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So let them deal with the issue, just like we have had to deal with the issue of nuclear weapons after we dropped the A-Bombs on Japan to end WWII.
Gee thanks. I didn't ask for this.

(I'm 18.)
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Neither did we! Decisions are made today that solve one problem but have far reaching consequences into the future.
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Old 10-01-2017, 03:07 PM
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Gee thanks. I didn't ask for this.

(I'm 18.)
Exactly.

While we can make comparisons that distract from the discussion however a simple review of the thread will reflect that the material posted warning of what some segments of society have planned for the incremental phase out of the internal combustion engine is very real.

As an example the catoylitic converter is front and center here as in 1970 the big three were laughing at the prospect. By 1972 the automotive press was openly calling the new car offerings "Lemons" and the converter was the law soon after. What caused this was regulation backed by the junk science of period this was the so called "hole in the Ozone".

The domestic Auto industry was damaged severely during this period some will say it has still not recovered.

We would be well advised to heed the warnings provided by history.
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That's all well and good but the issue at hand is that it far easier to say you are going to phase out the ICE versus actually doing it. Not one of the countries that has talked up the ban has said how they will deal with the massive investment to their infrastructure to support the ban.

Let's take a look at California for a moment. What happens when CA gets hit with another large earthquake which will surely disrupt the electric grids. What happens when people lose their power for a week or two?
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Ask Puerto Rico.
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Ask Puerto Rico.
I can't. They don't have either land line or cell phone service for the most part.
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Yep, I had to blink twice...no this is not the onion:

Paris has banned all cars for a day.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...y-day-50208953

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Study recommends European countries exempt historic vehicles from car bans

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As more cities across Europe take action to address their congested or polluted urban centers by restricting or outright banning vehicles from those areas, a study recently released by the European Commission suggests making a number of exemptions, including one for historic vehicles.
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“Historic vehicles could be exempted from low-emission zones because of their minimal use in the regulated areas combined with their contribution to the preservation of motoring heritage,” the authors of the study wrote. “LEZs would thus disproportionately penalise particularly urban-based owners and businesses servicing historic vehicles since practically no retrofitting possibilities exist.”

The EU defines vehicles of historic interest as those 30 years or older, of a type no longer manufactured, and “historically preserved and maintained in its original state.” It generally accepts that historic vehicles are not frequently used on public roads.
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/?p=912736
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Stay alert folks.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-in-the-works

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Reasons to leave the "burning" state keep coming up, besides high cost of living.
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