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Muncie Drive Gear - advice needed
Okay, so a few years ago, I had bought a rebuilt Muncie from Ed Hartnett and to detail it the way I want, I pulled the tail housing and side cover for refinishing. It has a 7 tooth plastic drive gear with the metal clip and for the combo I will be running I need to change it out for an 8-tooth 1.84 diameter.
Should I replace it with the plastic gear or the press-on steel drive gear? I realize the plastic gear is a weak link, but from what I've read, it is only is an issue if the speedo seizes. If I go with the steel gear, any issues pressing it on the output shaft using the input shaft as the support in a hydraulic press?
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Steve Nuwer 1970 Z28, Norwood 03A, 48 48, 723 Int, M20, COO, 2021 Legends Platinum restored 1970 L78, Norwood 04C, 17 17, 711 Int, M21, COO, born-with drivetrain project. 1972 Z28, Norwood 11C project, born-with drivetrain, 26 26, 775, M20, CGG project 1970 Z28, Norwood 05C, 48 G, 720 Int, M21, COZ, Original Unrestored (SOLD) www.2ndGenZ.com |
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The plastic gear isnt the weak link the clip is. and as you know you need to pull the tranny to replace it.
The metal gear solves this problem. It must be heated not hammered into place and placement is forward on the gear area on the shaft for drivers side cable. Or rearward on the gear area on the shaft for passenger side cable.
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"Knowledge is good" Emil Fabor 67 L/78 Camaro SS/RS H-H,1W,2LGSR,3SL,4K,5BY. (Sold) 70 L/78 Nova M-21,Black Cherry,Sandalwood Int. 09 Pontiac G8 GT Premium,Sport,Roof. Liquid Red. |
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True the clip is the weak link, but since the clip is only used with the plastic gear....anyway, so the metal gear cannot be pressed on and must be heated? The Speedo drive is Pass-side and my intent was to place the metal gear in the same spot as the existing gear, correct?
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Steve Nuwer 1970 Z28, Norwood 03A, 48 48, 723 Int, M20, COO, 2021 Legends Platinum restored 1970 L78, Norwood 04C, 17 17, 711 Int, M21, COO, born-with drivetrain project. 1972 Z28, Norwood 11C project, born-with drivetrain, 26 26, 775, M20, CGG project 1970 Z28, Norwood 05C, 48 G, 720 Int, M21, COZ, Original Unrestored (SOLD) www.2ndGenZ.com |
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The metal gear can be pressed but heating allows it to drop into place easily. use some masking tape for a stop. Once it cools its locked.
And yes same placement as plastic gear.
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"Knowledge is good" Emil Fabor 67 L/78 Camaro SS/RS H-H,1W,2LGSR,3SL,4K,5BY. (Sold) 70 L/78 Nova M-21,Black Cherry,Sandalwood Int. 09 Pontiac G8 GT Premium,Sport,Roof. Liquid Red. |
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Thanks Steve...appreciate the insight and I intended to mark the position of the plastic gear, but simple tape is a good idea. What temp do you suggest heating the drive gear...and my intent is to do so in an oven...not a torch
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Steve Nuwer 1970 Z28, Norwood 03A, 48 48, 723 Int, M20, COO, 2021 Legends Platinum restored 1970 L78, Norwood 04C, 17 17, 711 Int, M21, COO, born-with drivetrain project. 1972 Z28, Norwood 11C project, born-with drivetrain, 26 26, 775, M20, CGG project 1970 Z28, Norwood 05C, 48 G, 720 Int, M21, COZ, Original Unrestored (SOLD) www.2ndGenZ.com |
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I use a propane torch and needle nose Vise Grips. A torch wont hurt it, a good sizzle with a wet finger. Not red hot.
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"Knowledge is good" Emil Fabor 67 L/78 Camaro SS/RS H-H,1W,2LGSR,3SL,4K,5BY. (Sold) 70 L/78 Nova M-21,Black Cherry,Sandalwood Int. 09 Pontiac G8 GT Premium,Sport,Roof. Liquid Red. |
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Thanks Steve, much appreciated...I'll give it a whirl.
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Steve Nuwer 1970 Z28, Norwood 03A, 48 48, 723 Int, M20, COO, 2021 Legends Platinum restored 1970 L78, Norwood 04C, 17 17, 711 Int, M21, COO, born-with drivetrain project. 1972 Z28, Norwood 11C project, born-with drivetrain, 26 26, 775, M20, CGG project 1970 Z28, Norwood 05C, 48 G, 720 Int, M21, COZ, Original Unrestored (SOLD) www.2ndGenZ.com |
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The propane torch trick works great. I would probably just use a plastic gear. Millions in service without issue. |
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[QUOTE=novadude;1389454]Don't do this. The input shaft does not / will not support a thrust load from the rear output shaft. All the thrust will be taken up by the front and rear bearing if you do it this way.
This is good to know and I certainly don't want to cause unnecessary damage....very much appreciated.
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Steve Nuwer 1970 Z28, Norwood 03A, 48 48, 723 Int, M20, COO, 2021 Legends Platinum restored 1970 L78, Norwood 04C, 17 17, 711 Int, M21, COO, born-with drivetrain project. 1972 Z28, Norwood 11C project, born-with drivetrain, 26 26, 775, M20, CGG project 1970 Z28, Norwood 05C, 48 G, 720 Int, M21, COZ, Original Unrestored (SOLD) www.2ndGenZ.com |
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Use the steel gear, not a big fan of the torch method, I use a piece of 1 1/4" pipe about a ft. long and tap the gear into place, make sure the taper on the I.D. bore goes on first...
Been doing it that way for over 30 years... Hope this helps... Crash |
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