1969 Chevelle

[camaromb]

With the unique characteristics an original Copo Chevelle trim tag has, it would be nice to see the trim tag on this vehicle.

The transmission vin and assembly stamp have evidence of numbers visible underneath. It looks like it was smoothed and re-grained when it was re-stamped. Its getting harder to tell anymore on some of these cars.

[EZ Nova]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427strato</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi everyone. Its Doug, the original owner of copo 120.
6) I somewhat regress here as we need to discuss the original engine. I know the names of the individuals involved here however I do know the people and am still acquainted with the people I'm speaking about. I traded the Chevelle for a 68 427 Vette. That owner raced the car for a couple of years and then removed the motor and installed it in a 69 Nova. I know he pulled the wheels of the Nova in front of MacD..... one night with another friend of mine in the passenger seat. I am still acquainted with both of these people. Enough of the engine.</div></div>

This quote is TRUE! Doug and I are from the same town, and I have meet/known Doug for 20/25+ years, but we are not long lost buddies, but we do know each other. The passenger in the above quote IS a friend, and in fact currently helping me on my new house. I mentioned this post to him and he said, &quot;yep, I remember that well&quot;.

The reason I quoted this, like what camaromb posted above, is regards to restamping. Doug KNOWS that the original motor was pulled YEARS ago and the body went to a new owner. It had the SB in it when it went to the wreaking yard. IT WAS NOT KNOWN IN ONTARIO, where the car was in the wreaking yard, that this was a 427 BBc COPO!!!! Yet in BC, the motor and trans &quot;MAGICALLY&quot; are rejoined??????

The owner of the '69 Nova is still around. I wonder if he knew what ever happened to his Nova and therefore the original BORN WITH engine for COPO 120????

If this is a restamp, and the facts are leading us to believe this IS, then why not just disclose that fact. Added to what camaromb stated about the trans, it just puts up to many red flags and &quot;could&quot; possibly be some shady practices going on for this 6 figure car!!!!!

I'm not saying the current owner or even MONTEMAN did or knew about these issues, but the fact that the original owner KNEW the motor was LONG gone, pictures seem to indicate restamping on the trans as observed here, and that the floors of what people thought was a plain jane '69 Chevelle, look like show-room fresh, just seems a bit fishy to me, IMO.

The buyer should do very good due indigents before buying this car, IMO!

[Kurt S]

I sure would like to hear how the block found it's way back to the car, assuming it's still not in the Nova.
More importantly, is how did the body survive the junkyard. That should be researchable given the owner history.
I agree with MB on the trans.
136379B397120 to help with future searches.

Cowl tag
6
ST69 13637 BAL255452 BDY
TR 756 57 57 PNT
06DB1616 B M196587
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[old5.0]

Green-to-blue must have been popular back then. I know of an FG 4 - speed COPO out of Van-T in Topeka that was &quot;cloned&quot; into an LB SS396 in the early 80's.

[monteman1969]

[monteman1969]

Hi here are the pictures of the cowl tag and transmission stamp. You will notice in the transmission stamp that the ghosting is the same number. Probably from when the holder was placed against the transmission. The owner asked me to post these pictures. Also to note that in the ebay ad it just states numbers matching. No one has claimed them to be born with. I had the pleasure to restore this car and I believe these parts to be original. But that's just my opinion.

[Furback]

I am no expert, but I have looked at one pile of Muncie stampings. The VIN stamp has what looks like an obliterated previous stamp under it. And the ghost stamp under the C in the Trans stamp looks more like an old 0 stamping than a C. The texture of that whole pad looks wrong, almost like it is a &quot;inny&quot; instead of an &quot;outy&quot; texture. Now, I could be all wrong, but I have a few M22 trannys , they are an investment for me and I would question this one for sure.

[Charley Lillard]

Looks like a bounce to me.

[njsteve]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like a bounce to me. </div></div>

I concur. The born-with block in my SD455 has at least three bounces of the same VIN stamp, maybe four, if your eyes are really good.

The existing casting surface and the way the surface flows into the stamped indentations look age-consistent versus a restamp where the indented areas would be &quot;sharper&quot; or cleaner.

[Furback]

How would you bounce a 0 into a C ? And what are the stampings between the characters of the VIN Stamp then? Just wondering.