Traction bars

[Zman1969]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175124_zpsalu7fp5k.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175124_zpsalu7fp5k.jpg.html)

These are off a 50's Vette. Probably the shortest set made at 25&quot; long. They are the later style, cause the wider spring pad and lack of a tail. They are also equal in length. What do those other ones measure without the tail? I can only guess that the unequal set-up was an early thing, before slapper bars were properly sorted. </div></div>


Paul is the orange color correct for the later bars? I thought all lakewoods were yellow?

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zman1969</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


Paul is the orange color correct for the later bars? I thought all lakewoods were yellow? </div></div>

They were all yellow..you can sorta see the yellow paint under the orange. The lakewood traction action decals were sometimes put on at the factory and sometimes not. I had 5-6 boxes of NOS ones over the years and about 1/2 of the decals were installed...the rest were loose decals inside the box

I suspect the original owner of these bars painted them orange to match something on his car.

[PxTx]

I don't recall seeing any signs of yellow on these bars. The color is more red in person. If I placed them next to an old lakewood bell housing, it would seem to be the same color to me.

Either they came red or someone blasted the yellow off, painted them red and installed the decals on them before they were ever installed. I'll try to post some better pics tonight.

Looking back, there seems to be some yellow on the back of the one pic. Let me dig them out and confirm.

[Zman1969]

I ask because my bars are ready to be sand blasted and coated
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/11/full-9542-18216-lakewood_bars.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/11/full-9542-18217-lakewood_bars_ii.jpg

[Day2_69Z]

Another way Lakewoods came was with Painted on Tampos.
Similar to the Traction Action decals you see here on restored bars.
These were :
TRACTION
...ACTION !!!
mostly seen on the Competition long bars with J Bolts and front / rear spring clamps in both the
2 1/2&quot; Square (early sets) &amp; rectangular tubing.
The Lakewood Decal fore &amp; aft the Tempo Script was random as was the Trade Mark Yellow or Red color paint on the bars.
Those Red bars above are TAMPO'd in PAINT.. w/ Original Decal. .
I'm Going to express this:::::
I HAVE SEEN MANY. RED &amp; YELLOW BARS in Original Paint &amp; TAMPO.
Seems the early Competition bars circa '67-68-69 -70 came Tampo painted and the later ones with decals on or in the box.....This too was random..
If you had a Real Race car you had long square or rectangle bars with J bolts for preload chassis adjustment &amp; deceleration clamps.
Most Hot street n strip cars had similar setups..... and most street cars used the short bars which were mostly rectangle.
The Square Bars were heavy therefore, revised/retooled as time went on ....and the advent of &quot;Ladder bars with floater leaf springs&quot; along with Narrowed rears had Lakewood marketing suitable, sellable bars for the masses....with Stock type set-ups.

Just some input to help clear up what Era Bar is best suitable for your application.....
Keep in mind Lakewood was the Premiere Traction Device Manufactor in the Late 60's - Mid 70's ....
Mr Gasket marketed &quot;other brands&quot; under there name...(they never had there own R&amp;D or Device)
Motion used a competitive , compareable device as &quot;price &amp; profit&quot; allowed.....Most speed shops carried various brands for Useage and Cost structure. Not everybody could afford LAKEWOOD Money back then ...therefore many Vendors offered up copies, knock offs and functional yet, cheesey Substitutes for the &quot;Look&quot; of with &quot;Low&quot; Cost !
Most of these were JUNK Ricky Racer type none of us would use today on our VINTAGE DAY 2 Cars.

[Day2_69Z]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't recall seeing any signs of yellow on these bars. The color is more red in person. If I placed them next to an old lakewood bell housing, it would seem to be the same color to me.

Either they came red or someone blasted the yellow off, painted them red and installed the decals on them before they were ever installed. I'll try to post some better pics tonight.

Looking back, there seems to be some yellow on the back of the one pic. Let me dig them out and confirm. </div></div>
Look Red with Tamp Paint to me... also Notice the Original Lakewood Decal with no &quot;R&quot; on it ....;-). Real baby! Restore those in Red with new Decals in TRACTION
...ACTION!
Nice , Rare bars....

[Zman1969]

OK looking at PXTX bars on page 22 his and mine above are different my bars have 2 holes for the J-bolts and PXTX has just on one side?
and BillD's 2 sets are different lengths of early style so thats 4 different types of square tube bars that I see here - weird

[Day2_69Z]

Dupli Color makes a near perfect match for Lakewood Yellow.

Dupli-Color Engine Enamel
with Ceramic.
DE 1642 DAYTONA YELLOW
its just enough &quot;pale yellow&quot; that matched my original paint Yellow bars
You can &quot;Bake them in Mama's oven&quot; when she's not home for that Genuine Baked Enamel factory finish. chemicals &amp; tire rubber won't effect them.

[PxTx]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zman1969</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK looking at PXTX bars on page 22 his and mine above are different my bars have 2 holes for the J-bolts and PXTX has just on one side?
and BillD's 2 sets are different lengths of early style so thats 4 different types of square tube bars that I see here - weird </div></div>

The red bars were on an early Vette and I think there were some clearance issues. The outer pad was trimmed for clearance. They were like yours Rich. More pics tonight.

[BillD]

My unequal length bars do not use the horse shoe style bracket, they use this: http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/11/full-1223-18232-full_10756_11738_20550.jpg

When I get home from work I will post a photo of the mounting bracket on the bottom of the bar. Also, looking at ChevyandPontiacs pictures of his bars it looks like his similar style bars are also different length. One last note, somewhere at home I have a 1969? Lakewood Catalog which shows the bars with the straight bracket shown in the photo here. If I can find the catalog I will post it

[Zman1969]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zman1969</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK looking at PXTX bars on page 22 his and mine above are different my bars have 2 holes for the J-bolts and PXTX has just on one side?
and BillD's 2 sets are different lengths of early style so thats 4 different types of square tube bars that I see here - weird </div></div>

The red bars were on an early Vette and I think there were some clearance issues. The outer pad was trimmed for clearance. They were like yours Rich. More pics tonight. </div></div>

Ahh I see that in the pic- wondered why the rough edge
I need all the hardware for mine- J-bolts snubbers and front U-bolts and the U-straps I just ordered-Glad you had one set left Paul thanks!

[PxTx]

Well Rich the set I had left was originally gonna be for my Dad, but he was leaning another direction so you got lucky

[Day2_69Z]

There seems to be 2 opinions on these straps vs stirrups.. ...
from my understanding the straps were early standard issue then later replacements in lieu of the stirrups.
The stirrups were designed by Bill &quot;Grumpy&quot; Jenkins in the Late 60's &amp; R&amp;D'ed in through 1970-1971 for all out Competition Use...noting the shorter stem length on the J bolts them selves and a more snug, up tight fit for the bracket allowed a tighter pre-load when the nuts were tightened down aiding in a few degrees of pinion angle change with out the addition of wedges as needed.
Using the straps allowed the J bolts to bend as the car launched or were over tightened forcing the pinion /per load.
Look for a Lakewood ad with Grumpy ,from 69-70-71....you'll see the bars pictured, set up as his on track research proved positive results.
Can't wait to see the 69 Catalog too for details,info, pics and applications.
This is an enjoyable topic for all traction device info ...and comparison to many optional applications for various 'Series' designs per vehichle and manufactor

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another way Lakewoods came was with Painted on Tampos.
</div></div>

Yep, the tampos were usually the earlier version then Lakewood went to the clear decal.


The red ones that PXTX showed looks like yellow paint on the front leaf spring u-bolt area but I could be wrong...maybe the early bars they tried to paint red at one time.

Yep I have a bunch of the early decals w/o the &quot;R&quot; and a bunch of early NOS hardware when it was sorta anodized gold with black nuts.

[BillD]

Hopefully these pictures post. There are a couple of the Lakewood catalog and one of the bar. Please note the bars in the catalog are black. I think the earliest bars were black with the yellow added later? The catalog is labeled 1969.

OK the files are too big to post and I don't have time to fool around tonight and resize another time. I can try again tomorrow, when I hopefully have more time.

[BillD]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/billdamsky/DSC_0857_zpsf970eeec.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/billdamsky/media/DSC_0857_zpsf970eeec.jpg.html)

[BillD]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/billdamsky/DSC_0859_zps6de29ac4.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/billdamsky/media/DSC_0859_zps6de29ac4.jpg.html)

[BillD]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/billdamsky/DSC_0858_zps9678bb78.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/billdamsky/media/DSC_0858_zps9678bb78.jpg.html)

[PxTx]

After further inspection, I am certain there is no Yellow paint on these bars. The lighter color here is just lighter rust.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9434_zps64b0e34c.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9434_zps64b0e34c.jpg.html)

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9433_zpsf52bbc5c.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9433_zpsf52bbc5c.jpg.html)

I personally think these were originally red bars from Lakewood. I have no way to say they a person couldn't have blasted these totally clean, painted and reassembled. Even inside the square tube there is no yellow, and only some red overspray. Much like &quot;What Color Should My Tow Tabs Be?&quot; I subscribe to the philosophy that traction bars can be any color you want- though the classic Lakewood Yellow is very universal and looks great on many cars.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9435_zpsf77aefa7.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9435_zpsf77aefa7.jpg.html)

I did compare these to another set of square tubes which were originally Yellow. They are similar, but not identical.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9448_zps45236191.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9448_zps45236191.jpg.html)

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9445_zps6ba13ea7.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9445_zps6ba13ea7.jpg.html)

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9444_zps4322d900.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9444_zps4322d900.jpg.html)

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9441_zps585b10da.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9441_zps585b10da.jpg.html)

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9439_zpsbbbf8441.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9439_zpsbbbf8441.jpg.html)

[Day2_69Z]

RED SQUARE with Decals ??? NICE.
let's research these more,,
I'm curious as why the triangle for the stirrup strap is boxed (stronger) .....
Maybe earlier than we know ????

These may be cut for figment but the finish is original......

[Zman1969]

I'm kind of torn between the red

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Square%20Tube%20Traction%20Bars/IMG_9435_zpsf77aefa7.jpg

and the yellow
http://image.superchevy.com/f/9096513/sucs_0600_12_z+1970_chevy_camaro_grumpys_toy+rear_ suspension.jpg
I plan on this for my 69 Nova SS that will be fathom green
Man Paul thats some rust! I really dont miss living up north

[Day2_69Z]

with a green car go with yellow unless your bars were red... jmo.

Red bars on a white,black,red,silver or blue car would be bitch'n contrast.

I have an Orange car with a Red Loop...kinda clashes... lmao..
but my Bars are Yellow,,shocks are Red Lakewood's as is the scattershield and drive shaft loop.
what color do I paint the tow tabs....red, yellow, orange or ugggg..black ???

[PxTx]

I really don't think you can go wrong whatever you choose. Just make it your choice, and don't go with anything because we all say so.

I do prefer a car with a bit of a theme. Whether I build one today, or 20 years ago- I try to stick with a complementing color scheme- which sometimes requires me to paint speed parts to keep within that theme. Heck, My teal Malibu had a pink stripe on it and I even painted some pink accents on a set of mag wheels. It was 1991 and I'm not saying to paint your bars pink- just whatever you want.

It wouldn't take much imagination to picture Fathom Green with red OR yellow accents and either way looks good to me.

http://paintref.com/graphics/sample/nova1969WA3886.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Nova%20Pics/2_zps036c7e08.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Nova%20Pics/2_zps036c7e08.jpg.html)

[Day2_69Z]

Hummmmm? Redlines...Red Bars ?
Paul , thanks for the enlightenment by posting those pics....That Nova with RL's is.....well. Sweeeet.

Pink ???
I hope, not any more...lol..

[C1SS396]

Any idea of maker ?

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii128/c1ss396/Neat%20Old%20Stuff/1123141511_zpszlvajgrw.jpg (http://s263.photobucket.com/user/c1ss396/media/Neat%20Old%20Stuff/1123141511_zpszlvajgrw.jpg.html)
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii128/c1ss396/Neat%20Old%20Stuff/1123141512c_zpsjs8bfrdw.jpg (http://s263.photobucket.com/user/c1ss396/media/Neat%20Old%20Stuff/1123141512c_zpsjs8bfrdw.jpg.html)

[Day2_69Z]

WOW....they look Rode Hard and Put away Wet.

The bends in the middle with a super long body and bracketry suggest Fabricated ... Home made for ease of understanding.
The upright bend and length suggest an attempt to get the snubbers up tight to the spring eye. And VERY DANGEROUS With
NO DECELERATION clamps up front.
When you let off or unload the bars when slowing down or stopping the front wants to nose dive into the pavement ! Hence the term, deceleration clamps.
I have only seen stuff like this custom fabbed for a one off set up.

Any other ideas guys ???

[Day2_69Z]

What year car &amp; model were they off of

F body's and Mopars don't have springs that long, I don't think.
Fords???
Tri-5 Chevy ?

Were these possibly swap meet or garage finds ?

[Plowman]

If the Traction Bars are LOADED,all the time {like the way I like them},you won't need the clamps up front{so called deceleration clamps}. Also I can't see the ends but the long boxed bars have rounded corners so its thick not thin tin bar's. The bend in the bars is so they fit the car. A custom fabricated piece.

[Day2_69Z]

There's an NOS BOXED SET of. MR GASKET TRACTION BARS FOR TRI-5 CHEVY'S on EBay for. . . .$300. ..!!!

look fantastic......sorry, no link.

there's. also 2 different sets of LAKEWOOD LONG BARS for 1rst Gen Camaros. for around $100. One set has all the Hdwre.

[67 Nova Boy]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Lakewood...fc2&amp;vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Lakewood-J-bolt-traction-bars-1967-1968-1969-Camaro-Nova-Firebird-/351234936770?pt=Race_Car_Parts&amp;hash=item51c73bcfc2 &amp;vxp=mtr)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Lakewood...c79&amp;vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Lakewood-Traction-Action-Traction-Bars-for-Camaro-Firebird-Nova-/111507115129?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories &amp;hash=item19f6578c79&amp;vxp=mtr)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-NOS-55-5...22e&amp;vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-NOS-55-56-57-CHEVY-MR-GASKET-TRACTION-BARS-GASSER-HOT-ROD-NHRA-IHRA-/161473552942?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories &amp;hash=item259892e22e&amp;vxp=mtr)

[PxTx]

Saw these on ebay. Thought it was cool to see soemthing &quot;new&quot;.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Traction%20Bars/ETChevelleBars_zps0dd28704.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Traction%20Bars/ETChevelleBars_zps0dd28704.jpg.html)

[Day2_69Z]

Yeah !
they are nice n new &amp; Screaming to be put on a '65 Chevelle w/ a 12 Bolt. !!!!
are you getting them ?

[Zman1969]

Paul or anyone know the production timeline on the lakewood bars?
long square tubes:
short square tubes:
rectangle tube:
Jbolts- non jbolts?

[Day2_69Z]

Sure,,,some of us here are knowledgeable and helpful....
What bars do you have or looking for ?
What are you trying to accomplish with your car ?

[PxTx]

I was over at novaboy Dave's not too long ago and thumbed through a few lakwood catalogs from 69 anf 70 I think. I was surprised at the variety in 1970. There were several offerings. I'll see if I can get some pics from it.

[Day2_69Z]

Paul, can you ask Novaboy if one catalog from 70-74 could be acquired for my display ?
I just picked up an 82 issue for reference and need an older one.

Thanks, Tom

[Day2_69Z]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zman1969</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paul or anyone know the production timeline on the lakewood bars?
long square tubes:
short square tubes:
rectangle tube:
Jbolts- non jbolts?</div></div>

I'll throw this out there about J bolts.
They're for competition and high horse cars.
Optional on level 2 bars, Standard on period Competition bars and not applicable on base &quot;street bars&quot; or look at me clamp on bars....
I'll leave Paul with a more complete knowledgeable break down.....He's Good !
Tom

[Zman1969]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure,,,some of us here are knowledgeable and helpful....
What bars do you have or looking for ?
What are you trying to accomplish with your car ? </div></div>

I have a set of short square tube J-bolts that I'll be restoring
street car with some day 2 stuff
here they are
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/11/full-9542-18216-lakewood_bars.jpg

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zman1969</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paul or anyone know the production timeline on the lakewood bars?
long square tubes:
short square tubes:
rectangle tube:
Jbolts- non jbolts? </div></div>

Square tubes came out first late 60's, rectangular rubes 1970 or so...but early 70's Lakewood sold both styles at the same time.
J-bolts were for the Traction action street/strip bars.

[whitetop]

Another thing:

Traffic Action = non j-bolt bars
Traction Action = street/ strip bars with j-bolts

Please don't put Traction Action decals on non-j bolt bars...I have been seeing this recently.

Vast majority of bars I have seen over the years at the swaps are Traction Action with the J-bolt option.

If bars have the j-bolt option you do not have to run the j-bolts.

Original rectangular bars had an extended tail with a welded on tab for spring clamp u-bolt,, later, around mid 70's the extended bar stayed but the rear tab was gone and final version is no extended tab at all.

Early to mid 70's all the hardware had a gold tint with black phosphated nuts.

[Day2_69Z]

Zman,
for your resto , Street side performance has Lakewood 2 1/2&quot; U bolt clamps to attach to your springs as well as Bolts, if you have old K bolts and they're bent or twisted in any way, don't use them....they will bend again even easier or crack after you rebend them...they have 2 sizes in snubbers as well......
check the back of your bars and see if the cut off on the tube looks perfect or a bit rough.... a lot of long bars were cut off .
Good luck on your project

[PxTx]

I think the short square bars had a different shape plate with enough holes to use BOTH type of bolts together- U bolts and J's. The long bars were only either/or.

[Day2_69Z]

Yep,,you're on top of it again....as usual...im dealing with medication blurring my vision and using my cell phone for all this, I thought I seen the platipus looking plates ...maybe even doubles... lol.

man, we love this stuff, don't we ?

[Zman1969]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep,,you're on top of it again....as usual...im dealing with medication blurring my vision and using my cell phone for all this, I thought I seen the platipus looking plates ...maybe even doubles... lol.

man, we love this stuff, don't we ? </div></div>

a few beers will clear that right up!

[Day2_69Z]

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[TheNovaMan]

This thread is so awesome!

[Salvatore]

Its not the thread its the guys!

[Day2_69Z]

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[TheNovaMan]

Very true

[clayton383]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/12/full-19060-19954-img_20141226_173415660.jpg

Just did these for my 72 Cutlass that is black with white stripes

[Salvatore]

real nice work Clay. Need to see some pictures of your car!

[clayton383]

Thank you. When it comes out of storage I will post some picks for sure. I have been collecting some vintage stuff since I bought it this fall. Gauges,slot mags,etc. Going to start getting busy over the winter <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

[Salvatore]

Yep, that stuff keeps us going over these long winters it seems anymore.

[PxTx]

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Traction%20Bars/2008-22july-007_zpsaeffyyqe.jpeg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Traction%20Bars/2008-22july-007_zpsaeffyyqe.jpeg.html)


http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Traction%20Bars/2008-22july-008_zpsuprkzn9a.jpeg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Traction%20Bars/2008-22july-008_zpsuprkzn9a.jpeg.html)

Borowed from the thread about the 72 Motion Camaro in NC. Never see a set of these before!

[TheNovaMan]

Wow, look how little space there is between the spring perch and the shock mount plate of the traction bar. Yikes!

[whitetop]

Kool Fuel Bars

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Traction%20Bars/2008-22july-007_zpsaeffyyqe.jpeg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Traction%20Bars/2008-22july-007_zpsaeffyyqe.jpeg.html)


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Borowed from the thread about the 72 Motion Camaro in NC. Never see a set of these before!

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[Plowman]

&quot;Fuel bars,&quot; whitetop help me out here. What do they do and how do they work. Short story!

[Salvatore]

Looks to be nothing more than spring stiffners to me.
They look like they can not move.

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Plowman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;Fuel bars,&quot; whitetop help me out here. What do they do and how do they work. Short story! </div></div>

&quot;Kool Fuel Bars&quot; was the name of the co. They made traction bars in the early 70's..then went poof. I have a decal somewhere.

[TimG]

Pulled this traction bar off my '67 Corvette.

[PxTx]

http://m.ebay.com/itm/141199279806?nav=SEARCH

Traffic Action with J bolt brackets?

[Day2_69Z]

another junk set,,,,he's had these for sale for 3 months or better.
The J bolts are probally like muffler clamp material.

Traffic action means they 'work at traffic lights, the Red ones'

Notice; &quot;Suspension Bar&quot;. Not.. traction bar !!!

[Day2_69Z]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TimG</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pulled this traction bar off my '67 Corvette. </div></div>


Most any decent quality traction bar(s) on a IRS Vette isn't a bad thing ...with alot of torque or horsepower.....the bar(s) stop the spring from inverting itself at the biscuits , saving the Main leaf from bending, cracking and damaging the car.
Unless you want the car all stock.

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://m.ebay.com/itm/141199279806?nav=SEARCH

Traffic Action with J bolt brackets? </div></div>

Wrong box..he originally had them listed as for 70-77 Camaro.

That Lakewood box is very early 70's and that Lakewood design is later 70's(no rear spring clamp)..I had some NOS.

[Day2_69Z]

I remember that listing for 2nd gen F....
mustang, mercury , Mopar seems more like it

Maybe he's watching this thread and separates the box from the bars and re-lists them as 70's-80's slapper bars , as these do appear to be the heavier street n strip bars.

[BillD]

I am trying to clean up this junkyard in my basement and I would like to get rid of some stuff and I do need help with these traction bars. (This is not a for sale ad) I bought these two pairs of bars at seperate times. Both sets are of unequal lengths. Both sets match each other. They are also very early lakewoods as they use a much different j bolt clamp than the horse shoe style clamp. We have added a couple more Day2 guys (Day2 69z and ChevyandPontiac)since I last asked the question. Either of you guys remember these unequal length bars? I think I see a pair of the same unequal length bars hanging in ChevyandPontiac's picture. Pictures are below of the bars and clamps. One set of these bars is going to go and I don't know if I should pair them as equal or unequal length?Opinions? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-1223-20699-dsc_0366_medium.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-1223-20700-dsc_0165_small_2.jpg

[jl8z28]

I have a catalog in the for sale section from 69 70 for different cars

[earntaz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have an original set on our 70 L78 TH400 car...car is in storage at the moment...I'll see about getting more info.

wilma

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff433/WILMASBOYL78/IMG_0759.jpg</div></div>

Wilma -- what springs are in the front of that Nova? TAZ

[earntaz]

bump

[AlsV8vair]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like DD made sime for Mr. GASKET

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/_3-3_zpszvv9gxvp.jpeg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/_3-3_zpszvv9gxvp.jpeg.html) </div></div>

I wanted to mention that these Mr Gasket Trac bars are actually manufactured by Drag Dimensions here in ontario. . They were the supplier for Mr Gasket. I was told that from one of the owners of Drag Dimensions.

[Furback]

I have a set of these NMW bars that I am installing on my Day 2 68 Nova.

[Furback]

I recall someone looking for some of the snubbers for traction bars that were oval shaped. I have one only, it is like new and who ever it is that needs it can have it for paying the postage.

[TheNovaMan]

Can someone take a couple measurements for me? I need to get going on my Fakewoods.

On a set of bars (preferably Lakewoods) with holes for U-bolts AND J-bolts, what is the center-to-center distance between the outer (J-bolt) holes? What's the width of the mounting pad at those rear holes?

TIA

[C1SS396]

Just picked these up. Only a foot long . Looks like lakewood yellow paint .Guessing their Pinto or ???? Anyone know what they fit ?

Thanks

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii128/c1ss396/Neat%20Old%20Stuff/0404151657_zps0ho4per6.jpg (http://s263.photobucket.com/user/c1ss396/media/Neat%20Old%20Stuff/0404151657_zps0ho4per6.jpg.html)

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii128/c1ss396/Neat%20Old%20Stuff/0404151657a_zps50vodfae.jpg (http://s263.photobucket.com/user/c1ss396/media/Neat%20Old%20Stuff/0404151657a_zps50vodfae.jpg.html)

[Salvatore]

same ones NovaBoy has on his Chevy-2.

[67 Nova Boy]

Why you gotta tell every one I got Winnie bars on my car!

Dave
67 Nova Boy

[TheNovaMan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheNovaMan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can someone take a couple measurements for me? I need to get going on my Fakewoods.

On a set of bars (preferably Lakewoods) with holes for U-bolts AND J-bolts, what is the center-to-center distance between the outer (J-bolt) holes? What's the width of the mounting pad at those rear holes?

TIA </div></div>
I'm making these for my Nova, but I would think measurements from a bar for any 2.5&quot; wide spring application would be pretty much the same, right?

[volquartsen]

Anyone here know where I can get a set of Ansen ground grabber decals?
Is someone making repops decals?

Thanks

[67 Nova Boy]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-8651-25031-img_2262.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-8651-25032-img_2292.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-8651-25033-img_2293.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-8651-25034-img_2294.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-8651-25035-img_2295.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-8651-25036-img_2296.jpg


Here is what they look like when new... .75 a pack

Dave
67 Nova Boy

[whitetop]

Original Ansen Ground Grabber decals are on ebay every so often.

[Zman1969]

I found these on craigs in Toledo http://images.craigslist.org/00d0d_39UAY4JaM4i_600x450.jpg before they are gone
67 68 69 CAMARO NOVA FIREBIRD TRACTION BARS 55 57 CHEVY GASSER - $100

[Day2_69Z]

Nice Color combo....
Clean em up or restore ?
Most Lakewood hardware will work.

Nice Find.

[chevyandpontiac]

Here is a picture of my new Mr Gasket traction bars. A fresh coat of paint and these will be beautiful. They are in great shape. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/09/full-10756-31955-image.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/09/full-10756-31956-image.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/09/full-10756-31957-image.jpg

[chevyandpontiac]

Fresh paint http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/09/full-10756-32024-image.jpg

[Postsedan]

Nice Mr. Gasket traction bars.....but I really like that Workbench <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Dan

[markinnaples]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/09/full-3000-32071-img_4552.jpg

[Day2_69Z]

Filled fronts &amp; rear for astetics only....
Never offered by Lakewood.

[Glenn70]

Better late than never, my slapper bars in use

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/Glennls7/e4243099-cd1e-478d-beaa-757ddcbf901f.jpg (http://s1219.photobucket.com/user/Glennls7/media/e4243099-cd1e-478d-beaa-757ddcbf901f.jpg.html)

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/Glennls7/traction%20action2.png (http://s1219.photobucket.com/user/Glennls7/media/traction%20action2.png.html)

[69 Post Sedan]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[MailOrderMotion]

I'd say they work pretty well.

[Day2_69Z]

Hey , let's see that from the front !
Wonder if those headers drag shocks , springs and oil pan are of vintage too ?

[Glenn70]

Almost got to see the front from the back on that pass, those traction bars arent supposed to work like that according to caltrac users? Slapper bars forever!
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd423/Glennls7/traction%20action.png (http://s1219.photobucket.com/user/Glennls7/media/traction%20action.png.html)

[earntaz]

What goes up must come down -- OUCH!!

[TheNovaMan]

Way cool! What springs and shocks?

[DW31S]

All I can say is he better not lift or that will be catostrophic! Gotta ride 'em out.

[chevyandpontiac]

I found this last night in my old catalog, just a cool item,
Traffic action bars vs Traction action Bars Big Square bars http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/12/full-10756-36368-lakewood.jpg

[bergy]

What is the date on the catalog? So... &quot;Traction Action&quot; sticker didn't originally come on rectangular bars? It's such a cool sticker that I put it on anyhow! I removed these from the Boss 9 that I am working on - blasted &amp; painted them. They were on the car from at least mid '70s. I intend to put them back on if they don't interfere with the rear sway bar.

[chevyandpontiac]

1973

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the date on the catalog? So... &quot;Traction Action&quot; sticker didn't originally come on rectangular bars? It's such a cool sticker that I put it on anyhow! I removed these from the Boss 9 that I am working on - blasted &amp; painted them. They were on the car from at least mid '70s. I intend to put them back on if they don't interfere with the rear sway bar.

</div></div>

Bergy the Traffic Action bars (no J-bolt option-no triangular tab on bottom of bars generally came with just the triangular lakewood decal.

I just sold a set of NOS early Ford 9&quot; Lakewoods Traction Action with the rear spring clamp as in the ad 1 3/4 narrow bar. In regards to the Traction Action decal. I have seen them both ways. Sometimes on the bar from the factory and sometimes as a decal stuck inside the instruction sheet..no rhyme or reason back then

[169indy]

Finally got the Ground Grabbers (Refurbish-Rebuild) finished, not bad for $25 Swap meet (Cores) find, however, tooling, steel, welding, machining, hardware, plating &amp; reproduction stickers later and they are Road ready (still need to get some U bolts made) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/01/full-304-38003-100_5510_1.jpg

Go ANSEN!

JIM

[Carleen]

Look at the Traction Action stickers at Jenkins 69 Camaro

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u331/Nikkewi/stoyssc21_zps9nmfvk8l.jpg

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 169indy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Finally got the Ground Grabbers (Refurbish-Rebuild) finished, not bad for $25 Swap meet (Cores) find, however, tooling, steel, welding, machining, hardware, plating &amp; reproduction stickers later and they are Road ready (still need to get some U bolts made) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/01/full-304-38003-100_5510_1.jpg

Go ANSEN!

JIM
</div></div>

Wow! They look great, sort of what I envisioned when I saw this set for sale in Pa - but they will take a lot of work as well!!!

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/pts/5411527795.html

[mockingbird812]

Going thru stuff collecting dust on shelves. What is the application for the two bars toward the bottom in this photo? Thanks!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/01/full-1691-38129-img_6976.jpg

[mockingbird812]

Anybody?

[PxTx]

They replace the lower control arms on a Chevelle. I've got an article somewhere. Will post tonight if I can locate it.

[mockingbird812]

Ew, I was hoping that was the application! Should just bolt right in after removing the stock LCA, right? Is the ride significantly altered? What is the affect on the suspension? Any pix of it in place? Would appriciate the article Paul - thanks!

[PxTx]

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/20160125_185927_zpso6fwmaw3.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/20160125_185927_zpso6fwmaw3.jpg.html)

[mockingbird812]

Thanks Paul. That pretty much explains things. Wonder how these stack up against the ladder bars in my original photo above? What is the date of the magazine?

I see they mention Monte Carlos in the article, so must be at least late '69 or '70.

[PxTx]

It was Chevy Power cira June 1973. Most other ladder bars are attached to the axle tube in a fixed position.

This one's got 2 pivot points. Probably similar but cooler looking to a good boxed lower control arm. Probably need something more to control wheel hop.

[mockingbird812]

I wouldn't it expect these smaller TBs to be as effective the Ladder bars, but they sure look cool. I think I'll put these in the mix for day-twoing my '69 Chevelle. Thanks again Paul. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Hawkeye]

Do you have the special bolts with the grease fittings? These are cool looking even if they aren't as effective as the regular ladder bars. The will look good in Day 2 fashion.

Marty

[mockingbird812]

I do not have the special bolts. Any leads? Could put regular bolts on a more aggressive maintenance cycle for grease. Plans are to just clean the bars up as the underneath of my Chevelle is original. Should add to the knuckle-dragger image I'm looking for.

[Bernhard]

Cool ladder bars. I don't think they will help much but they do remove one rubber bushing. You can try them and see how they effect the over all handling. The Lakewood bolts are hollow I would question there strength. I guess they were worried about bind if the grease gets washed out thus the service fitting. They remove the rear sway bar if the car was so equipped. Cool bars thanks for posting.

[Pat_Dilling]

They appear to hang below the bottom rim of the wheel, not good if you get a flat tire. I recall that being a no-no with some sanctioning bodies or vehicle safety regs. They do look cool though.

[mockingbird812]

Yeah, and we all know it's a small price to pay for looking sh*t hot!

[Bernhard]

They appear to hang below the bottom rim of the wheel, not good if you get a flat tire. I recall that being a no-no with some sanctioning bodies or vehicle safety regs. They do look cool though.

Good eye its in the NHRA rule book and may be in other sanctioning bodies rule book.
They are day two cool though.

[mockingbird812]

They should have called these traction bars &quot;wheel-savers&quot;!

[Day2_69Z]

The Original TRACTION ACTION bars Were Tampo'd....Black Ink/Paint Stamp .
With or w/o a Lakewood decal.
Very hard to find with original tampo ....

[PxTx]

On the bay, shame they are so short- 26&quot; case they look kinda cool.
http:// http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/03/full-511-40265-_3_2.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/03/full-511-40266-_3_3.jpg

[bbbentley]

@ questions.
1) Application? Guy I got them from dragged Camaros, but he hoarded everything. Can anyone confirm the application/usage?
2) Does anyone recognize what brand and age these are? They appear to have medium blue paint under the black.
As always, Thanks.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2017/02/full-13059-58657-img_6486.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2017/02/full-13059-58658-img_6485.jpg

[whitetop]

Kool-Fuel Bars . Very rare.. Tier B cheaper bars (notice thin spring perch pad) Strong on East coast of US. I have a decal somewhere.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbbentley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">@ questions.
1) Application? Guy I got them from dragged Camaros, but he hoarded everything. Can anyone confirm the application/usage?
2) Does anyone recognize what brand and age these are? They appear to have medium blue paint under the black.
As always, Thanks.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2017/02/full-13059-58657-img_6486.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2017/02/full-13059-58658-img_6485.jpg


</div></div>

[bbbentley]

I don't know how a guy can know so much about these vintage parts, but I am grateful!
You did not say, but would like to pin down the application? A few of the braces/bracketry threw me off, but then I thought maybe one bar was made for several applications? So this bar might work on Fomoco s &amp; Mopars? ...In addition to Chevs

I have another real cheap looking set I got from the same place that I will post to id, as well. They have an unusual oval snubber.
Yes, I would be interested in the decal, at least to get a picture to duplicate , if permitted , or to buy

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbbentley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know how a guy can know so much about these vintage parts, but I am grateful!
You did not say, but would like to pin down the application? A few of the braces/bracketry threw me off, but then I thought maybe one bar was made for several applications? So this bar might work on Fomoco s &amp; Mopars? ...In addition to Chevs
</div></div>

The bars might also be MAS they had the same blue color. let me check my old catalogs give me a day or so. It appears the bar were originally Chevy and someone welded on the FOMOCO brackets??? I have seen pics of them on Camaros etc and those Fomoco brackets were not on them.

[bbbentley]

Here is the other set, Mr. Gasket? Just over 27 in. Yellow, u-channel, not boxed underneath, unusual oval snubbers. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2017/02/full-13059-58923-traction_a.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2017/02/full-13059-58924-traction_b.jpg

[1967Z28]

Here's an ad from August '68 for Foxcraft traction bars. They appear to use the stock spring plate like the original Nickey/Bill Thomas bars did. There are some NOS Foxcraft bars for tri-five Chevys on ebay... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foxcraft-NOS-Traction-Slapper-Bars-1955-1957-Bel-Air-Nomad-Black-Widow-J12353-/172578845026?hash=item282e803162

[427TJ]

Here's an ad from August '68 for Foxcraft traction bars. They appear to use the stock spring plate like the original Nickey/Bill Thomas bars did. There are some NOS Foxcraft bars for tri-five Chevys on ebay... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foxcraft-NOS-Traction-Slapper-Bars-1955-1957-Bel-Air-Nomad-Black-Widow-J12353-/172578845026?hash=item282e803162

I have a pair of those in the original box for Camaro-Nova. Bought them on eBay ten years ago for my '67 and never used them.

[1967Z28]

Here are some original Bill Thomas traction bars for a '67 Camaro. They appear to have been painted the same color silver-blue that they used on the '67 Z-28 factory headers. Somebody bent the ears for the lower shock mount for some reason but I'll work on getting that rectified.

[Day2_69Z]

Oh geez,,, Bill Thomas Headers are so not Day 2.... Factory support via "skunk race car shop"
You need to donate these wrong color , no collector flange wanna be headers to my Day 2 in disguise museum of orphans.
I'd even donate back to you 2 sets of Summit modern Chinese headers of your choice and a set of Mexican Hookers so you can stay in "tune"....
I may ,,,just saying, I may just put these on my '68 for shits n giggles.....

[NorCam]

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175124_zpsalu7fp5k.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175124_zpsalu7fp5k.jpg.html)


http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175303_zpsbszwec6n.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175303_zpsbszwec6n.jpg.html)

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175320_zps3xkl3kye.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175320_zps3xkl3kye.jpg.html)

These are off a 50's Vette. Probably the shortest set made at 25&quot; long. They are the later style, cause the wider spring pad and lack of a tail. They are also equal in length. What do those other ones measure without the tail? I can only guess that the unequal set-up was an early thing, before slapper bars were properly sorted.

Looks like I found a duplicate set to your red ones Paul, except for these are yellow. Not sure if they were always yellow but they do appear to have been shaved on the one side just like your red ones. The shaved side will have to mount inboard on my Camaro so that I can use existing shock mount tabs, or I'll need to weld another right front tab if I flip them around to have the shave edge outward mounted towards the tire.

I'm about to strip these and restore them with new color but you now have me thinking Lakewood orange/red which would also match the Lakewood roll bar, bell housing and driveshaft loop all in red? These are 25.25" front to back. I'd like to find another of the early style short snubbers like the one shown below if anyone has some old stock?

http://image.ibb.co/hn1P5n/IMG_8606.jpg

http://image.ibb.co/gz6P5n/IMG_8607.jpg

http://image.ibb.co/kLD45n/IMG_8608.jpg

http://image.ibb.co/dRsxQn/IMG_8613.jpg

http://image.ibb.co/b4y45n/IMG_8612.jpg

[NorCam]

By the way gentlemen...wicked great thread you guys have contributed to here. I read all 38 pages today and got schooled!

I'd love to find a set of those white Drag Dimension bars one day??? :drool:

[Salvatore]

exact same bars I have on my camaro Graeme. Lakewoods from pre 71 or so.

[NorCam]

How far forward do they reach on the springs Sam? Assuming they're on a 69 I would imagine the snubbers are about 2" back from the eyelet?

[x33rs]

Here's a set that kind of look like post 346.

We've had these on the nomad since the mid 70's. I think my father bought them sometime in the 60's and ran them on one of his tri-5's back then.

I don't even remember what brand they are anymore. Sorry for the poor picture, that's all I can get at the moment.

[x33rs]

Nevermind, I'd have to resize the file, beyond my capabilities.

[scuncio]

Here is X33rs' picture:

https://photos.smugmug.com/SYc-Site/i-86Z73zB/0/ca502319/XL/P2110001-XL.jpg

[NorCam]

One bar that I didn't see much in this entire thread was the Hurst AdjustaBars. I know they weren't terribly popular but they did look kind cool.

[x33rs]

That looks like what I've done to standard Lakewood bars in the past. I'd take a square tube that fits inside the existing square and slide it in to make the bar longer and reach the spring eye where it should be. Then just weld it.

[x33rs]

Thanks for doing that Scuncio. Much appreciated.

[JRC99]

What kind of bars are these? I hope they're Traction Action since I put the stickers on. I know they're Lakewood, the guy that put them on the Camaro back in the day confirmed it.

Edit: looks like they aren't. I know that even if they were, we don't have the JBolts. It's a U-bolt setup. Shoot. I'll probably still run the decals anyways.

[scuncio]

I don’t follow your reasoning. Those are J bolt style.

[JRC99]

I don’t follow your reasoning. Those are J bolt style.

Oh, they are? I got a little confused by an ad on a previous page. That's a huge relief. I love the stickers but I'd feel a bit like a poser if they weren't the J-bolt bars.

[JRC99]

I found this last night in my old catalog, just a cool item,
Traffic action bars vs Traction action Bars Big Square bars https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/12/full-10756-36368-lakewood.jpg

This is the ad that makes me think my bars aren't traction action bars, just traffic action.

[big gear head]

Traffic Action wouldn't have the angle welded to the bottom for the J bolt bracket, would it?

[JRC99]

Traffic Action wouldn't have the angle welded to the bottom for the J bolt bracket, would it?

Is that what that upside down triangle looking thing is?

[big gear head]

Yes. Welded to the bottom of the bar.

[markinnaples]

Did a lot of guys buy the J-Bolt kit for the Traffic...Action bars back in the day?
I remember way more Lakewood bars with the slanted front than the perpendicular/straight front like the Traction...Action bars.

[whitetop]

This is the ad that makes me think my bars aren't traction action bars, just traffic action.

The skinnier bars were Traffic Action and called Traction Action if they had the triangular piece underneath for the j bolts.

[chevyandpontiac]

Just got these back from my powder coater, they turned out awesome. Plus I figured this traction bar page needed some action (traction action)

[Postsedan]

Perfect! Those would look awesome on a Van.....in a Van :)

Dan

[MonteMike79]

Looks great, I just bought a pair of those same bars on ebay. Couldn't believe someone from here didn't scoop them up before I did. I hope mine look as good as yours when I get done cleaning them up.

[markinnaples]

Those look great!

[chevyandpontiac]

Put the decals on last night, just something about the decals, it changes the look of the bars.

[Postsedan]

Day2 at it’s Best!
Love it!

Dan

[Igosplut]

Saw these on ebay. Thought it was cool to see soemthing &quot;new&quot;.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Traction%20Bars/ETChevelleBars_zps0dd28704.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Traction%20Bars/ETChevelleBars_zps0dd28704.jpg.html)

A set of ETs for a mono-leaf 1st generation Chevy II

https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/Igosplut/DSCF5759_zpsgrhdvexi.jpg (https://s56.photobucket.com/user/Igosplut/media/DSCF5759_zpsgrhdvexi.jpg.html)

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/Igosplut/DSCF5758_zpsbrr0xjmf.jpg (http://s56.photobucket.com/user/Igosplut/media/DSCF5758_zpsbrr0xjmf.jpg.html)

[whitetop]

Chevyandpontiac

If you want to be extra correct the original nuts on the hardware for Lakewood bars were black phosphate.

[Outlaw68Nova]

Put the decals on last night, just something about the decals, it changes the look of the bars.

I need about 4-5 sets of those awesome traction bars!! I can dream right! lol

[The Squid]

Anybody recognize these? They seem kinda small. The only labeling I see is a "Patent Pending" sticker.

[Spooky]

Looks like Drag Dimensions bars, but I don't know the application

[NorCam]

Just finished restoring the Lakewood bars for my Nova. They turned out nice as did the original hardware which I had to strip a few coats of paint off to clean it up. Bars are mounted back onto the car now and look great. I used T-bolts on the front holes and the original J-bars in the back two holes.

https://i.ibb.co/VV2Pc1N/IMG-2777.jpg
T-Bolts and Lock Nuts used for the front 2 mounting holes on main spring pad.

https://i.ibb.co/MV9hxrS/IMG-2774.jpg
Bars completely restored with original hardware cleaned up and threads chased.

https://i.ibb.co/D9Fxqz9/IMG-2780.jpg
Loosely installing the bars before loading weight back onto the suspension

https://i.ibb.co/TqwSTC6/IMG-2789.jpg
Both bars are reinstalled with wheels and tires back onto the car. Minor adjustments will be needed once the car is completely loaded down with weight.

https://i.ibb.co/bbD98ws/IMG-2791.jpg
The finished look after reinstalling the Lakewoods. The newer water slide decals are a nice finishing touch.

[HawkX66]

I'm replacing the yellow Lakewoods with the black J-Bolt ones. My black ones look a little different than all the others that have the extension going out behind the axle. Also, mine have a different plate welded on for the front j-bolts. Are these any better or worse performance wise? I don't have anything on it right now and I'm sick of the wheel hop and having to get out of it... Once I weld a new shock mount on for the driver side I'll paint them and get them on there.

edit: Looks like they're Competition Engineering

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5447/30382337604_29ac8717f6_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/NhMqsY)

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5579/31060209542_a86255dbc2_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/PjFGbb)

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4736/38532836825_1e1467929d_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/21H1RVB)

[NorCam]

Bought this cool pair of old square Lakewood's from Tim S. a couple years ago for use on my 69 but have since decided to keep it stock. I got busy on the bars yesterday after blasting them clean, filling in some light pitting and gave them a couple coats of paint. I'm going to sand and finish spraying them today and will trim a better set of snubbers for them once I find my stash. Also need to order another set of Traction Action decals to finish them off. Next up today is chasing the threads on the original set of J-Bars and cleaning all the nuts which are now soaking in evapo-rust. More on these when they're finished up in the coming week. I will be listing these for sale in the classifieds once they are complete. These are not an easy set of bars to find these days and were only made for a couple years in 68/69 if I'm correct. I was lead to believe the rectangular bars started appearing in 1970.

I've also got a pair of the longer rectangular Lakewood's from the early 70's period complete with NOS hardware that I am considering making available once these are done. More on those later.

[bbbentley]

Did the earliest Lakewood Traction Actions come in white?
Reply #351 of this thread shows Jenkin’s G.T. With white bars. I have a set of early bars and when I stripped them, there is evidence the bars started out white. There is no yellow anywhere. Thanks sYc

And...the earliest bars show the J bolt going through a thick piece of bar stock that is twisted & welded to the bar, opposed to the angle iron that a saddle goes up against. I would like a little history and dating. Mine have the twisted bar stock as shown in post #392 of this thread. ( that catalog is apoarently from 73 based on application chart at bottom of the page?)

[L_e_e]

Anybody recognize these?, installed on a 2nd Gen Camaro.
Kind of unique with the main tube being trapezoid rather than square or rectangle and the original color appears to have been orange.

[LS7]

I believe those are made by Ansen.

[bbbentley]

Did the earliest Lakewood Traction Actions come in white?
Reply #351 of this thread shows Jenkin’s G.T. With white bars. I have a set of early bars and when I stripped them, there is evidence the bars started out white. There is no yellow anywhere. Thanks sYc

And...the earliest bars show the J bolt going through a thick piece of bar stock that is twisted & welded to the bar, opposed to the angle iron that a saddle goes up against. I would like a little history and dating. Mine have the twisted bar stock as shown in post #392 of this thread. ( that catalog is apoarently from 73 based on application chart at bottom of the page?)

[chevyandpontiac]

Those are ansen, here is a picture of them

[RobR]

Bentley, The early Lakewood bars that I have had had the clamping arrangement like in the below pictures. I Believe that is what you are referring to.Also the bars were different lengths, passenger side being longer. The ones that I had stripped to bare metal where yellow. The picture you refer to of Bill Jenkins car they appear to be white,Rob.

[bbbentley]

Rob, That is the clamping style I have and referred to. Mine are different lengths. The only paint I found was white and a red front about the length of the decal and terminating on a diagonal. These have not been in use for at least 40 years. Possible they were stripped and painted?

[Salvatore]

I have only ever used the large "U" bolt style clamp and both bars were the same length. I assume the twisted metal versions were earlier? I also only saw them sold in yellow. Bought my first pair in 1970. Jenkins painted most everything underneath white in those days. Helped reflect the heat. Plus, he customized his Lakewood bars up some too.

[RobR]

Yes, there is no telling what could’ve happened through the years with these old parts. Here is a set of bars that had me stumped when I stripped them.
Painted yellow with Mr. gasket decals, under that orange with the Mr. gasket logo and under that yellow with the Lakewood traction action markings!

[Salvatore]

I like those slicks that snuck into your photo to Rob! I ran 28.5 X 9 in the old days on the nova. You got nice stuff RR.

[NorCam]

Yup...saw those M&H's in there too Sam. Send those my way would you Rob?

Those bars you had must have been old stock Lakewood when Mr. Gasket bought them out. Likely repainted orange around that time and given the new logo to promote Mr. Gasket over Lakewood? Then followed by another round of yellow paint by a car owner some time down the line. If they could tell stories?

[Spooky]

Anyone have any pics of the Hurst Adjust-a-bar Traction bars? I have looked online and nothing. Someone posted pics back in 2007ish but those pictures don't show up now.


Scott

[67 Nova Boy]

https://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w7/busbymoran/IMG_5569_zpsngxm4jqe.jpg

https://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w7/busbymoran/IMG_5570_zpszzocoeip.jpg

Dave
67 Nova Boy

Click on the second icon {View image}in the upper right side of picture in photobucket to make larger.

[GotGrunt]

Anyone have any pics of the Hurst Adjust-a-bar Traction bars? I have looked online and nothing. Someone posted pics back in 2007ish but those pictures don't show up now.


Scott

I have 2 sets of these brand new in the box. What are they worth?

[Damien]

^^^^
Very cool!

[PeteLeathersac]

'

S:drool: C:eek2::eek2:L!
~ Pete

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[GotGrunt]

Does anyone know the difference between the super bar and the econo super bar regarding the ansen ground grabbers?

[chevyandpontiac]

Here is my .02 the Hurst Adjust-A-bars are cool, great display item. Low side value is $250, and up to what every some one is willing to pay.
Ansen made Super ground grabbers and ground grabbers, the the econo was the ground grabbers.
Super ground grabbers were $70 and ground grabbers were $53.

[cook_dw]

Anybody recognize these? They seem kinda small. The only labeling I see is a "Patent Pending" sticker.



https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=139635&stc=1&d=1558446615

[GotGrunt]

Here is my .02 the Hurst Adjust-A-bars are cool, great display item. Low side value is $250, and up to what every some one is willing to pay.
Ansen made Super ground grabbers and ground grabbers, the the econo was the ground grabbers.
Super ground grabbers were $70 and ground grabbers were $53.

Actually I just figured it out... the “econo” super ground grabbers were the same as the super ground grabbers, except without the top bracket. They are very much different in design than the regular ground grabbers. That being said, look at what I dug up today, brand new in the box :D They are for 67-70 Camaro/Firebird & 55-57 Chevy.

[GotGrunt]

Thanks to Dave (67 Nova Boy) for the catalog pics!

[Spooky]

Dave is the man when it comes to the old catalogs!

[GotGrunt]

I scored another NOS batch of vintage traction bars today!

[GotGrunt]

More pics...

[GotGrunt]

So cool! :D

[Bernhard]

https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=139635&stc=1&d=1558446615


What a great picture of Mr Gasket traction bars being installed.

[Bernhard]

So cool! :D


Congrats on the Nos Mr Gasket traction bar find

[GotGrunt]

Congrats on the Nos Mr Gasket traction bar find

Thanks! It’s funny because I don’t even own a leaf spring car at the moment but keep finding piles of these things :D

[chevyandpontiac]

Maybe time to buy a second gen F Body. You have the traction bars.

[GotGrunt]

Maybe time to buy a second gen F Body. You have the traction bars.

Do you think that excuse will fly with the wife? :D

[chevyandpontiac]

Just scored these NOS JR's traction bars, they are for 2nd gen Fbody. They still have paint runs in the bolt holes. No hardware but I have plenty of that.

[R68GTO]

Restored a set of vintage Lakewood traction bars that have been on my car since 1971 (date code on the snubbers is '71). Had the original hardware all re-plated yellow zinc per original. I have a couple of questions on the mounting to the axle tube. The outside J-bolt goes where the factory U-bolt is located and slips under the bend in the brake line. What about the inside J-bolt - I suppose you have to bend a another opening in the brake line to install? The forward two bolts that were on mine were carriage bolts with an "L" cast into the head. I assumed it was for "Lakewood" but maybe a coincidence. Why wouldn't a person just use the factory T-bolts? Anyone have a good photo showing my style bar mounted up?

[whitetop]

Restored a set of vintage Lakewood traction bars that have been on my car since 1971 (date code on the snubbers is '71). Had the original hardware all re-plated yellow zinc per original.


Bars look great If you really want to be correct the original nuts were black phosphate. I've had plenty of NOS over the years. Also seen in this ad.

[R68GTO]

If you really want to be correct the original nuts were black phosphate.

There is always a chance the nuts were changed when the prior owner sold off the BE rear and the bars got re-mounted (2004-2006 timeframe), but some of the nuts I removed were "smashed" on one face due to lots of hard launches. The inside of all the nuts were clearly gold cad. These bars are rectangular tube 1971 versions so maybe they changed the nut finish when they went to the rectangular style?
Anyone have input on the mounting?

[whitetop]

I bought 5 sets of NOS bars from the guy who bought out the huge stash of vintage speed parts from the old S&S Speed in Falls Church VA that was featured in the magazines 15 years ago. Rectangular bars. I estimate the bars were 71-75 era -long tails with rear spring clamp. All had black phosphate nuts and u bolts were gold cad. (J bolts never came with the bars-they were optional)

I looked this morning at the j bolt and u bolt NOS packs I have from early 70's all have gold nuts.

[chevyandpontiac]

These are NOS

[TheNovaMan]

Was that the original design for the strap? And then later they went to the U-shaped strap?

[chevyandpontiac]

The first design was the twist, then they went to the U type
1. Square tube twist strap
2. Square tube u strap
3. Rectangle tube u strap

[TheNovaMan]

Does anyone know the approximate years they made the square tube, u strap bars? And were any of those available with u-bolt AND j-bolt holes, or only 4 fastener holes in the mounting plate?

When did they eliminate the ~6" of bar that stuck out the back, and does anyone know what that was for?

[whitetop]

When did they eliminate the ~6" of bar that stuck out the back, and does anyone know what that was for?

The extended rear went well into late 70's maybe even early 80' though the spring clamp piece that was welded to it was gone since 1974 ish.

[169indy]

Ground Grabber Traction Bar Vintage INFO.

Credit Mike V or Seattle; re. He seen my 68 Camaro with my incorrectly finished Ansens on, He found Vintage set and took very good photos and it clearly displays use of the sticker and plated finish. Cad or Zinc, Brite, with Clear DiChromate Type III post treatment (i.e. Silvery finish) NOT Dichromate Type II (Gold). Very cool is he had a set of instructions also.



ASTM-B633
Type III refers to a clear (blue brite) chromate (passivate); Type II refers to a colored (yellow, olive drab)chromate.

Jim
(*Crud I incorrectly plated my three set based on the Yellow paper of the catalog * DOH!)

Edit photo size & post. (JFW)

[scuncio]

Anyone have an idea what brand / application these are?

https://photos.smugmug.com/Ebay/i-qqxtDp3/0/c69b452d/O/traction%20bars.jpg

[WorkinProgress]

2nd generation Camaro.

JR is the brand.

- Warren

[scuncio]

Thanks Warren!

[chevyandpontiac]

Tony, how do you keep ending up with second gen camaro traction bars? LOL

[scuncio]

I know! I must need to buy a 2nd-gen.

[chevyandpontiac]

Tony if you watch the Ebay & others section there is a guy by the name of scuncio that always posts cars for sale, I bet he could find a second gen camaro for you. LOL

[scuncio]

That guy...that guy indeed

[169indy]

Thought I would post my 'Before' photo of my 1968Z28 Camaro Leaf spring Drag Dimensions "T-Bars".

Original Rubber Snubbers and Steel retainers, NOS Sticker, Replacement U-Bolts and hardware (ie. Nuts, Locks, flats and cotter)

Off to Powder Coat and Zinc Plating.

[169indy]

Got them Back; Bright White Polyester Epoxy Coated, Zinc plated parts, NOS stickers, Rubber Snubber-Bumpers in Perfect Condition.

Drag Dimensions T-Bars Part Number 1305

Will be re installed on my 68Z as found parked in 1979 (Rest 2003- till),,,,,,

Jim

[jbtech]

Got them Back; Bright White Polyester Epoxy Coated, Zinc plated parts, NOS stickers, Rubber Snubber-Bumpers in Perfect Condition.

Drag Dimensions T-Bars Part Number 1305

Will be re installed on my 68Z as found parked in 1979 (Rest 2003- till),,,,,,

Jim

Thanks to Dan (chevyandpontiac) I have these same bars! Could you send me a copy of the stickers if possible so I could have them printed?
Thanks

[GotGrunt]

NOS competition engineering ladder bars for GM A-body. Dug these out and gave them a quick wipe down. Tried to do some research on them but came up empty, so posting some pics for others. These have been discontinued for a while now. Uses u-bolts to clamp to the axle tube unlike the Lakewood/NMW version.

[x33rs]

Neat. I have an old set laying around that were on an L78 Chevelle we used to have. They are painted however, not chrome.

[GotGrunt]

Can anyone ID these traction bars?

[chevyandpontiac]

Mustang/Cougar, they look like Chapman from Chicago

[chevyandpontiac]

Just picked up 6 sets of my Lakewoods from the powder coater, a few of these are NOS. I have an addication problem. All of these are J bolt

[COPO]

Love those square tube ones.

[69camaro76b]

Here's a pic of the traction bars on my 69 Camaro project. I've looked thru this thread and believe these may be Kool Fuel bars? Can anyone confirm this. Any old ads exist regarding them if that's what they are? Thxs for the help

[chevyandpontiac]

They could be MAS also.

[69camaro76b]

Thanks for the reply and pic. I ran some fine sandpaper on my bars and they are painted blue underneath. Also did a little homework and Kool-Fuel was out of Oklahoma. This car has an old faded OK registration sticker on the windshield... Anyone have an old Kool-Fuel catalog kicking around?

[69camaro76b]

Found these sticker images online, but no catalogs.

[Damien]

Finally got around to doing something with my Mr Gasket bars.
Ready now for some orange/red and decals.

[cook_dw]

Thought I would add another set of unequal length Lakewood bars with the twisted plate for the J bolts. If anyone has an extra set of hardware shoot me a pm. Prefer used but will consider anything you have.