'69 Camaro RS/SS IPC Convertible Project Car, #s 350, Great Options

[scuncio]

Power windows, blue light stereo, etc - pretty well optioned car here.

The story is, this car was on its way to the paint shop when it was stuffed in the rear. Looks fixable. The question is - is it worth the $18k? I'm guessing market value is probably pretty close to that.

Link to 1969 Camaro IPC Convertible auction

[bergy]

05C on TT. I thought that they stopped at 05A

[William]

The trim tag date is when Fisher built the body and only a general indicator of final assembly date. Long-winded discussion here:

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=18209.0

Too bad. That's a hard hit and judging by the door gaps, chassis is bent.

[MosportGreen66]

Tilt column, gauges/console, deluxe interior... she's got options!

[x44d80]

At least the seller is honest about the bent rear frame rails.

[resto4u]

price is too high for the damage. You will buy a nice one for less than to fix this one. 10-12k would be fair. collision and restoration work.

[70 copo]

Originally Posted by William

The trim tag date is when Fisher built the body and only a general indicator of final assembly date. Long-winded discussion here:

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=18209.0

Too bad. That's a hard hit and judging by the door gaps, chassis is bent.

Did you get the VIN yet?

Assuming that Z-11 production really ended in the 0-5A-05-B timeframe I would lean towards the idea of a key punch error on the IBM card.

Assuming the VIN corresponds to 05-C then current data based production assumptions may need a second look.

[bergy]

Check DB, but I believe that particular body number is pretty high for early/mid May build. I know that body numbers are assigned at data entry, but isn't that one kinda high for actual 05C build?

[William]

Way high. Other dealer orders in that range have 05E/06A tag dates and were final-assembled May 29-June 9.

Had a list price approaching $5000, a ton back in the day. Maybe a Zone car or ordered for a celebrity.

Do not have VIN.

[70 copo]

I just got off the phone with the production supervisor who worked the Chevrolet cycle bank in 1969 This guy is in his 80's and still sharp as a tack. He offered some helpful commentary on this topic.

Enjoy! I find asking these questions and the answers to be a refreshing dose of common sense.

"Don't over think this situation. The punch cards were cards created by key punchers in advance, that's true and there could be small errors here and there but in those days Fisher was a subcontractor to Chevrolet and as such Chevrolet was constantly looking to back charge Fisher for anything that did not pass muster at the 72 hour planning meeting. On the date issue the dates were not that fluid the usual date was part of Fisher's internal tracking system for the coach build so being incorrect as a part of doing business would cause havoc on both sides of the plant, so I just do not see that happening"

"When the Fisher coach arrived from Fisher Body at the Chevrolet cycle bank that is when we started calling it a body. The console operator at receipt inspection would first enter the production sequence number into the computer, while the console operator is entering the production sequence number and the body number off the body plate the computer then adjusted the RPO listing and parts needed for the build that was already entered in the mainframe at the conclusion of the 72 hour planning meeting when the build of the car was given the go-a-head. The arriving bodies were then simultaneously assigned and then stamped with the federally mandated Vehicle Identification Number “VIN” in Hidden areas on the body. The VIN information was then added to the build sequence number and the body number as an additional data field for the RPO content broadcast. There had to be computer agreement or the body would be rejected on the spot and Fisher would be on the carpet until resolved. You see major errors caught by Chevrolet would have the potential to cost Fisher big as a charge back so any build deviation was approved in advance at the 72 hour planning meeting, and was therefore part of regular production and not considered a deviation to General Motors".