From the pres.

[camarojoe]

Thanks LV, That post pretty much sums it up perfectly. Indeed you can't please everyone all the time, nor do we even try to. No one has ever been banned here without plenty of discussion among ALL the moderators AND administrators. Sorry that the other 10,000 members don't get a vote on every decision that's made here, but show me a site where they do. As Steve noted, no one has to like the decisions made here, hell I don't agree with everything that happens here either, but that's just how it is. There is no rule that says you have to stay here if the site isn't something you support or agree with. Several have left only to realize the grass isn't any greener on the other side of the fence either.

I think the majority of folks are happy with the way things are run around here. I also believe there is a bigger number of folks that should be glad they still have posting previleges than any list of people that have banned unjustly. Thanks to everyone who supports the site, and the work everyone does to keep it running smooothly.

[sYc]

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Let's all not forget that membership and participation on this forum board is a privilege...not a right. The fact remains that the Mods here have unilateral authority to censor and/or ban anyone here without conditions or group discussion...that's just the way it is here. I don't agree with some of the decisions that the Mods have made, but at the end of the day that just doesn't matter. It's aggravating when that happens, but my options are: [1] quit participating here, or [2] just suck it up and get over it [there are dozens of other muscle car forum boards that we can choose from to read and/or post].

These Internet forum discussion boards come in all flavors and colors. Some are run a lot looser [more tolerant] than the sYc board by management, then others are much tighter [less tolerant] than this board...so we can pick from the many forum boards we feel most comfortable being a part of. Our Mods don't get it right every time, so the ol' adage: "some of the people, some of the time" is about as good as they're gonna do. There are 10,000 sYc forum members that have an opinion about our Mod's every decision, but I doubt that our Mods are gonna please them all. I notice some members that seem chronically in disagreement about how this board is run...what I don't understand is why they persist in frequenting a forum board that they so often find fault.

We likely all have a buddy that's been censored/banned at this forum site and we'd like to reverse/modify the Mod's decision, but the fact remains that we just don't have that ability. It may sound harsh and even unreasonable, but that's just the way it is here [and most all the other Internet forum boards]. Each of our memberships here were preceded by an agreement to abide by the rules of management. I don't believe our Mod's make knee-jerk decisions regarding censorship/banishment of a member here thoughtlessly or with intent to further their own personal/secret agenda, but even if I did think that...my options still remain the same as stated above. I just don't think it's fair or beneficial for anyone to make a forum post voicing your discontent about a decision our Mods make...I think that only serves to cause the Mods to dig their heels in even deeper. Nobody likes to be second guessed by someone else on the open forum board, so IMO it's much better to voice our opinion or objection via PM or private email.

I communicated with Tom Clary today about his post above and some general forum board policies and/or philosophies. During that discussion, I sensed that Tom and Rob are becoming pretty tired from their unending personal time spent to maintain our board. Tom has personally selected his Mods and management team here and reminded me that he absolutely supports his team and the decisions they make during the course of monitoring this forum site, unconditionally. I know Tom pretty well and I truly believe that he's becoming disenchanted and even aggravated by some of the recent bickering, whining, second-guessing and personal attacks between some forum members. Tom gave birth to this site more than 10 years ago and continues to make considerable personal sacrifices to keep our board in business. I'm not trying to post/speak in Tom's behalf here [he's quite able to speak for himself], I'm just sharing insight based upon my discussion with Tom today. I would just hate to see the day that Tom throws his hands up and pulls the plug because the forum board became a heartache and headache that he prefers to do without.

Thanks Tom & Rob for all you do here.

SS
[I just noticed Jim's post above..."keyboard commandos" is a good way to put it]

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Steve, great post. Pretty much sums it up, though a couple of folks still "do not get it".

[Salvatore]

Tom, you are the boss. Its your Site. Like Joe says nobody is twisting anybodys arm to hang around. I also believe everybody here gets it, it is just opinions which we all have and friends sticking up for friends.

[sYc]

Sam, I totally understand, and respect, friends sticking up for friends, but often times when this is done, only half of the story is known. That is the case with your “racing friend”.

More times then not, when someone is banned, the first thing they do is threaten to take legal action against the site. Trust me, if one wants to really piss us off, and make their chances of ever getting back on the site slim, do that.

Also, I know friends think they are helping by continuing to make posts after post about so and so being banned, but in reality, hurts more then it helps.

[SmallHurst]

As the metro member of the Hillbilly Racing Team, I am proud to say that I am a member of this board. A big thank you to all of the people who support the board, the member that operate the board, and the moderators who have to wield the ruler and maintain order.

As most of you know, I never try to get anyones tighty-whities tied in a knot, but sometimes stuff like that happens. If I ever do anything wrong, I only ask that it is explained what I did that offended because sometimes the self recognition fails to kick in. I enjoy jokes on others and I am able to laugh at myself (and yes, there are plenty of items for fodder!) Lets remember one thing, cars are simply pieces of machinery and a common bond between all of us. Cars can be replaced much easier than friendships.

I am a memeber of the board and I have reviewed my message before pushing send!!!!

[LVCamaro]

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Tom, you are the boss. Its your Site. Like Joe says nobody is twisting anybodys arm to hang around.

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hey Sam...lol...it took me 4 paragraphs and 30 minutes to say what you said in 3 sentences.

SS

[PxTx]

Steve, you wrote it first and did a nice job. As the old saying goes, If I had mroe time, I would have written less...

[Salvatore]

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Tom, you are the boss. Its your Site. Like Joe says nobody is twisting anybodys arm to hang around.

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hey Sam...lol...it took me 4 paragraphs and 30 minutes to say what you said in 3 sentences.

SS

[/ QUOTE ]That is because I am Italian and run out of words faster than you Steve!

[musclecarjohn]

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The offer still stands if you need any extra help moderating...

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Personally,I'm surprised you aren't a mod here Bruce,you're the best ambassador I can think of...

This site is probably the most mature,intelligent car-related site on the net,I'm not sure what the problem is...

[1967 Impala]

"This site is probably the most mature,intelligent car-related site on the net,I'm not sure what the problem is..."

My thoughts FWIW exactly