E-Bay '69 Yenko Disguised As a Z-28 Clone! - Page 9

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #81 10-08-2010, 06:29 PM

I'll do you one better. PM me an address, and I'll copy every page of title searches I've done for that car. That should get you well on your way. I can supply the phone # of the guy who was offered the car in an envelope too, but I'm not putting that info in a post!

PS: just so you know I'm not bs'ing ya, do the names Carmine, Richard, and Donna connect with anything?

**Steve Shauger** · #82 10-08-2010, 06:49 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jim - That's the very reason that a continuous chain of owners and statements of condition, originality, etc. is soooo critical to the pedigree of a car. Everything else can be made up, but owners with phone numbers (so that you can talk to them and/or their heirs) and sworn statements are hard to fake. </div></div>

The bottom line is there needs to be physical inspection of the car. Owners recollection of a car can help but they can fade over the years. Rather than debate this why don't you start the physical inspection process and validate your claim/position. By repeatedly stating this is not a rebody proves nothing. You probably spent several hours defending the car when a simple documented inspection would prove or disprove your theory. Is there a reason you have chosen not to do this up to this point.

This thread isn't going anywhere without a documented inspection of the cars integrity.

**black69** · #83 10-08-2010, 10:06 PM

ok, it took me a while to read through this whole thread. I hope time and stripping the car down, can prove out what it is. As far as tags in an envelope, who is to say the car was detroyed when the envelope sale happened. I personally have seen where some joker took numbers out of one car (that would fit in an evelope) and then ended up and a better body, and then I found the original body. So to me, just because someone offered part of a car in the form of an envelope, I would still have the open mindset the car still could have still existed to this day. The car in question needs to be stripped and deciphered. good luck on rolling the dice.

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #84 10-09-2010, 12:02 AM

Possibly, but a lot of things are possible - I hope the original body does exist somewhere! This isn't the first time a Yenko has been for sale in an envelope - unfortunately. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif[/img]

**bergy** · #85 10-09-2010, 12:33 AM

OK Marlin - just so that you're sure to get my mailing info: Bruce Eilenberger, 180 Blossom Hill Drive, Lancaster, PA 17601. Moderators: please do not change or alter this thread in any way as it is now evidence in the investigation of a felony. I would advise anyone who has contributed personal knowledge of this car to write down copious notes of the details of their involvement. You may forward them to me or just save them for later. This scum bag stuff is ruining our hobby and it has to stop! I can't believe that leader(s) of this great site would allow attempted felony to go on and not do anything to try to stop it.
Marlin - Donna would have owned the car 10 years ago, just before her marriage. I won't be posting on this thread any more.

**markjohnson** · #86 10-09-2010, 01:06 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK Marlin - just so that you're sure to get my mailing info: Bruce Eilenberger, 180 Blossom Hill Drive, Lancaster, PA 17601. Moderators: please do not change or alter this thread in any way as it is now evidence in the investigation of a felony. I would advise anyone who has contributed personal knowledge of this car to write down copious notes of the details of their involvement. You may forward them to me or just save them for later. This scum bag stuff is ruining our hobby and it has to stop! I can't believe that leader(s) of this great site would allow attempted felony to go on and not do anything to try to stop it.
Marlin - Donna would have owned the car 10 years ago, just before her marriage. I won't be posting on this thread any more. </div></div>

No, it's my thread, I started it. Moderators, please delete the ENTIRE thread if Bergy is gonna TRY to turn this into evidence in a criminal investigation. It sounds like you took a chance on this car and it's starting to look like you got taken out of pretty serious chunk of change. You gambled and lost and now you're trying to blame somebody else. In the early Eighties, '69 Camaros were everywhere and NOBODY was swapping firewalls and cowl sections to save them. Now you're implicating the "leaders" of this site about a car I don't think they know a whole lot about! It's your problem and stop trying to drag other people into your mess!

**Charley Lillard** · #87 10-09-2010, 01:15 AM

Bergy...Just what are you saying ? Are you wanting members of this site to testify in court because you bought this car ? You want us to jump thru these hoops for you why ?

**Steve Shauger** · #88 10-09-2010, 03:17 AM

<span style="font-weight: bold">Lets see bergy on 8/16 you had this to say about the car:</span>

I actually parked right next to that car at a show in Intercourse (no kidding), PA last month! I was so intrigued by it (140 mph speedo, single 3/8 fuel line,etc) that I called Bob Harris from the show to discuss it. We decided that it may be a copo, but there were a ton of wrong things as well. I even told the owner that he may have a very valuable car on his hands and he should contact Jerry. Arghhhhhh - shoulda, coulda

<span style="font-weight: bold">Then on 8/17 you felt this way:</span>

The owner was a very nice guy, and I was really trying to help him - not buy a copo cheap. I told him that the speedo was from a very valuable car and he should call JM to have him look at it. There were some good signs of it being a copo, but the rear was wrong, radiator, heater box, etc. When I saw that the firewall wasn't pierced for the cowl hood wiring - it looked un-copo like. My bad (really bad)!

<span style="font-weight: bold">Then on 8/28 after careful inspection you felt this way :</span>

I just returned from inspecting the car. It is not sold and the vin tag does not match the body stamps. The owner is a great guy and is honest as the day is long. He bought the car in March and he just wanted to drive it for the Summer and then re-sell it. To him, it was just a Z28 clone with great paint and a great sound. Right now, he just wants to get his 25k back out of the car. Frankly, 25k is a stretch - except for that pesky vin tag and the original 140 mph inst carrier. If anyone wants to buy the car and then try to find the original body - contact me. The body vin is 587974 - finding that car may provide a clue to where the orignal body is. The owner isn't a car guy and doesn't want to be bugged with a lot of questions that he can't answer. There's nothing in it for me - just trying to help a friend. Maybe you folks out there in the SYC community feel the same way. Thanks, bergy

<span style="font-weight: bold">Then on 10/6 you posted you purchased the car after another thorough inspection and concluded the following:</span>

Just a quick update on this car - I inspected it very thoroughly and it had just enough copo attributes that I decided to buy it. Tank has never been out of the car and it has an original single 3/8 fuel line & sending unit plus many other little things. A few things that realy bugged me about the car have been resolved. The tail pan didn't have the extra muonting holes, but I now have old photos from the guy who painted it showing him in the process of replacing the pan. Obviously, the donor body stamp on the cowl needs to be cleared up. I can see that there is a lot of welding around the cowl section though. I was able to speak to the brother of the person who last registered the donor vin (the vin stamped on the cowl) and he told me that the car was in a bad wreck with a logging truck back in 1981 (the car hasn't been registered since then). It was totaled in the rear and the only thing salvagable was doors forward. The car that I have has original, unrepaired rear frame rails. So - I'm encouraged that someone salvaged the firewall out of the donor car and put it on the Yenko for some reason. Still searching for the rest of the pieces of the puzzle. I'm taking tons of photo documentation and certifying statements from everyone that provides data. Thanks to those who have PM'd me info and leads.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Now somehow the members of this site are responsible for you purchasing this car....really.....</span>

ssl78396 · #89 10-09-2010, 09:01 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just one answer - nope! This car was for sale in an envelope 10-12 years ago. I don't need to see it. </div></div>
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camarojoe · #90 10-09-2010, 06:55 PM

Bergy, If the Yenko was originally rally green and the body is the original as you claim, there will undoubtedly be some evidence of original paint under the door panels, wheelhouses, floor pans, quarters, etc. that could be easily seen with very little effort... heck, take out the back seat and you should see some rally green somewhere if its the real body. I mean sure a "donor" body could have been rally green too, but that's a pretty long shot. Bottom line is, if the body you have there shows evidence of Rally Green being the original color it would go a long way in making me believe the body is original. Should take 5 minutes to check. Post some pics.

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