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Default 69 Camaro BB blacked out panel?

Hello,

Could someone please provide me with the correct paint code for the blacked out rear panel on a 69 Camaro SS 396?
Also, how far down exactly does the black paint go down?

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Default Re: 69 Camaro BB blacked out panel?

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No answer ......no CODE I've ever read about.

Some very experienced shops maintain tail panel is "same as" Z-28 stripes and rocker panel black.

Pretty sure Charley has owned a Yellow Survivor 69 SS Big Block with survivor Gloss Black Rear Panel.
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Highly debated topic. I'm in the more satin camp based on what I found on my SS. It seems like a political debate. Everyone who doesn't agree with me is wrong lol...
Check out this thread over at CRG. It should shed some light for you. Here are a couple of pics of the most original paint I could imagine.

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=2458.0



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Every original paint black tail panel car i have ever seen is gloss black . The paint lacks luster over the years but the tell tail is when you roll up the trunk weatherstrip the paint is gloss black inside ... KP
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Do you consider this gloss? This is what I found on mine.



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From a guy who was there...

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Re: black on tailpan on ss cars

Reply #21 on: June 16, 2009, 10:23:49 AM

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I'll go against the grain with this one too - I saw hundreds of them coming down the line at Norwood iin February and March of 1969, and I never saw one that was gloss black."
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Default Re: 69 Camaro BB blacked out panel?

IMHO, I don't think those pics hold up very well, in either point of the discussion. While a great pic of the black and HO , I hardly believe the HO is a semi-gloss finish also. It has aged as much as the black and shows the same luster. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]


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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 68l30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMHO, I don't think those pics hold up very well, in either point of the discussion. While a great pic of the black and HO , I hardly believe the HO is a semi-gloss finish also. It has aged as much as the black and shows the same luster. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]


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What about the ad pic and the fact that John was actually there? The pic of the HO on my car would have shown more of its glossiness if I had angled the camera in that direction. I was getting the best pic possible of the sheen of the black. I don't debate that a few might have been painted gloss for whatever reason, but I think a majority of what a few people are calling original gloss is just highly waxed and or buffed out satin from well taken care of/babied survivors.
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To add to what I just wrote above, I decided it was time to put this debate to rest, so I contacted Jim Mattison to get the straight poop on this subject. Here's what he had to say (submitted with his permission):
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In 1968 through 1971, I was a member of the Fleet &amp; Special Order Department
(the collectors call it COPO) at Chevrolet Central Office, in Detroit. A part of
my daily duties was to approve or disapprove special paint requests, in addition
to handling the other COPO requests. I would innerface with the folks at Dupont
and at the assembly plants.

Your question is an interesting one that I've not been asked in many years.
Every year I would recieve a listing of paint specs for both passenger car and
trucks, to aid in the special paint process. As you know, all big block Camaros
had the upper rear tail panel painted black. A little known fact is that some
of the COPO 427 Camaros had this rear panel painted black also, although in
the restoration process, years later they were repainted body color.

Unfortunately, I no longer have my paint spec books and I sincerely doubt that
there are any other copies around. However, I remember vividly that this rear
panel on the big block Camaros was painted a &quot;Satin Black&quot;, not a gloss, nor a
flat black. I hope that this information is helpful



To add to this, we also discussed the lower rocker color on the Rally Sport cars and again, these are a &quot;Satin Black&quot; like the tail panel.

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Show me a good survivor with satin tail panel. I am basing my opinion on looking at survivors. I believe memories can get clouded.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe memories can get clouded. </div></div>I definitely won't debate that and have seen it plenty of times... I know you're pretty adamant that its gloss, but what do you think about the ad pic?
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