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Old 05-17-2021, 06:39 PM
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I will take some of the blame. Mistook this comment as coming from the OP. It did NOT.

"I want to find something that will wind up there and also have a very, very lumpy idle, crackely lumpy."
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I am mostly guilty of going sideways on this thread. I do appreciate all the comments.
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Back to the OP. Cheapest way to go would be the Elgin cam. ELGE904PMDL

Virtually identical to the LT-1 camshaft.

You are going to be right on the edge of detonation.

If you are planning to disassemble the short block anyway, and you want to have a little hedge against detonation, you could have .010 cut off the tops of the pistons. Would actually help turbulence a bit. You would want to have the rotating assy balanced, but I do that on every engine build. Cheap insurance.

If you are wanting to go roller, call Chris Straub at Straub technologies. He is on the cutting edge of camshaft technology for old school SBC engines.
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Back to the OP. Cheapest way to go would be the Elgin cam. ELGE904PMDL

Virtually identical to the LT-1 camshaft.

You are going to be right on the edge of detonation.

If you are planning to disassemble the short block anyway, and you want to have a little hedge against detonation, you could have .010 cut off the tops of the pistons. Would actually help turbulence a bit. You would want to have the rotating assy balanced, but I do that on every engine build. Cheap insurance.

If you are wanting to go roller, call Chris Straub at Straub technologies. He is on the cutting edge of camshaft technology for old school SBC engines.
no harm guys were all motorheads! thanks Lynn I was thinking going back to stock solid lifter cam but another I would consider are the off road cams #140 and #754 ? or stay with LT1? I'm not milling pistons staying stock. again I want this drivable on what's available at the pump
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whoa! hold up on that car wash boys! I didn't ask for a lumpy idle.
You have gotten some great suggestions on SBC cams...and reply with the above?

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but another I would consider are the off road cams #140 and #754 ?
Then you reference two cams that are very lumpy and long on duration?

3927140 Mechanical - 257/269 - .493/.512 - 112 - Off Road
3965754 Mechanical - 262/273 - .488/.509 - 112 - 2nd Design

I'm thinking you should maybe touch base with Comp Cams tech support. They can help you select something that will work better for your needs.
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The GM off road cams are nice if you have lots of rear gear.
They are lumpy old school, No bottom end torque, goodness

And VERY easy on valve springs !!

I run a 140 with 1.7 rockers in my 72 nova 350 flat tops zero decked with 4.33 rear and fast burn heads.
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Definitely needs good fuel. I add a couple gallons of 100 LL to a tank of 91.
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Graeme, I have a very similar hydraulic roller on the shelf that I pulled out of a 406 years ago to swap in a solid roller. I think it's way too big to work in a 302, but I'm curious what you think, as I was strongly contemplating it myself.

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I'm going to wade in here with a couple of cam suggestions for someone who wants a somewhat lumpy idle, but still wants to retain some good driving characteristics. The first is an updated solid camshaft which serves as a great replacement cam for any small block from the 302 right up to a fresh LT1. Sounds pretty stout at idle, but still retains decent street manners with enough vacuum to run power brakes. At .500' lift with 247/254 duration on a 112 LSA, it has a tight lash (.012) with modern ramps. Best suited to a 4-spd car with some gearing, it's designed to run from 2300 up 6900 rpm. I found it was better from about 2800 up with a wide ratio stick running 373's. I recently recommended this cam to another sYc member and his 302 dyno'd at 365hp with this cam profile. In a stock LT1 build, I would imagine that the same gain would be appreciated netting close to 400hp with the additional cubes.

Comp Cams Nostalgia Plus 12-673-4 Mechanical Cam

Idling in my green Z/28 with freshly built DZ 302 (Fast Idle)


Now...if you're looking for a very driveable cam with excellent street manners, a lumpy idle, and something that will garner some attention from light to light, here's another cam that Dave @ Crower recommended to me a few years ago and I am so impressed with. I ran this Crower 00471 Hydraulic Roller in a mildly built 350 LT1 with pop-up pistons and freshened 462 heads that had a little bowl blending done. The result was a great lumpy idle and a cam that worked really really well between 2400-6500 rpm. Sounded nasty at idle, pulled real strong through all gears, and was very smooth with great torque through the entire rpm range. The bonus with this roller cam was less valve train maintenance and the $hit assed grin I always wore while driving this one. The cam was so good, I am considering building another 302 and might run this cam again. It doesn't run up into the 7K range, but more than makes up in the 3500 to 6500 range.

Crower 00471 Hydraulic Roller Camshaft (Perf Level 4) 2400 to 6500 rpm

Idling away in a freshly built 350 LT1 (68 Camaro Build)

And here it is on a nice 3 gear pull while I was breaking in the new motor.
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You have gotten some great suggestions on SBC cams...and reply with the above?



Then you reference two cams that are very lumpy and long on duration?

3927140 Mechanical - 257/269 - .493/.512 - 112 - Off Road
3965754 Mechanical - 262/273 - .488/.509 - 112 - 2nd Design

I'm thinking you should maybe touch base with Comp Cams tech support. They can help you select something that will work better for your needs.
Graeme I didn't ask for a lumpy idle, but you recommended several lumpy cams for that guy
I did ask about the off-road cams, not because they are lumpy. IIRC I started the thread with questions am I not allowed to ask others? with my LT1 I have a blank canvas and I ask because I am not a cam expert I don't want do this over because I grabbed what sounded cool so please give a guy with little experience a break would you?
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Your posts are confusing?

You ask for advice on an LT-1 cam, then jump in saying hold up...nothing lumpy? Then you post again the next day asking about two camshafts known as the lumpiest of the DZ-302 profiles?

Read that whatever way you want...
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One further note since you took that whole suggestion out of context? If you call the guys at Comp's tech line...ask them exactly what will work best in a street-driven LT1 on pump gas.

You might hear some very similar advice to what you have already gotten. Out!
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