1968 Yenko Camaro RS/SS YS-8035 Barrett Jackson

[FTC]

Originally Posted by GMC_Typhoon

Sometimes I wish I could rebody my wife.

lmao......

[FTC]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

"Ship of Theseus Paradox"

https://www.google.com/search?q=ship...active&ssui=on

People have been attempting to answer these questions since the first century. Ask ten different enthusiasts and you'll get twenty different answers.

The only difference is that first century wooden ships did not have hidden VINs (as far as I know).

K

Hmmm,....I never heard of that but it sure does sound like the same debate.

[SS427]

Originally Posted by FTC

Even if fenders, doors, quarters, roof, tail panel, rockers,..etc,,etc have been replaced due to crash damage or rust and rot, and the only remaining sheet metal is the cowl and firewall?

My opinion has always been, and take it for just what it is, an opinion, is that as long as the firewall and the main 'birdcage' if you will is reused, I do not consider it a rebody. I have had cars in my shop that we had to replace every bit of sheetmetal such as quarters, decklid, door skins, hood and fenders but used the original birdcage and firewall, I do not consider that a rebody by any stretch. Again, just my opinion.

[luzl78]

Originally Posted by GMC_Typhoon

Sometimes I wish I could rebody my wife.

better keep her off this thread

[R68GTO]

Originally Posted by SS427

My opinion has always been, and take it for just what it is, an opinion, is that as long as the firewall and the main 'birdcage' if you will is reused, I do not consider it a rebody. I have had cars in my shop that we had to replace every bit of sheetmetal such as quarters, decklid, door skins, hood and fenders but used the original birdcage and firewall, I do not consider that a rebody by any stretch. Again, just my opinion.

I'm with Rick on this....commonly called the "body in white" these days, it is the main inner structure that surrounds the passenger cabin. Includes floors, firewall, A&B pillars, rockers, and inner wheelhouses. While it's common to replace parts of the cage (rockers, floors), the rest of it usually stays relatively intact barring a significant collision.

[Lynn]

Agree with Rick.

But when it comes time to shop for a car, I would much rather get one that is all original panels.

Similar debate on "restored" vs "over restored" or "incorrectly restored".

Lots of opinions. I did some things on my car to improve on what the factory did. The bottom inch of parts of the lower rear valance on mine got no top coat from the factory. Should I have left it that way? I didn't.

[Rsconv68]

I’m sure it looked better reassembled than the pictures from BJ. I’m no judge, but that thing is a mess.

[FTC]

Originally Posted by SS427

My opinion has always been, and take it for just what it is, an opinion, is that as long as the firewall and the main 'birdcage' if you will is reused, I do not consider it a rebody. I have had cars in my shop that we had to replace every bit of sheetmetal such as quarters, decklid, door skins, hood and fenders but used the original birdcage and firewall, I do not consider that a rebody by any stretch. Again, just my opinion.

I agree for the most part, but I am a body shop manager, auto painter by trade, and in my 45 years being in this trade, I have seen a lot .

I guess my question, or maybe it's an opinion is,.....if a "rare" car, (take that term as you will) meaning not some base 6 cylinder daily driver, is on it's way to getting restored, aka replacing 75% of it's sheet metal, because of rot from sitting in four feet of chicken poop in a barn some where,...and it has extensive damage to the hinge pillar, cowl panel, and firewall, from a side T-Bone hit, and those panels are also showing signs of rust as well....isn't panel replacement not only the correct way to repair those area, but the proper and safe way of restoring the car? If the answer is yes, then there are only two ways to achieve that.

1. After all the work on the frame machine, the pulling and measuring is done, the cowl and firewall and dash panel are cut off and replaced, (which will be joined by rotted floors, roof, rockers, quarters, etc...being replaced later) with new NOS or Aftermarket parts, resulting in the unavoidable removal of the VIN plate, data tag, and partial VINs.

Or

2. The rare car receives a donor body, one in great original shape, with all factory assembled OEM sheet metal, at factory specs, which also will result in the unavoidable removal of the VIN plate, data tag, and partial VINs.

[Z282NV]

Originally Posted by FTC

I agree for the most part, but I am a body shop manager, auto painter by trade, and in my 45 years being in this trade, I have seen a lot .

I guess my question, or maybe it's an opinion is,.....if a "rare" car, (take that term as you will) meaning not some base 6 cylinder daily driver, is on it's way to getting restored, aka replacing 75% of it's sheet metal, because of rot from sitting in four feet of chicken poop in a barn some where,...and it has extensive damage to the hinge pillar, cowl panel, and firewall, from a side T-Bone hit, and those panels are also showing signs of rust as well....isn't panel replacement not only the correct way to repair those area, but the proper and safe way of restoring the car? If the answer is yes, then there are only two ways to achieve that.

1. After all the work on the frame machine, the pulling and measuring is done, the cowl and firewall and dash panel are cut off and replaced, (which will be joined by rotted floors, roof, rockers, quarters, etc...being replaced later) with new NOS or Aftermarket parts, resulting in the unavoidable removal of the VIN plate, data tag, and partial VINs.

Or

2. The rare car receives a donor body, one in great original shape, with all factory assembled OEM sheet metal, at factory specs, which also will result in the unavoidable removal of the VIN plate, data tag, and partial VINs.

In my books as soon as you touch the VINs its no longer the same car, no matter how you do it.

[FTC]

Originally Posted by Z282NV

In my books as soon as you touch the VINs its no longer the same car, no matter how you do it.

So a rare, numbers match, one owner, all original drivetrain, COPO Camaro, with every piece of documentation it could possibly have, that has a rotted dash panel that needs replacing,.....(and obviously needs the VIN tag removed then re-installed because of the panel replacement).... isn't a numbers matching COPO Camaro anymore because of some rust repair?