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Old 10-09-2024, 06:56 PM
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Mr. Mattison actually suggested that, shocking!
Hey Jim, why stop there, drop in an LS motor too 🙄
He was adamant about it actually. Maybe the beverage he was drinking at dinner that evening?

A 4 speed or an LS is going will never happen during my ownership.
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2.74 first gear for more bottom end punch and OD for cruising with ease as well as less wear and tear. As a bonus it literally bolts right in with nothing more than moving the crossmember back.
A win on many levels.
So...2004R is the same length as a PG..?? Would a good TH350 be an option as well...it has a 2.52 first gear?? Of course, then there is no O/D.

Will you be able to use the stock driveshaft??

It is a great looking car
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So...2004R is the same length as a PG..?? Would a good TH350 be an option as well...it has a 2.52 first gear?? Of course, then there is no O/D.

Will you be able to use the stock driveshaft??

It is a great looking car
Same length. Yes a Turbo 350 will work fine too but if your going to swap, why not have overdrive? The most important thing with the 200 (and 700) is proper TV cable set up. If not done correctly will smoke the trans in no time.
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So if someone wanted to modify this cool old ‘65 muscle car from it’s stock 2 speed Jetaway to a whatever 3 speed auto, or overdrive unit what happens to the factory steering column and shift indicator window ??

How far does one butcher a classic?

Sorry for my vent, but I have seen this happen way to often on these types of cars.
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So if someone wanted to modify this cool old ‘65 muscle car from it’s stock 2 speed Jetaway to a whatever 3 speed auto, or overdrive unit what happens to the factory steering column and shift indicator window ??

How far does one butcher a classic?

Sorry for my vent, but I have seen this happen way to often on these types of cars.

People who have the done the swap generally use the Lokar linkage kit. as far as the shift indicator lens, I would leave it alone as well as the column as I wouldn't be shifting it. I'd want it to be a swap that wouldn't permanently alter anything whatsoever.

Nothing is decided yet. The Jetaway might stay. We'll see...
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People who have the done the swap generally use the Lokar linkage kit. as far as the shift indicator lens, I would leave it alone as well as the column as I wouldn't be shifting it. I'd want it to be a swap that wouldn't permanently alter anything whatsoever.

Nothing is decided yet. The Jetaway might stay. We'll see...
I have used products from Shiftworks....they make quality stuff.

https://shiftworks.com/collections/c...s/column-shift

looks like the universal unit is for you...they even have indicator plates you can swap in.
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I have a strong purist streak in me, but transmissions, particularly 2sp automatics, are such an inhibitor of performance and driving enjoyment, that I’m in favor of substitutions that don’t involve much in the way of tunnel or frame mods. Swapping a 2004r for a PG/Jetaway/Super Turbine 300 is such a transformative modification that nobody can really see if you execute it properly. Also, 2004R gives vintage BOP guys a bolt on transmission options without adapters or anything. It is literally adding a new low and a new high gear to the mix. Functionally this will improve performance more than most bolt ons and make highway driving less stressful on the car (and you). I feel the same way about upgrading steering boxes for faster ratio and better feel. Getting the linkage right and making the gear indicator appear factory is part of the challenge, but also part of the fun in finessing a solution that looks period correct and proper. My friend put a Borgeson power steering box in his 50k original mile ‘67 Fairlane GT because he got tired of fighting Ford external units and loved how the Borgesons drove. He painted everything to match, used OEM style hoses, used a correct Ford pump and even Ford guys don’t notice it unless you point it out.
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I have a strong purist streak in me, but transmissions, particularly 2sp automatics, are such an inhibitor of performance and driving enjoyment, that I’m in favor of substitutions that don’t involve much in the way of tunnel or frame mods. Swapping a 2004r for a PG/Jetaway/Super Turbine 300 is such a transformative modification that nobody can really see if you execute it properly. Also, 2004R gives vintage BOP guys a bolt on transmission options without adapters or anything. It is literally adding a new low and a new high gear to the mix. Functionally this will improve performance more than most bolt ons and make highway driving less stressful on the car (and you). I feel the same way about upgrading steering boxes for faster ratio and better feel. Getting the linkage right and making the gear indicator appear factory is part of the challenge, but also part of the fun in finessing a solution that looks period correct and proper. My friend put a Borgeson power steering box in his 50k original mile ‘67 Fairlane GT because he got tired of fighting Ford external units and loved how the Borgesons drove. He painted everything to match, used OEM style hoses, used a correct Ford pump and even Ford guys don’t notice it unless you point it out.
Agree with everything you said. I'm sure the car will feel like it gained a bunch of horsepower by just doing this simple swap. It's very tempting.
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Congrats on the 4 4 2! Great color combo!
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Congrats! Very clean and great looking car.
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