Baldwin COPO

[GotGrunt]

Originally Posted by Carleen

There are only 4 bolts to replace a seat.
Also in the magazine they have TH400 but she had M22 from the factory

The question remains, why a savvy businessman like Joel Rosen wouldn’t just order an orange with deluxe interior Camaro instead of converting a blue car with standard interior to those specs. Also, not much evidence to support the car you correctly own is the same Baldwin Motion car talked about. That being said, you can’t say for sure that the passionate persimmon/wild pumpkin was not automatic from the factory. You are only basing that off your car being an M22. The only person who can definitively answer this question is Joel Rosen, but we know he has repeatedly stated that he didn’t use COPO 9651 for his builds, they were ordered as L78s.

[rts]

Why in the world would the go thru all this trouble to do a color change, an interior change, make it a 427 and also convert from a stick to an automatic?
When you could just order the exact car you wanted?

[cook_dw]

This was an email conversion with Marty Schorr back in 2020. I was given permission from the recipient of the email to post this here.

[PeteLeathersac]

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If nose original parts, what of fender piercings from inside also 427 Crayon markings?

Whether Joel ordered any factory 427 Camaros or not is its own question but not knowing seems improbable as we've discussed at least 3x Baldwin sold 9561 cars here also some info suggests they delivered 10 or more plus add Brent's Dyno-Motion car to the evidence and Joel's connections w/ GM also everyone else into performance, how could he not know?

What year is the NY Auto Show pic w/ subject Motion Camaro from, 69 or 70?
1'st pic below is another angle from the same show w/ Motion Camaro in the background.
Pic w/ Joel and Zora is reputed to be the '70 show but may be a different year w/ same Motion 'Vette?

~ Pete

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[PeteLeathersac]

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[cook_dw]

I’m just curious of the story behind how Carleen came to the conclusion that his car is #1 a COPO & #2 the Motion/Heavy car. It had to be a lot of research behind it all.

[Carleen]

Remember shes Joels demo car that he used to Track Test various combinations and new components.

[Carleen]

Originally Posted by cook_dw

I’m just curious of the story behind how Carleen came to the conclusion that his car is #1 a COPO & #2 the Motion/Heavy car. It had to be a lot of research behind it all.

Like 16 years

[COPO]

With the snippets I've seen posted here and there, seems like a good chance it's the real deal, but it's hard to follow as everything is scattered, so perhaps a comprehensive thread showing all the photographic, paperwork, and timeline evidence in one place laid out in a logical manner would be useful.

Of course with multiple statements from both Joel and Marty they were unaware of the COPO program cast a shadow on the story. I heard them both say this at the SCR they attended during the banquet dinner.

I do recall a full color article on an Orange SS RS car in HP Cars magazine, where they drove it to the track and bolted on slicks. I seem to recall the article was titled "fun for a day". I have the magazine somewhere, but not handy at the moment.

With that said, unless you're selling, you don't have to prove anything to anybody.

[DW31S]

The last ‘69 Camaro I owned was a 980 mile ex-NHRA Super Stocker that Bill Izykowski bought new from Reedman. It is an “01B” car, that was originally a 53 50 two-tone paint Glacier Blue/White roof with Blue standard interior. 396/350 horse stick that Bill ran in SS/H.
Trim tag reads “X22” and body number about 500 units before this one. I sincerely hope Carleen’s car is what it is claimed to be, but the one I had bears many similarities and was definitely not a COPO. I have pics of the tag and the car dressed in ‘69 livery if anyone wants to see them.