Interview with Mary Barra

[Lee Stewart]

VW Says The Combustion Engine Is Far From Dead

Being such a large automaker with multiple brands under its umbrella, the Volkswagen Group can afford to invest heavily in electrification without having to put the internal combustion engine on the backburner. Their gasoline engines are now more efficient than ever while the much-criticized diesels that generated billions of dollars in fines are now as clean as current technology allows it.

BMW is also a strong believer the combustion engine still has a long life ahead as R&D boss, Klaus Froehlich, expressed the company’s commitment to ICEs for at least 30 more years. Some of the engines in low demand and/or expensive to produce will be gradually dropped, but BMW has vowed to sell diesels for 20 more years and gasoline engines for about 30.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...cid=spartandhp

[Lynn]

GM has a bit of history overstating objectives based on the enthusiasm of the day. I remember training at one of the GM tech schools here in OKC in 1979-80. We were told that by 1985 GM would be front wheel drive across the board; including pick up trucks. They obviously back peddled from that.

ICE will be with us for quite a while in one form or another.

[MagicRatt]

WOW.....kool thread to read. Lots of opinions and ideas about EV vs. ICE. I will never be a fan of any electric motor powered anything unless it's my HO train collection. Call me old school, that's fine. I did take notice that some folks on this board seem to be afraid of visiting gas stations. Someone mentioned(insert sarcasm here) something about watching a drag race in silence. I get it, just don't like the notion of it. Part of the driving thrill is the sounds and smell, even if it is only a ride to the gas pumps. I know I will flame out someday, but it won't be in an EV.

Rich

[Charley Lillard]

Gas will be around for a long time but the performance from electric is the main attraction for me. I love torque and electric comes out on top for low end seat of the pants torque.


Anyone into RC cars has probably had the gas powered ones and the electric ones. Electric has taken over. Curious what the market balance is between gas and electric RC cars.
I'm not afraid of visiting gas stations but given a choice I would just as soon skip them.

[Tenney]

Can't beat the sound of an Opel Kadett ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkbIKBfjGJE

[70 copo]

The Opel is angry no doubt about it.

For fun lets match the current EV record holder at Nurburgring - the Porsche Tycan Prototype against a 6 year old ICE car with a 14 year old technology based ICE engine.

I chose the old 2014 Z/28 (bad heads and all) for this match up because it is normally aspirated and has lap times that are closest to the current EV world record holder.

The times:

Porsche Tycan Prototype 7:42

Production Camaro Z/28 7:37







If you would rather drive the Porsche please explain why I have a genuine interest, and I am sure GM does as well

[70 copo]

After hot lapping in a Z/28 in Detroit I promptly nicknamed it the "chainsaw with a transmission"

The old LS7 is flat angry at RPM.

[JoeC]

this is an interesting article,
I think the only way to save the ICE long term is to go with a synthetic fuel and they can use Green energy to make the fuel


synthetic fuels can make combustion engines CO2-neutral


https://www.energydigital.com/sustai...es-co2-neutral

[70 copo]

Joe,

How can we make the production of EV's carbon neutral because currently producing an electric vehicle contributes, on average, twice as much to global warming potential and uses double the amount of energy than producing a combustion engine car.

So what do we need to do differently to EV's?

[Crush]

Originally Posted by 70 copo

After hot lapping in a Z/28 in Detroit I promptly nicknamed it the "chainsaw with a transmission"

The old LS7 is flat angry at RPM.

I agree every time I get mine out!!!
PS No “Head” issues