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The orange paint on the bracket appears to be spatter from when the engine was painted when new. At least that what it looks like to me.
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Here is another unpainted.
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And the final tallies are in:
50 for and 50 against......... You be the judge!!
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Component Camaro Nationals Seminar MacNeish Book AIR adjusting brace: Semi-gloss black Black paint, 60 percent gloss AIR anti-backfire valves: Gold cadium Gold cadium dichromate AIR pump support brace: Chevrolet orange paint Chevrolet orange paint AIR pump bolt: Phosphate (not specified) AIR smog pump housing: Natural aluminum finish Natural aluminum finish AIR smog pump pulley: Phosphate Semi-gloss black paint or gray phosphate AIR smog tubes: Black zinc Semi-gloss black paint or gold cadium dichromate Air cleaner base, open element: gloss black 60 percent gloss black paint Air cleaner lid, standard open element: Chrome Chrome Air cleaner stud: Silver cadium (not specified) Alternator assembly: Natural aluminum finish Natural aluminum finish Alternator pulley: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate Alternator fan, 1967 Z/28: Semi-gloss black paint Semi-gloss black paint Alternator bolt, lower: Phosphate (not specified) Alternator bolt, upper adjusting: Silver radium with special extra thick washer (not specified) Alternator Brackets, lower/upper: Semi-gloss black orange (not specified) Alternator brackets, lower (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint Alternator brackets, upper (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint Alternator brackets, rear: (not specified) Chevrolet orange paint Alternator bracket spacer: Semi-gloss black or natural 30-60 percent gloss black paint Battery hold-down clamp: Phosphate Natural metal finish Battery tray: Semi-gloss black 30 percent gloss black paint Bell housing: Natural with orange over-spray Chevrolet orange paint Bell crank, throttle linkage: (not specified) 30 percent gloss black paint Brake hose bracket: (not specified) Natural metal or silver cadium dichromate Brake lines: (not specified) Natural metal finish, stainless steel acceptable Brake switch/manifold: (not specified) Natural metal finish Bumper brackets, front and rear: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint Bumper jack base: (not specified) Semi-gloss gray paint Bumper jack adapter: (not specified) Semi-gloss gray paint Bumper jack mechanism: (not specified) Semi-gloss gray paint Bumper jack pole: (not specified) Gold or silver cadium dichromate By-pass elbow (water pump 67-68 302): (not specified) Silver or gold cadium dichromate acceptable Carburetor body: Gold dichromate Gold cadium dichromate Carburetor lever and arms: Gold cadium on Holley (not specified) Clutch fork: Natural metal finish Natural metal finish Clutch linkage: Phosphate Semi-gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable Coil bracket: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate Coil: gloss black (not specified) Coil bracket mounting bolts: Silver cadium (not specified) Column locking mechanism: (not specified) 30 percent gloss black paint Control arms, front, upper and lower: Semi-gloss black 30 percent gloss black paint Control arms, mounting bolts: Phosphate with silver cadium nuts (not specified) Control arm shaft, upper: Natural 30 percent gloss black paint Core support: Semi-gloss black 30 percent gloss black paint Cowl plenum air cleaner assembly: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint Cylinder heads: Chevrolet orange paint Chevrolet orange paint Dashboard, top, 1967-68: (not specified) 30 percent gloss paint Deck lid striker, 1967 all: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate Dip stick and tube: (not specified) Natural metal finish Disc brake caliper mounting brackets (not specified) Gold cadium dichromate Disc brake backing plates: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate Disc brake calipers: (not specified) Semi-gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable Distributor: Natural Natural aluminum finish Distributor hold-down bracket: Natural Chevrolet orange paint or natural metal finish Door latch mechanism screws, (three in door) 1967: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate Door striker: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate Drive shaft: (not specified) Natural metal finish Engine block: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint Engine lift hooks: Natural Chevrolet orange paint Engine vent tube: Semi-gloss black 60 percent gloss black paint Exhaust manifolds: Natural Natural cast iron finish Fan blade: gloss black Black paint, approximately 60 percent gloss Fan clutch assembly: Natural Natural metal, silver or gold cadium dichromate Fender bolts: Phosphate Black phosphate Fender skirts, front: Semi-gloss black 30 percent semi-gloss black paint Firewall: Semi-flat black 30 percent semi-gloss black paint Firewall stamps "P", "T", "B": orange or green paint orange or green paint, Norwood cars only Floor pans: (not specified) 30 percent gloss black paint, original cars usually have body color over spray on the floor boards Flywheel shield: (not specified) Chevrolet orange paint Front springs: (not specified) Natural finish Front cowl area under cowl panel: (not specified) body color to edge of firewall, where firewall and body color meet is a feathered line, not a crisp taped line Front cowl panel retaining screws: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate Front fender support bars: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint Front spindles: (not specified) Natural metal finish Front sway bar mounting kits: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate Gas lines: (not specified) Natural metal finish Gas tank: (not specified) Natural finish, galvanized Gas tank straps: (not specified) Natural or semi-gloss black paint Grille, front 1967 RS and non-RS: (not specified) Black Ground straps, engine bay: Natural copper Natural copper finish Harmonic Balancer: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint Heater box cover: gloss black 60-70 percent gloss black paint, (more gloss than firewall) Heater hose nipple Intake: , Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate Heater hose nipples, water pump: Chevrolet orange (not specified) Hood hinges: Phosphate gray or black phosphate Hood latch assembly: Phosphate gray or black phosphate Hood latch assembly spring: (not specified) gloss black paint Horns: gloss black 30 percent gloss black paint Horn relay: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate Hose clamps: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate Intake manifold: Natural aluminum Natural aluminum finish (clear coating intake manifolds not acceptable!) Intake manifold bolts, 302 "TR", "M", "A", non-shouldered hex head style: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate "L" bracket, (holds master cylinder manifold/switch to stud on brake booster): (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint Leaf spring shackles: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black License plate mounting brackets: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint Master cylinder: Semi-gloss black 60 percent gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable Master cylinder cover: Gold cadium Gold cadium dichromate Master cylinder cover retaining wires: Silver cadium Natural metal finish Oil cap: Chrome Chrome Oil fill tube: Chrome Chrome Oil pan and bolts: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint Parking brake cables: (not specified) Natural metal finish Power brake booster: Gold iridite Gold cadium dichromate Power steering brackets/braces: Semi-gloss black 60 percent gloss black paint Power steering pump: gloss black (not specified) Proportioning valve: Natural or semi-gloss black Semi-gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable Proportioning valve bracket: Gold cadium Gold cadium dichromate Pulley, crankshaft: Natural 60 percent gloss black paint or gray phosphate acceptable Pulley, power steering: Semi-gloss black (not specified) Pulley, power steering crankshaft (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint Pulley, power steering pump: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint Pulley, water pump: Semi-gloss black gray phosphate or 60 percent gloss black paint Radiator: gloss black paint full gloss black paint Rally wheels: (not specified) Semi-gloss Argent Silver paint front side, semi-gloss black paint back side Rear axle housing: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black paint, natural finish acceptable Rear brake backing plates: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black paint Rear springs: (not specified) Natural finish or gray paint Rear wheel wells: (not specified) Black undercoating Shift linkage: (not specified) gray/black phosphate finish Shock absorbers: (not specified) Semi-gloss gray paint Spark plug shields: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate Spark plug wire loom brackets: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint Starter motor: Semi-gloss black 30-60 percent gloss black paint Starter motor brace: Semi-gloss black 30-60 percent gloss black paint Starter bolts: Silver cadium (not specified) Steering box: (not specified) Natural metal finish Steering knuckles: (not specified) Natural metal finish Steering linkage: (not specified) Natural metal finish Sub-frame: (not specified) 30 percent gloss black paint Sway bar, front: (not specified) Semi-gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable Sway bar brackets: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint Thermostat housing: Natural aluminum Silver or Chevrolet orange paint Throttle linkage: Phosphate (not specified) Throttle rod: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate or natural metal finish Timing chain cover and bolts: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint Traction bar, 1967 only: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black paint Transmission: (not specified) Natural aluminum finish Transmission crossmember: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black paint U-bolts, driveshaft: (not specified) Natural metal finish Underside of front hood: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint Valance panel, front lower: (not specified) painted body color on inside of panel Valve covers: Chrome Chrome Voltage regulator: gloss black painted cover with silver cadium base gloss black painted cover with silver cadium base Water pump: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint Water pumps bolts: Chevrolet orange (not specified) Windshield washer pump cover: Black plastic, natural finish Black plastic, natural finish Wiper motor: gloss black paint gloss black paint Back to top
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Good quote on Jerry's book, I should buy it for a barometer, I'm curious on the rear my BE 12 bolt looks like the tubes are painted but the center natural and rear cover as well, who knows.....
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Here is a pic of a supposedly real Tonawanda DZ engine and supposed POP for the car.
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Good quote on Jerry's book, I should buy it for a barometer, I'm curious on the rear my BE 12 bolt looks like the tubes are painted but the center natural and rear cover as well, who knows..... [/ QUOTE ] John Z, who was there, has stated that rear axles were painted black complete with drums. Lines and cables added later, yoke was masked. There are a number of axle photos in vintage car magazine tests and the axles look shiny black. One of the best is ZL-1 #3 in the Aug '69 HP Cars. Remember this stuff was not cleaned, degreased or primed prior to paint. I doubt the paint adhered for long.
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Not to switch from paint vs. bare hooks for sb. There was a thread on Camaros.net a few weeks ago with the shape of the driver side hook for bb. There was one with a gusset at the bend in the bracket and rounded corners at the upper edge, one had no gusset and sharp corners, and one like in the pics above with rounded corners and no gussets. No resolution as to what years might have gotten what, except that I'm fairly certain mine (which are like the above pics) are for 69.
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[ QUOTE ] Good quote on Jerry's book, I should buy it for a barometer, I'm curious on the rear my BE 12 bolt looks like the tubes are painted but the center natural and rear cover as well, who knows..... [/ QUOTE ] John Z, who was there, has stated that rear axles were painted black complete with drums. Lines and cables added later, yoke was masked. There are a number of axle photos in vintage car magazine tests and the axles look shiny black. One of the best is ZL-1 #3 in the Aug '69 HP Cars. Remember this stuff was not cleaned, degreased or primed prior to paint. I doubt the paint adhered for long. [/ QUOTE ] I love pics! they speak a thousand words, memory can be short I do have a couple pics of a build sheet stuck to rear cover not painted??? adds question, I did note one on here as well, so what we would be saying is they painted the housings before assembly??? cover added after, that does not make sence to me either, I agree pics are the best source and the older or closer to build time is best, I looked at another 10 bolt car all original today it was black, you could still see most on diff, so
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Back on topic... In general,here's what I believe happened,that may help answer a few questions that have been brought up,but by no means should this be taken as Verbatim. The beginning of the engine dress line was a sea of racks full of engines and transmissions:small-block V-8's from Flint V-8 Engine and Tonawanda,big-block V-8's from Tonawanda,and L-6 engines from Flint Motor,plus manual transmissions from Saginaw and Muncie and automatics from Toledo,Cleveland,Warren,and Willow Run. In the engine schedule area,the operator grabbed the next broadcast copy from the printer,verified the sequence number,noted the engine code required for that car,and moved an air-powered overhead hoist on traveling bridge rails over the correct engine rack.The specified engine was hoisted * out of the rack and transferred to the next hook on the overhead engine dress line conveyor,where the throwout bearing (on manuals) was greased and installed,along with the clutch fork boot.Another operator on the other side of the line repeated the process with the specified transmission, which was then installed and bolted to the engine.On automatics,an air tool was used to rotate the flexplate,and the converter bolts were driven,followed by the lower cover. The VIN derivative numbers were stamped in the next operation on both the engine pad and the transmission,using a gang-stamp holder and a dead blow hammer.From here on,all the crucial detail dress ornaments were added like plug wires,coil,engine harness,battery cables,carburetor,pulleys,alternator,starter,fan and clutch,A/C compressor,power steering pump,transmission cooler lines and fill tube,A.I.R. pump,diverter valve and air manifolds,drive belts,dipstick and tube,oil filter,engine and transmission mounts,PCV plumbing,vacuum fittings,fuel pump and fuel line,radiator hoses,and (if applicable) the transmission-mounted 4-speed manual shifter and linkage was installed and adjusted (3-speed manual floor shifters were mounted on the cross-member and adjusted later on the Chassis line). Engine oil and transmission lube were added,and the completed engine/transmission assembly was conveyed to the chassis line for installation in the subframe.The engine line inspector wrote the engine,transmission and carburetor codes on the broadcast copy and put the sheet in a box for pickup by the scheduling clerk,which was needed to create the Protecto-O-Plate at the end of the assembly line. *The front & rear engine pull hooks were most likely installed before this moment,to allow many of the procedures that followed to take place. [/ QUOTE ] That's exactly how it was done, lifted directly from my "First-Generation Camaro Assembly Process" paper at http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml ; however, the engine lift brackets were installed at the engine plants, and were part of the engine as-shipped to the car assembly plants. My Group at the Chevrolet Pilot Line in Flint developed the engine lift brackets in 1967 for the 1968 model year, and the corresponding plant engine hooks used on the Engine Dress Lines. Photo below shows the typical assortment of engine hooks required in an assembly plant prior to 1968 for carrying various engines by the exhaust manifolds on the left, and the only two hooks required for 1968 engines on the right. There were constant battles with the Finance people for the first couple of years over leaving the brackets on the engines vs. removing them at the assembly plants after engine installation and returning them to the engine plants for re-use; this direction changed several times, and eventually they were left on the engines.
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