1968 Yenko Camaro RS/SS YS-8035 Barrett Jackson

[Z282NV]

Originally Posted by FTC

So a rare, numbers match, one owner, all original drivetrain, COPO Camaro, with every piece of documentation it could possibly have, that has a rotted dash panel that needs replacing,.....(and obviously needs the VIN tag removed then re-installed because of the panel replacement).... isn't a numbers matching COPO Camaro anymore because of some rust repair?

Yup, no longer a COPO. It may have COPO parts and documents related to those parts but thats it.

Here is an analogy. Just imagine I pass away in a car accident and some of my organs are donated to others who need them. They can even have my birth certificate, does that make them me?

[FTC]

Originally Posted by Z282NV

Yup, no longer a COPO. It may have COPO parts and documents related to those parts but thats it.

Here is an analogy. Just imagine I pass away in a car accident and some of my organs are donated to others who need them. They can even have my birth certificate, does that make them me?

That's a completely different story. Apples and oranges. I didn't say a few COPO parts remained on the car,..I said the entire car is numbers match, every nut and bolt original., all documentation to support all of it, original owner, etc....and what goes without saing is, the cowl data tag, and all hidden VINs are still in tact. All I mentioned was one VIN tag had to be removed to replace a rotted dash panel, the correct way to do the repair, then it obviously had to be reinstalled..

In your first post you said as soon as a VIN is touched, it's no longer the same car. I believe differently.

That $200,000.00 COPO is now worth $60.000.00 as just a 427 Camaro because of some proper rust repair? Not in my book, and I don't think anyone who owns a COPO would agree with that either.

This isn't a re-body debate where some people won't accept a donor body as the real thing with the VINs switched and all. This is a simple and routine repair that I outlined, addressing your statement that said..... "In my books as soon as you touch the VINs its no longer the same car, no matter how you do it".

If you want to use your human body analogy,...this would suit this discussion better. If you had a knee replacement, are you still the same person? That answer is yes. Just like the COPO is still the same car with a new dash panel.

[Z282NV]

The key word is VINs, plural. Now your messing with multiple vehicle identification numbers. I guess the most important part in all of this is accurate and clear disclosure. Then let the buyer decide what it's worth to him.

[FTC]

Originally Posted by Z282NV

The key word is VINs, plural. Now your messing with multiple vehicle identification numbers. I guess the most important part in all of this is accurate and clear disclosure. Then let the buyer decide what it's worth to him.

I never said VINs. I said one VIN tag on the dash needed to be removed to do a proper dash panel replacement because of the original was rusted.

My example did not mention messing with multiple vehicle identification numbers.

In response to that you said.... "Yup, no longer a COPO. It may have COPO parts and documents related to those parts but thats it."

So is it mutable VINs being messed with, removed and replaced, or switched to a different body, that makes you have that opinion,..... or does even just one removed and replaced on the same car for repairs make you think that also?

[Keith Seymore]

Geez.

I was really hoping my post might circumvent some of this discussion.

But - here we are.

K

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Z282NV

I guess the most important part in all of this is accurate and clear disclosure. Then let the buyer decide what it's worth to him.

I'd say it comes down to this.

And - each scenario is different.

K

[FTC]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

I'd say it comes down to this.

And - each scenario is different.

K

Without a doubt, but there are many, many honest car restorers out there, and car owners spending tons of money to keep cars as original and true as they can be. And most states even allow a VIN to be removed by licensed shops of course, to have proper repairs done to the vehicle.

I have ordered new VIN decals for vehicles that received new or used doors here at the shop where the original, being a decal, gets voided if you try to remove it. So to say a car is not what it is, because a VIN tag was removed and installed again after a repair is silly.

[FTC]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

Geez.

I was really hoping my post might circumvent some of this discussion.

But - here we are.

K

Well, it is a discussion board after all....without healthy discussions, forum based websites like these are doomed.

Social media sites in general have taken over as forum based sites have dwindled. Most are either closed down and have been deleted, or are a shell of what they once were.....thanks to Facebook, Instagram, X, Reddit, and the numerous other social media web sites.

[Pro Stock John]

As long as the buyer has all the details of what was changed, they can decide.

[FTC]

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

As long as the buyer has all the details of what was changed, they can decide.

We all agree on that, the discussion was why some people seem ready to throw away the entire history and lineage of a special car because of a routine, but necessary repair.