1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

[William]

We were there Charlie. You and everyone else were not. My opinion of what we saw has not changed one bit.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We were there Charlie. You and everyone else were not. My opinion of what we saw has not changed one bit. </div></div>

Is there any pre-restoration photos out there?

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Because if this was me, I would have taken about 1,000 photos documenting an original Evening Orchid 1969 Camaro Z28 prior to restoring it.

[watk69]

I guess it will always be a topic of debate that will never be fully answered. But even a rank amateur like me can color correct a cell phone pic to be any number of colors. I can make that pic show lime metallic green on the inside of the door with the candy maroon on the door sill.

[William]

First photo is of the cowl side pod taken by the owner around 2012.
Second photo is a snip of a photo of the car taken around 1970-color matches the 2012 photo.
Third photo is a restored EO '65 Impala.
Fourth photo taken by the owner is the car in question during restoration.

You be the judge.

[70 copo]

I do not see Cortez in the photo what I see is subject to lighting, fade and shadow.

IR paint scanner would have been helpful here

[William]

We also peeled the door panel as shown in the photo. Mostly primer with a thin coat of paint; dust and dirt visible in the photo. Look at the finish near the clip retainer.

What we saw is represented by the first two of the four photos-silver. At the time, we concluded the car was Cortez Silver stripe delete. All we knew going into this was that it had - B paint. We did not know of the EO claim and had not seen the 1970 photo of it. The original owner was not involved at that time. Based on what we saw, EO was ridiculous and remains so. Not for an instant did I believe that car had ever been EO.

Later on when photos of the car dismantled were posted it was apparent the OE color had a lavender tint. A few people capable of intelligent debate posed another theory: The car may have been '69 GM color code #81. Olds called it Flamingo Silver; Buick Sunset Silver. Since then I have seen a '69 Olds in that color. If you're standing next to the car it looks silver. From a distance, definitely not silver. But nowhere near as dark as EO.

Cortez Silver? #81 Silver? Certainly one of the two. All I know is what it wasn't.

[iluv69s]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We also peeled the door panel as shown in the photo. Mostly primer with a thin coat of paint; dust and dirt visible in the photo. Look at the finish near the clip retainer.

What we saw is represented by the first two of the four photos-silver. At the time, we concluded the car was Cortez Silver stripe delete. All we knew going into this was that it had - B paint. We did not know of the EO claim and had not seen the 1970 photo of it. The original owner was not involved at that time. Based on what we saw, EO was ridiculous and remains so. Not for an instant did I believe that car had ever been EO.

Later on when photos of the car dismantled were posted it was apparent the OE color had a lavender tint. A few people capable of intelligent debate posed another theory: The car may have been '69 GM color code #81. Olds called it Flamingo Silver; Buick Sunset Silver. Since then I have seen a '69 Olds in that color. If you're standing next to the car it looks silver. From a distance, definitely not silver. But nowhere near as dark as EO.

Cortez Silver? #81 Silver? Certainly one of the two. All I know is what it wasn't.


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a few observations.....unless I am seeing it wrong, it looks like they painted the bottom of the original weatherstrip when they painted the car without taping it at all...which happens on a cheaper paint job.So assuming that is primer on the inside of the door, why would there be no primer on the clip retainers??? with all due respect William, I think I could have believed it was cortez silver if I had no clue of the possible EO connection...it seems the original owner and also atleast one witness knew the car being EO back in the day..... jmho

[bkhpah]

This Camaro was very well known in Western PA. A lot of the old school guys to this day remember Clem's &quot;purple&quot; Z/28. I know the Grabiak Family and we buy from them. A VERY well known hi-performance dealer to this day. I really cannot imagine why some 45+ years later, the original owner of the car and the selling dealer would care one bit, to all get together and fabricate a story for the new owner. It makes no sense at all. And why would they insist, in writing, that the car was ordered this way if it hadn't been. It would seem that most people do not care for the OE color, even Clem himself was disappointed with it. All the people I talked to at Mecum told me the car was gorgeous in person. For some reason I cannot explain, the people that were there at the inception of this car in 1968, when it was ordered, and the day it was received at Grabiak's are treated as if they didn't have a clue ...BKH

[Keith Seymore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bkhpah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This Camaro was very well known in Western PA. A lot of the old school guys to this day remember Clem's &quot;purple&quot; Z/28. I know the Grabiak Family and we buy from them. A VERY well known hi-performance dealer to this day. I really cannot imagine why some 45+ years later, the original owner of the car and the selling dealer would care one bit, to all get together and fabricate a story for the new owner. It makes no sense at all. And why would they insist, in writing, that the car was ordered this way if it hadn't been. It would seem that most people do not care for the OE color, even Clem himself was disappointed with it. All the people I talked to at Mecum told me the car was gorgeous in person. For some reason I cannot explain, the people that were there at the inception of this car in 1968, when it was ordered, and the day it was received at Grabiak's are treated as if they didn't have a clue ...BKH </div></div>

So we have verbal testimony from the original owner, and signed/notarized letters from the original owner and selling dealership, and it is being disputed?

God help me. I don't stand a chance.

K