An e-mail I received from Pontiac




Dear Glenn,




If you have any concerns or questions, please feel free to call our Pontiac Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-762-2737.

Sincerely,



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[RamAirDave]

Will PHS be affected by this? I wouldn't think so, but don't know how much (if any) direct affiliation they have with Pontiac.