1970 BB Nova - Page 2

**Grim70** · #11 02-20-2013, 04:31 AM

Does anyone have a picture of an original Radiator Shroud. Today I came across one in a guys pile of parts I was looking through. It looks old enough to be original. I'm traveling and cant post a picture.

**YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY** · #12 02-20-2013, 05:18 PM

Schoneye, sure its not '69 Rally Green?

**Mr70** · #13 02-20-2013, 05:35 PM

I looked @ a 1970 coded 96 NGFM Caddy recently and it had a hint of metallic in it.

Here's a reference..
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedis...96&rows=150

Schonyenko2 · #14 02-20-2013, 05:57 PM

Firemist Caddy colors have more vivid metallics than non firemist. It's the way they mixed the laquer back then.
While I won't say never, I don't know that I've seen a -- special pnt application from a previous year that wasn't repeated during the production year run and then it probably wasn't a special pnt. For instance, Huggar orange was -- in 69 on Novas, RPO on 70s
I can't recall ever seeing it in reverse. Most times it's a cross brand, to a Caddy color that's why I believe it's NHG.
There's a purple 70 on SNS also a BB I believe that crosses over to a Caddy firemist color. I'd guess he may have wanted Mopar plum crazy, and this was the best they could offer. Don't know

**Grim70** · #15 02-20-2013, 08:01 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I looked @ a 1970 coded 96 NGFM Caddy recently and it had a hint of metallic in it.

Here's a reference..
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedis...96&rows=150 </div></div>

I've looked at those caddy examples and it looks darker than my car. Although if you look at the one example on that site it seems more vibrant. Otherwise I also thought 69 rally green.

**Grim70** · #16 02-23-2013, 07:10 PM

Found this on another site, thought it was some good reading.....http://www.elcaminocentral.com/archi...p/t-21134.html

A dash (--) just means non-standard paint color.

Read this it will explain more.......

fyi

This is his responses to questions back in 2002.

GM Special Paint info from web site discussions by Jim Mattison (former COPO office at Chevrolet) and owner of Pontiac Historical Services.

Wow!!! It appears that there is a lot of interest in the special paint process. I'll do my best to answer most all of everyone’s questions.

First, back in the late 60s and early 70s anyone could order their new Chevy with a special color. Literally any color under the rainbow was available, except for the Cadillac Fire mist colors.

The pricing for a solid color "Special Paint" would vary between no charge and $125.00. Volume would dictate the pricing.

If the customer was a fleet account, or if the dealer would order multiple vehicles in the same color, the pricing would be n/c. However, if the dealer would order a single unit, the pricing could go as high as $125, with various prices in between, based on many other factors.

Some of the other conditions that would require a car order to come through my group was: "Delete Stripes" on a Z-28, Chevelle SS, or other model with painted stripes. Colors that were current production, but on a different model, would also require our approval. We did lots of cars in "Hugger Orange" that normally didn't come in that color as n/c. Also, you wouldn't believe the number of Chevrolets that were painted the popular 1968-69 Pontiac color, "Verdoro Green"! I even remember a fair number of cars being ordered in the 1970 Chrysler color "Plum Crazy"!

It's too bad that I can't get to the Supercar Reunion this year and answer many of your questions in person. It would be so much easier to explain in more detail. However, with the production on the F-body coming to a close, GM has me scheduled to go to the Corvette Museum and represent both Chevy and Pontiac on the same weekend at the Camaro-Firebird Gathering, in Bowling Green, Kentucky.

It appears that your car was special ordered through the Chevrolet Fleet & Special Order Department (many of you folks call it the COPO Group).

During the years that I was a part of this group, we processed many orders for vehicles with special paint. Although these vehicles were ordered with "special paint", they are not considered to be COPO cars. I'm surprised that more of these "special paint" cars haven't shown-up, as many of these orders were for performance cars.

The paint information (926-99568) that you have on both the build sheet and on the trim tag "is" in fact a Dupont paint number. I don't understand why your local Dupont folks can't identify it for you. The "926" denotes that the color is a non-metallic and the "99568" is the mixing formula. While this color may in fact be for Daytona Yellow, it could also be for some other yellow, including a truck color, or a yellow from another car manufacturer. The paint information that was stamped on your trim tag was supposed to be able to assist you or your body shop to identify the "special paint" color, if repair or re-painting was needed at a later date.

If your local paint supplier cannot identify the paint code, I'd give them a piece of this original paint, from an area that has not been exposed to the elements. Hopefully they can scan the color and provide you with a proper match.

Let me know if I can be of any other help to decipher the color.

Jim Mattison

The prefix "767" denotes that the color is Dupont metallic wheel enamel. Non-metallic wheel enamel would be "766".

I am reasonably sure that I didn't process this order, and yes, the entire wheel on this Chevelle SS would have been painted gold. Some of the guys in my group didn't take the time to think about the possibility of a car having some type of sport wheels. You have to remember that the majority of our business was that of police cars, taxis and municipal vehicles, which came with the standard steel wheels. Occasionally, the plant would call and question the painting instructions, but not all that often!

The next five (5) digits are for the mixing formula of the paint. While I'm not 100% sure, I believe that "98457" is the mixing formula for Anniversary Gold, which has been used on a variety of Chevy’s over the years, to commemorate various anniversaries.

On your other Chevelle, the mixing formula "99616" is for what we used to call "Road Commission Orange". This was a very popular special order color on trucks, but some cars were ordered with it too! Mostly on "hot rods"!!!

The "1001HA" is the pricing code for the special paint. The charges for a solid color special paint would vary from no charge (1001AA) to $125.00 (1001HA). We would paint a vehicle any color under the rainbow except for the Cadillac Firemist colors and Corvette colors. Our special paint book would have thousands of special colors in it, with more being added weekly. Unfortunately, those days are gone forever!!!

I can still remember the cars that we special painted "Kelly Green" for John Delorean, when he was general manager of Chevy and dating Kelly Harmon. Lots of special "Pink" cars for Nancy Sinatra, too!!!

F&SO "RD0066" refers to the document number for the special order instructions. My department assigned these numbers. This order was the 66th at this plant for the 1970 model year. I believe that the "R" is for the GM Assembly Plant in Arlington, Texas?

I hope that this information is helpful.

Jim Mattison

The Cadillac Firemist colors were excluded due to them having such a course metallic. These colors needed to be sprayed through a special paint gun. Even on a Cadillac, the Firemist paint was quite a costly option!

As for book........... I'll be the first to confess that I thoroughly enjoyed the years that I spent at Chevrolet. Lots of things were going on! It was a time in the automotive industry that we will never see again, as the industry has changed so dramatically!

Schonyenko2 · #17 02-23-2013, 10:20 PM

I won't argue with Jim M. He was there I wasn't. I would like to hear from someone though that had a (example) 70 nova, chevelle etc painted a 69-68 color and had paperwork for it. I've only seen same year crossovers. Otherwise I think you'd have seen a lot of 70 Lemans blue cars.
I have heard of cars that came to dealerships in primer, then were painted. I can't prove that.
There are a lot of things we know, and don't know, along with exceptions to the rule. That's why we try to sort it out here.

**BLACKLS5** · #18 02-24-2013, 12:09 AM

Mike Carlton has a 1970 L78 Chevelle that is Lemans Blue. He has the build sheet that notes the special paint color. He goes by 704ever on the Team Chevelle site and is a member he also I believe.

**Grim70** · #19 02-24-2013, 01:16 AM

It's hard to tell, I can't find many examples of NGFM. I think it could be. If you look at these it could be.

Has anyone ever seen Green like this on another Nova from the Factory?

http://www.vetteweb.com/features/vem...r/viewall.html

http://automotivemileposts.com/blog/200910.html

Schonyenko2 · #20 02-24-2013, 02:38 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BLACKLS5</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Mike Carlton has a 1970 L78 Chevelle that is Lemans Blue. He has the build sheet that notes the special paint color. He goes by 704ever on the Team Chevelle site and is a member he also I believe. </div></div>

Very good. First I've ever heard about. We've now established it's possible.

I have the old dupont paint chip book I bought new in 70. In looking for a color that matches yours in 70, NHG is about as close as it gets in GM. If you put that chip beside RG the NHG is a touch darker and brighter due to the firemist.
Now if you can, and it appears you can drop back a year, maybe it is RG. That's what cool about this site. You learn something new all the time.
Hell, for years I thought that factory L89 Novas were possible. (big smile)