1966 Yenko Stinger for sale - Page 7

**Mr70** · #61 10-07-2002, 06:33 PM

Brian H.
Now I too am curious how you will restore shors car.With or without the Yenko signature stripes/emblems/Headrests?

Copolocater
I am confused on two things you stated.Don't these statements contradict eachother?

At 10:00 AM:
"Call it what you want,Yenko,Jack Douglass Yenko,converted Yenko,it's got Dons blessing (financially) its a Yenko."

Then at 1:01 PM:
"I know this,if I bought a Yenko from Jack Douglass back in 69 or bought one a while ago thinking it was and paid extra for one,I'd have my retained attorney putting in overtime."
I am just trying to understand what is intended here.

While I was recently talking to Mr.Ed,he told me:"Jack Douglass was a good business man.He found a way to work around the Middleman,and Capitalize on it,or at the very least tried to."

**Stefano** · #62 10-07-2002, 06:39 PM

Brian,
Jack Douglass has never taken any credit and fully stated that the sYc concept belonged to Don Yenko. Jack also never had the intent to sell them as anything other than Yenkos.

What Don Did, with GMs support however, did boarder on infringing GM's Parts,Sales and Service Agremeement with their other dealers. That is why a dealer who discovered the program was allowed to order direct.

If he had not made the agreement, which included more than the stripes and badges,then he would not have sold them to the public as Yenkos and we would not be having this discussion.

As a restorer, I would have thought that you could appreciate and understand why someone would put a Super Car back to the way it was when delivered to the Customer.

No, I have not put the stripes, which were on my car when it was sold to the public ,as they had been removed. My Douglass Yenko was repainted without stripes and badges because Vince Emee had thought it was a Berger COPO and hence a D90 stripe was added, the Yenko Emblem holes were filled and a Berger Emblem was screwed to the tail panel.

If my car had not been sold with the Stripes, it would still be a Yenko and If I were to restore it under that circumstance,I would do so without the stripes.

I installed Stripes on Shor's Douglass Yenko because my research indicated that that was how the Camaro was sold to the public. I did prefer how it looked without them, however.

Marlin,
There was no paperwork/formal sales agreement between Douglass and Yenko and it has not been found to be the common practice. Acually the situation you mention happens to be unique,to the best of my knowledge.

Authorizing someone to do something encompasses alowing that entity to continue to do so. Jack called his order in either late January early February. Do you think that if he and Don were at odds there would not have been at least one single other Yenko Dealer in Chicago or the state of Illinois during this time frame?

JoeC,
I was not quoting you but paraphrasing and yes that is how I read your statements. I do repect your opinion and those of the membership however warped they may be [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] "Just Kidding"

Stefano

Chevy454 · #63 10-07-2002, 06:54 PM

Verbatim, dated September 19, 1969:

"It should be pointed out that Yenko Sportscars did not have any type of exclusive COPO and that many other dealers have purchased cars similar to the cars purchased by Yenko Sportscars. One Yenko dealer, however (Jack Douglas in Hinsdale, Illinois), after making a direct factory purchase of 22 vehicles identical to those sold him previously by Yenko Sportscars, found it advantageous to purchase YENKO emblems and trim to enhance retailing the merchandise."

INSERT OPINION HERE: Personally speaking, I feel the Douglass-Yenko cars ARE different than those that went through Canonsburg. Don had a distinct vision of what his Camaros were to be, and ordered them accordingly. Obviously, Jack Douglass had a different vision in mind, and ordered his cars accordingly, but felt, according to the document above, that a set of Yenko stripes/emblems would help sales. All of the other Yenko cars that went to other dealers (and Jack's first batch of COPOs) first passed through Canonsburg, but originated in Don's mind. Jack simply eliminated the middle man, and ordered them himself. Do I fault him for that? Not in the least, as he was running a business, the same as any other dealer, and I do agree with his choice of chambered exhaust. I also don't feel this is a question of his integrity. Let the flames begin!

copolocater · #64 10-07-2002, 06:59 PM

Because of the differance of professional opinions on this site it could be missunderstood by future investors that all Douglass copos are not Yenkos.Those who bought for an investment bought under the premise that they bought a true Yenko.Those who bought new that still might retain their original car bought the same way.I am currently trying to purchase one of the Douglass cars, and was under the same premise, as a investment.If the SYC registry (with the paperwork they have)won't register these cars as yenkos then Joe Public won't take a chance on investing either. Tom and Rob can you share any docs you might have on the Douglass deal maybe then we can finally sort this out.

**Stefano** · #65 10-07-2002, 06:59 PM

So you are the one who started all of this [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #66 10-07-2002, 07:06 PM

Tim;
I was referring to a 'sales agreement' which defined the geographic territory that Colonial had the rights to be the exclusive Yenko SportsCars dealer. This agreement didn't preclude Colonial from dealer transferring cars like you did at your dealership. I only reference this document as an example of how Don used written agreements under these types of circumstances. I believe Mike is referring to a similar 'sales' situation, whereby Douglas had the exclusive rights to sell sYc products in Chicago for 1969.

I don't think that these sales agreements can be assumed to include the authorization to install stripes/emblems etc... Wouldn't that require an additional written agreement?

If Jack and Don had this deal going, I would need to see it in writing, that's all.

#67 10-07-2002, 07:15 PM

Come on you guys, I am not getting anything done at work today!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

**sixtiesmuscle** · #68 10-07-2002, 07:16 PM

I'll add one more thought. Rob's quote indicates the UNIQUE relationship between the two dealerships. Had Jack bought just the the "stripes and trim" for about 50 bucks back then, it would be one thing. The additional fee charged by Yenko for the right to market them, WITH HIS APPROVAL, as Yenkos makes all the difference in the world.
As far as advertising being a determining factor in a marketing agreement, Douglass WAS listed in the Yenko ads as his authorized dealer. These three facts together are pretty compelling.
Yes, the cars are different, but, that doesn't make them any less of an official, authorized to sell it to the public, Yenko Camaro.

copolocater · #69 10-07-2002, 07:21 PM

Marlin I understood but when you mention Motion some of the cars MSO's would not go back to Baldwin because a couple were dealer traded.They were sold new by Baldwin but were dealer exchanged because of customer preferance in which the prefered car wasn't lot available. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Chevy454 · #70 10-07-2002, 07:21 PM

Tim:

Dad's in Indy today, and I can't even BEGIN to understand his filing system, but I did manage to find article that Don wrote that dealt with Douglass, which I posted above verbatim. As far as I know, that is all we have on the Yenko/Douglass relationship, but like I said, the paperwork is dad's department.

Stefano:

More of my thoughts here, so feel free to disregard them, as most do, but here goes! Our concern arose with the listing on the Mecum site: "1 of 2 white Yenkos". No other info given, unlike your other cars. Now, no big deal, just that we got an email about there being a white '69 Yenko, which would get the attention of anyone who knows "the basics" of the Yenkos, and the fact that Don ordered 6 colors on the '69 Camaros. Much to my surprise, not everyone reads this board (what a shame!), so not everyone is aware of the Douglass/Yenko relationship. Again, this is a unique situation with these cars, and in my opinion, can't be described simply as "Yenko Camaros".

Again, just my $.02...ok, maybe closer to $.01!

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