Go Back   The Supercar Registry > General Discussion > Supercar/Musclecar Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-02-2015, 08:50 PM
William William is offline
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: New Berlin WI USA
Posts: 2,638
Thanks: 249
Thanked 2,835 Times in 797 Posts
Default Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

We were there Charlie. You and everyone else were not. My opinion of what we saw has not changed one bit.
__________________
Learning more and more about less and less...
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-02-2015, 08:54 PM
Fast67VelleN2O's Avatar
Fast67VelleN2O Fast67VelleN2O is offline
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Mullica Hill, NJ
Posts: 4,106
Thanks: 7
Thanked 186 Times in 93 Posts
Default Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We were there Charlie. You and everyone else were not. My opinion of what we saw has not changed one bit. </div></div>

Is there any pre-restoration photos out there?
__________________
Day 2 is Life.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-02-2015, 08:55 PM
Fast67VelleN2O's Avatar
Fast67VelleN2O Fast67VelleN2O is offline
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Mullica Hill, NJ
Posts: 4,106
Thanks: 7
Thanked 186 Times in 93 Posts
Default Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

Because if this was me, I would have taken about 1,000 photos documenting an original Evening Orchid 1969 Camaro Z28 prior to restoring it.
__________________
Day 2 is Life.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-02-2015, 09:06 PM
watk69 watk69 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Flagstaff, AZ
Posts: 88
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

I guess it will always be a topic of debate that will never be fully answered. But even a rank amateur like me can color correct a cell phone pic to be any number of colors. I can make that pic show lime metallic green on the inside of the door with the candy maroon on the door sill.
__________________
Clif

________
'69 Dusk Blue Z/28
'15 Red Hot Z/28
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-02-2015, 09:15 PM
William William is offline
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: New Berlin WI USA
Posts: 2,638
Thanks: 249
Thanked 2,835 Times in 797 Posts
Default Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint



First photo is of the cowl side pod taken by the owner around 2012.
Second photo is a snip of a photo of the car taken around 1970-color matches the 2012 photo.
Third photo is a restored EO '65 Impala.
Fourth photo taken by the owner is the car in question during restoration.

You be the judge.
__________________
Learning more and more about less and less...
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-02-2015, 09:20 PM
70 copo 70 copo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: chillicothe Ohio 45601
Posts: 3,834
Thanks: 219
Thanked 1,240 Times in 578 Posts
Default Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

I do not see Cortez in the photo what I see is subject to lighting, fade and shadow.

IR paint scanner would have been helpful here
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-03-2015, 01:34 AM
William William is offline
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: New Berlin WI USA
Posts: 2,638
Thanks: 249
Thanked 2,835 Times in 797 Posts
Default Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

We also peeled the door panel as shown in the photo. Mostly primer with a thin coat of paint; dust and dirt visible in the photo. Look at the finish near the clip retainer.

What we saw is represented by the first two of the four photos-silver. At the time, we concluded the car was Cortez Silver stripe delete. All we knew going into this was that it had - B paint. We did not know of the EO claim and had not seen the 1970 photo of it. The original owner was not involved at that time. Based on what we saw, EO was ridiculous and remains so. Not for an instant did I believe that car had ever been EO.

Later on when photos of the car dismantled were posted it was apparent the OE color had a lavender tint. A few people capable of intelligent debate posed another theory: The car may have been '69 GM color code #81. Olds called it Flamingo Silver; Buick Sunset Silver. Since then I have seen a '69 Olds in that color. If you're standing next to the car it looks silver. From a distance, definitely not silver. But nowhere near as dark as EO.

Cortez Silver? #81 Silver? Certainly one of the two. All I know is what it wasn't.
__________________
Learning more and more about less and less...
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-03-2015, 10:57 AM
iluv69s iluv69s is online now
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: usa
Posts: 2,499
Thanks: 65
Thanked 315 Times in 131 Posts
Default Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We also peeled the door panel as shown in the photo. Mostly primer with a thin coat of paint; dust and dirt visible in the photo. Look at the finish near the clip retainer.

What we saw is represented by the first two of the four photos-silver. At the time, we concluded the car was Cortez Silver stripe delete. All we knew going into this was that it had - B paint. We did not know of the EO claim and had not seen the 1970 photo of it. The original owner was not involved at that time. Based on what we saw, EO was ridiculous and remains so. Not for an instant did I believe that car had ever been EO.

Later on when photos of the car dismantled were posted it was apparent the OE color had a lavender tint. A few people capable of intelligent debate posed another theory: The car may have been '69 GM color code #81. Olds called it Flamingo Silver; Buick Sunset Silver. Since then I have seen a '69 Olds in that color. If you're standing next to the car it looks silver. From a distance, definitely not silver. But nowhere near as dark as EO.

Cortez Silver? #81 Silver? Certainly one of the two. All I know is what it wasn't.


</div></div>

a few observations.....unless I am seeing it wrong, it looks like they painted the bottom of the original weatherstrip when they painted the car without taping it at all...which happens on a cheaper paint job.So assuming that is primer on the inside of the door, why would there be no primer on the clip retainers??? with all due respect William, I think I could have believed it was cortez silver if I had no clue of the possible EO connection...it seems the original owner and also atleast one witness knew the car being EO back in the day..... jmho
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-03-2015, 11:23 AM
bkhpah bkhpah is offline
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Latrobe, PA
Posts: 4,861
Thanks: 1
Thanked 30 Times in 24 Posts
Default Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint





This Camaro was very well known in Western PA. A lot of the old school guys to this day remember Clem's &quot;purple&quot; Z/28. I know the Grabiak Family and we buy from them. A VERY well known hi-performance dealer to this day. I really cannot imagine why some 45+ years later, the original owner of the car and the selling dealer would care one bit, to all get together and fabricate a story for the new owner. It makes no sense at all. And why would they insist, in writing, that the car was ordered this way if it hadn't been. It would seem that most people do not care for the OE color, even Clem himself was disappointed with it. All the people I talked to at Mecum told me the car was gorgeous in person. For some reason I cannot explain, the people that were there at the inception of this car in 1968, when it was ordered, and the day it was received at Grabiak's are treated as if they didn't have a clue ...BKH
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-03-2015, 01:14 PM
Keith Seymore's Avatar
Keith Seymore Keith Seymore is online now
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Motor City
Posts: 2,671
Thanks: 2,715
Thanked 4,994 Times in 1,373 Posts
Default Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bkhpah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This Camaro was very well known in Western PA. A lot of the old school guys to this day remember Clem's &quot;purple&quot; Z/28. I know the Grabiak Family and we buy from them. A VERY well known hi-performance dealer to this day. I really cannot imagine why some 45+ years later, the original owner of the car and the selling dealer would care one bit, to all get together and fabricate a story for the new owner. It makes no sense at all. And why would they insist, in writing, that the car was ordered this way if it hadn't been. It would seem that most people do not care for the OE color, even Clem himself was disappointed with it. All the people I talked to at Mecum told me the car was gorgeous in person. For some reason I cannot explain, the people that were there at the inception of this car in 1968, when it was ordered, and the day it was received at Grabiak's are treated as if they didn't have a clue ...BKH </div></div>

So we have verbal testimony from the original owner, and signed/notarized letters from the original owner and selling dealership, and it is being disputed?

God help me. I don't stand a chance.

K
__________________
'63 LeMans Convertible
'63 Grand Prix
'65 GTO - original, unrestored, Dad was original owner, 5000 mile Royal Pontiac factory racer
'74 Chevelle - original owner, 9.56 @ 139 mph best
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

O Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.