Traction bars

[TheNovaMan]

Does anyone have a set of the old-style Lakewood traction bars like Grumpy used to use? I need some measurements, like tube size, wall thickness, position of the lug the strap grabbed, etc.

http://image.superchevy.com/f/9096513/sucs_0600_12_z+1970_chevy_camaro_grumpys_toy+rear_ suspension.jpg

[PxTx]

I don't have a set, but would like to encourage you. I would just use a similar set of bars as a reference. Basically you just need to make it with a swuare tube, rather than a rectangular one. How authentic do you really need them to be if you are already improving/ altering them?

I've read you want to make the length longer to catch the spring eye. I think that is a great idea. They made them both with long tails and without. I would recommend you make the long tails. This will get you the ability to toss in a set of wheelie bars.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/PxTx/Grumpybars.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/PxTx/glc.jpg

[WILMASBOYL78]

We have an original set on our 70 L78 TH400 car...car is in storage at the moment...I'll see about getting more info.

wilma

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff433/WILMASBOYL78/IMG_0759.jpg

[TheNovaMan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have a set, but would like to encourage you. I would just use a similar set of bars as a reference. Basically you just need to make it with a swuare tube, rather than a rectangular one. How authentic do you really need them to be if you are already improving/ altering them?

I've read you want to make the length longer to catch the spring eye. I think that is a great idea. They made them both with long tails and without. I would recommend you make the long tails. This will get you the ability to toss in a set of wheelie bars.</div></div> Well, the most important measurement is the angle of the cut on the front of the bars. I can probably get the rest close enough by guess and by golly, but it'd give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside to know I have a set that are virtually identical except for total length.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have an original set on our 70 L78 TH400 car...car is in storage at the moment...I'll see about getting more info.

wilma</div></div> Thanks!

[Hemicolt]

Do these belong to anyone on here?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-NMW-LADDER-B...ies&amp;vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-NMW-LADDER-BARS-GASSER-HOTROD-NHRA-CAMARO-NOVA-CHEVELLE-65-66-67-68-69-70-71-/300632906160?hash=item45ff1e19b0&amp;item=300632906160 &amp;pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&amp;vxp=mtr )

[PxTx]

Here is a reference shot for the ones on ebay

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Tow%20Tabs/NMWNovaladerebay1.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Tow%20Tabs/nmwNovaLadderInst.jpg

Not mine here, but I do have a NOS set also. Mine are Yellow and they have some other plates that go in the inside of the car to sadnwich the sheetmental around the spring pocket.

This thread is a good read for anyone who likes ladder bars on a leaf sprung car.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=448177&amp;page=1

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Importing Zach's pictures from that thread:

http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss236/zach_carter/1968%20Nova/IMG_1082.jpg

http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss236/zach_carter/1968%20Nova/IMG_1081.jpg

http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/5247/2841524490026515484S600x600Q85.jpg

[Salvatore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have an original set on our 70 L78 TH400 car...car is in storage at the moment...I'll see about getting more info.

wilma

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff433/WILMASBOYL78/IMG_0759.jpg </div></div>gettin the chains put on Tommy?

[TheNovaMan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They made them both with long tails and without. I would recommend you make the long tails. This will get you the ability to toss in a set of wheelie bars.</div></div>
Does anyone know if 6&quot; is long enough for the tails?

[PxTx]

I would say that would work. Since you are making yours longer, use your best judgment on making them look balanced.

[TheNovaMan]

What was the purpose of the clamp on the back?

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheNovaMan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What was the purpose of the clamp on the back? </div></div>

A method to preload the suspension/traction bar set up and to set traction bars and spring spacing. Don't think it was really that important as most bars since the early 70's eliminated that feature.

[69z28302]

What color should I paint these homemade Jobs I found on CList? There going on a Burnished Brown 69 Z/28.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii312/rpoz28302/suess.jpg

Mike

[Hemicolt]

If you are going to go for a 70's look, I would imagine yellow or white.

[PxTx]

There were plenty of people makeing bars then and any color would work for me. I don't think I'm the only one out there who buys new parts today and will re-paint them before I put them on my car.

NMW and many others did paint things, but the quality of the application was often poor. I pint things sometimes just becuase it blends well with th overall buil. Don't want too may colors clashing. I think many street racers would flat black a set of traction bars - probably not all for the same reasons.

Yellow, Orange, Red...whatever you like. Just out oc curiosity, how do you know they are homemade? Did you buy them fromthe original fabricator? Lots of things were manufactured back then that look worse than some of the things produced out of a guys garage today.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/PxTx/MCACN2011115.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/PxTx/MCACN2011114.jpg

[69z28302]

No these were definitley homemade. I had to grind down some of the Mud Dobber welds that were on them.

[Salvatore]

those bars look similar to ones I have seen before. Actually look a little better than home made but I can't really see them close up. White or yellow IMO.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think many street racers would flat black a set of traction bars - probably not all for the same reasons.</div></div>

Definitely agree. That was my experience from ancient times too...L-O-L.

Wayne

[Tommy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69z28302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What color should I paint these homemade Jobs I found on CList?
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii312/rpoz28302/suess.jpg
Mike </div></div>

I am pretty sure they are not homemade. There were lots and lots of traction bars on the market and some were very short lived. I have a set identical to yours. Probably made by &quot;SEGAL&quot; which was another speed company/Jobber that went out of business many years ago. Segal was the owners last name, I can't remember his first but he was part of SEMA back in the day. I have one of their catalogs buried somewhere. Whitetop I think has copies of Segal Traction bar ads somewhere.

Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[69z28302]

Thanks , I like to see that ad Tommy.

Maybe there not. I know one of the shock mounts have been moved to fit 68 and 69 staggered shock application.

Thanks Mike

[Tommy]

This is the only pic I could find of them so I cropped it from a larger pic. They were kinda burnt orange color when I pulled them from a 68 Nova I was parting out several years ago.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/68sschevyII/BLACK%2068%20L78/Im000282-1-1.jpg

Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69z28302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What color should I paint these homemade Jobs I found on CList? There going on a Burnished Brown 69 Z/28.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii312/rpoz28302/suess.jpg

Mike </div></div>

Satin black if you want to be stealthy. If you want to show them off then yellow or maybe Chevy Orange to match the engine. Heck, you could chrome them!

[Tommy]

The welds are probably as bad on these as they are on yours.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/68sschevyII/traction%20bars/tractionbar1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/68sschevyII/traction%20bars/tractionbar3.jpg

Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[Jefferson]

Did they ever offer white traction bars? I am getting bored of the yellow but don't want to lose the &quot;day 2&quot; look by going white.

[Hemicolt]

I've seen white ones in old mag. stories from back in the day.
But I can't say for sure if the owners did or didn't paint them.

[Plowman]

Yes the white Traction Bars were around for Day-2 cars. *Paul

[Tommy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jefferson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did they ever offer white traction bars? .
</div></div>

E/T traction bars were white.


Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[mockingbird812]

Drag Dimensions painted them white.......


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/70%20Roof%20Deuce/DSC_0648.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/70%20Roof%20Deuce/Restored%20Components/Drag_DimensionsFinished.jpg

[69z28302]

Here's a couple more shots. They are Very similar. Looks like the shock plate is different. Nice weld on that shock tab.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii312/rpoz28302/TracBars001.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii312/rpoz28302/TracBars002.jpg


Mike

[Plowman]

So it is YES on white bars.

[Salvatore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jefferson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did they ever offer white traction bars? I am getting bored of the yellow but don't want to lose the &quot;day 2&quot; look by going white.
</div></div>Couldn't lose the Day-2 look if you paint them pink. Any color goes and most were repainted anyways. White on a burnish brown car I think.

[69z28302]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jefferson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did they ever offer white traction bars? I am getting bored of the yellow but don't want to lose the &quot;day 2&quot; look by going white.
</div></div>

It looks like Sam's were white from the factory.

Mike

[Plowman]

Just paint them flat black[sleeper look]and put them on.

[mr.4speed]

hurst also had white traction bars.

[JoeC]

1967 Camaro has different shock mount then 1968 Camaro
it looks like someone did a 67 to 68 conversion

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69z28302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's a couple more shots. They are Very similar. Looks like the shock plate is different. Nice weld on that shock tab.
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii312/rpoz28302/TracBars001.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii312/rpoz28302/TracBars002.jpg


Mike </div></div>

[Salvatore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Plowman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just paint them flat black[sleeper look]and put them on. </div></div>Thats right Paul....paint em and hang em! Nuff said!

[markinnaples]

Love the white idea; kind of matches the theme when guys painted their undercarriage white.

[Plowman]

Sam some people get it and you do,good job Sam.

[whitetop]

I agree, white would look best or as someone mentioned have them chrome plated.

[427TJ]

[/quote] Couldn't lose the Day-2 look if you paint them pink. Any color goes and most were repainted anyways. [/quote]

Excellent point.

[TheNovaMan]

You know, I've been thinking about traction aids alot lately, and it struck me that it wouldn't be terribly difficult to make an old set of ladder bars work like Cal Tracs: all they lack is a pivot point at the rear. You wouldn't be able to preload them like Cal Tracs, but that's probably a solvable problem...

[Hemicolt]

Cal Tracs are such a great piece. A local guy has a 8.5 tire Nova that runs low 8's on a mono leaf suspension.
A few people do not like them though because they won't follow instructions and tune them properly. A guy brought me a Challenger that was leaving hard left. After inspecting the Cal Tracs, he had them so far out of adjustment it was awful. Going back to slightly off neutral made the car run on a string.

[Plowman]

The Nova Man,with Traction Bars,go for it. How do you think every body did it. It will be fun. *Paul* Yours would be better and greater too.

[Plowman]

How about Hemicolt trying to make cal tracs some day too. *Paul*Yours also would be better and greater too.

[TheNovaMan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Plowman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Nova Man,with Traction Bars,go for it. How do you think every body did it. It will be fun. *Paul* Yours would be better and greater too. </div></div> I'm going to make Lakewood knock-offs and see how well I can hook with slapper bars, but I got to thinking about other types of traction aids and an idea popped into my head. It could be neat for someone who digs old school ladder bars.

[1967Z28]

Anyone know when Mr. Gasket started making traction bars?

http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/More%20car%20stuff/MrGaskettractionbars.jpg

[PxTx]

I'll bet they started about 1970, but when those particular ones came about I don't know. Got any more pics or history?

[Alss]

Here's a old set..I think..they were yellow at one time
http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u342/restoman20/DSC_0041-2.jpg
http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u342/restoman20/DSC_0042-2.jpg

[1967Z28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll bet they started about 1970, but when those particular ones came about I don't know. Got any more pics or history? </div></div>

No, that's all I have for a photo. Was just curious when Mr Gasket got into the traction bar business. I hadn't recalled seeing a set with a Mr Gasket sticker on them before.

[PxTx]

I've been searching for a while for these Ansen bars. They are the competition &quot;Super Ground Grabbers&quot; and are real heavy duty. They are awesome!

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/PxTx/AnsenGrabberBars.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/PxTx/AnsenGrabberBarsOEBox.jpg

[brent396]

I found thease on ebay .I had the sticker remade .I dont know what year they are but they were for a mopar never seen another set for a mopar http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp198/SPIKEYZ0/IMG_20110112_091753-1.jpg .I put them on my 67 GTX

[brent396]

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp198/SPIKEYZ0/IMG_20110121_165016.jpg

[mockingbird812]

nice underside Brent! Impressive D2 parts. Love the Dana 60 on your Chevy. Beastly looking. I'm going to need some more photos!!!!

[brent396]

Thanks this is my Mopar <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif67 GTX

[mockingbird812]

Paul - those traction bars are GREAT! Very unusual and like you said....HD!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif

[Xplantdad]

Yo Brent...Members rides??? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[brent396]

Bruce i need the GTX tail pannel waiting 9 months from metro to get one back order . <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[Xplantdad]

Okay Brent <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Tommy]

Paul, this is the inboard shock mount that goes with those Ansen traction bars you have. I have the bars as well but they seem like a lot of overkill really. They are heavy and the hardware is heavy too. Ditched mine in favor of the Lakewoods.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/68sschevyII/2012-02-21_10-09-06_832.jpg


Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[lwkitt427]

I POWDWER COATED MINE YELLOW THAT ARE MY 1979 Z28, THE CAR TO BE PAINTED IN MARCH 2012 BLACK ON BLACK 4 SP

[PxTx]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lwkitt427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I POWDWER COATED MINE YELLOW THAT ARE MY 1979 Z28, THE CAR TO BE PAINTED IN MARCH 2012 BLACK ON BLACK 4 SP </div></div>

Pics? What do they look like and brand?

[69 Post Sedan]

Check out these Ansen Ground Grabber traction bars!

eBay Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=251061896782&amp;ssPageNam e=ADME:B:SS:US:1123)

[markjohnson]

I'm fairly certain that those are Vega application being as short as they are.

[Dicky]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

DH <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[Hemicolt]

They are for a Vega.

[Dicky]

Not even a Cosworth powered Vega would need that kind of help... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif I'm guessing that they didn't sell to many sets <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

DH <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[Hemicolt]

Those were aimed toward the V-8 conversion market.

[RichSchmidt]

Grump experimented with some different stuff. The bars with the clamp on the rear half of the spring were designed to stop the car from lifting too high in the rear,and promote the front end being pulled upward. The bars that went all the way to the back and had wheels on them were designed to work as wheelie bars that stopped the rear from lifting too far while not lifting the front end. Years later,fastest street car shootout racers used wheelie bars that mounted to the chassis on a pivot and pushed down on the rear axle for the same reason. I dont know the specs on the Grump bars,but I know his shop spawned off SRD race cars,so they were probably custom modified in house. I am thinking that you could make a set and be pretty close. I had a very old set of bars that were made with big square tube instead of rectanglular,and ended at the axle and the spring eye. I think the Grump bars were made of this type of tubing(maybe 3x3)

[beater68427]

These are for my 68, I think they are Ansen Ground Grabbers from what I have seen, My car came with different ones mounted but these came with the car along with alot of other parts and I like the look better.

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd132/1972cutlass/beaterday2bars001.jpg

[TheNovaMan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichSchmidt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The bars with the clamp on the rear half of the spring were designed to stop the car from lifting too high in the rear,and promote the front end being pulled upward.</div></div>
Thanks for the explanation - I always wondered about that!

[Nova_Guy]

I just found these a couple days on Craigslist. I got them home and repaired some slight damage they had. I sandblasted and primed them to stop the rust from getting worse. I had two sets now; one set I'm going to put back on my car and one to hang on the wall.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/Nova_Guy/Part%20for%20sale/IMG_0421-1.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/Nova_Guy/Part%20for%20sale/IMG_0417-1.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/Nova_Guy/Part%20for%20sale/IMG_0426.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/Nova_Guy/Part%20for%20sale/IMG_0421.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/Nova_Guy/Part%20for%20sale/IMG_0420.jpg

These are the ones that were on my car when I bought it in 1985. I sanblasted and repainted them a couple weeks ago. I'm removng the old school ladder bars floaters I put in the car in 1991. I twisted the housing in my car at the dragstrip and I'm going back to traction bars.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/Nova_Guy/IMG_0381.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/Nova_Guy/IMG_0386.jpg

[169indy]

Took about a year to get my $35.00 swap meet find Ground Grabbers, stripped of many layers of black and red paint to base metal, cleaned up, dressed very minor burrs and sent to the platers for a quick zinc DiChromate plate job and installed. No sandblasting! Only Chem cleaning. There was an indication they were plated at some time during manufacturing. Additionally When touring a local Speed shop in Seattle (Relocated in Monroe Wa) Jim Greens performance Center. There is a Neat vintage photo of the store-counter front and on the wall are ground grabbers and I asked Jim Green if he rememberd selling them and he commented they were a &quot;GOLDEN&quot; color. This also prompted me to proceed with the plating of the bars.

Before
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TvV5YqduMYs/UOOyuHfL_WI/AAAAAAAAAAw/Jhx66pFZkd8/s640/100_3021.JPG

After
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PamdELTKFko/UOOy_nl38HI/AAAAAAAAACg/ctYcnBXNV7s/s640/100_4449.JPG

just learning to post pictures also

The decal is a fake I had made up based on the logo in a print ad from a car mag of the period.

installed on a 68 Camaro w/ multi leafs and Mr Gasket clamps on the front also.

Have not test drove the car yet.

Jim

[Salvatore]

great job returning them back to the proper color! Its fun to do the research!

[AlsV8vair]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69z28302</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jefferson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did they ever offer white traction bars? I am getting bored of the yellow but don't want to lose the &quot;day 2&quot; look by going white.
</div></div>

It looks like Sam's were white from the factory.

Mike</div></div>

Hi I just thought I would add that the Drag Dimensions trac bars of that style on Sams car were all white. they had designed something to go on the lower control arms on coil spring cars. white as well.
thanks

[mockingbird812]

<span style="font-size: 14pt">Here you go Al. This is the production photo you provided to me of <span style="font-style: italic">Drag Dimensions traction bars</span>.....
</span>
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/image_zpsf2187e54.jpg

<span style="font-size: 14pt">......and on my Nova (Al made these decals <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif ......</span>
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/70%20Roof%20Deuce/DSC_0648.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/70%20Roof%20Deuce/912cc9ab-4494-462f-933f-b6f1187cae66_zps2b756ffd.jpg

[Salvatore]

Looks great still Sam. great info too.

[Hemicolt]

Your Nova is one of the best Day 2 cars ever.

[Salvatore]

that is because it is a &quot;real&quot; Day-2 car and not a replica like most are. everything original to the car from Day-2 back in the day.

[markinnaples]

That Deuce looks better everytime I see it. Beautiful.

[Born30YrsLate]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that is because it is a &quot;real&quot; Day-2 car and not a replica like most are. everything original to the car from Day-2 back in the day. </div></div>

Sammy...did you just seperate Day2 into classes?...original Day2 and Clone Day2?... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Charley.gif

[MosportGreen66]

How did I do?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_1188_zps5af98d5b.jpg

I should get them back from the powder coater this week... then time to install on my Z28! Before anyone asks, these were painted in a POR15 tar paint and could not be saved without full restoration.

Dan

[Salvatore]

my 69 Z/28 is in Day-2 trim with many old Day-2 correct parts. Sam's car is an original Day-2 car with the orignal Day-2 parts on his car. To me that is a difference. Its like building a &quot;replica&quot; racecar out of a camaro, nova, mustang, cuda etc. Dan, those bars are the holy grail. Good deal!

[m22mike]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Born30YrsLate</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that is because it is a &quot;real&quot; Day-2 car and not a replica like most are. everything original to the car from Day-2 back in the day. </div></div>

Sammy...did you just seperate Day2 into classes?...original Day2 and Clone Day2?... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Charley.gif </div></div>

OMG... I think I might fall into Sammy's new &quot;Day 2 clone class&quot; <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

[Hemicolt]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m22mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Born30YrsLate</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that is because it is a &quot;real&quot; Day-2 car and not a replica like most are. everything original to the car from Day-2 back in the day. </div></div>

Sammy...did you just seperate Day2 into classes?...original Day2 and Clone Day2?... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Charley.gif </div></div>

OMG... I think I might fall into Sammy's new &quot;Day 2 clone class&quot; <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif </div></div>

Will the &quot;original&quot; ones need to be verified using proper documentation? Such as dated receipts or letters from former, or current, speed shop owners authenticating the parts purchases? lol

[Salvatore]

all that I am saying is that Sam's is the epitome of Day-2. When I bought my car I installed the correct Day-2 stuff on it. When Sam bought his car the Day-2 stuff from the get go was on it. Therefore my car like many in my opinion are cloned in Day-2 with the correct vintage parts. And I forgot to mention Schoney's &quot;original owner&quot; Deuce with the original Day-2 stuff from 1970 era.

[Born30YrsLate]

Understand...back to cookie cutter as-delivered it is...HA...nah, I Day2'd my car to how I would have done it if I had lived it the first go-round...someone's gotta bust ur balls Sal!...

[Fast67VelleN2O]

I personally think as long as the parts are period correct vintage, its still 'Day 2&quot; in my book. No clones about it! Seriously though, the only &quot;original&quot; Day 2 cars in my opinion were the Baldwin Motion cars. Anything else was delivered stock and the parts were installed after the fact so they're all clones.

If I bought a 3,000 mile survivor today, and then installed vintage NOS &quot;Day 2&quot; parts, would it then technically be considered genuine Day 2 since the car was never modded until that point in time?

[Salvatore]

If I installed those parts on my survivor nova that I have on my camaro I would consider my nova as a &quot;correct&quot; Day-2 replica. And Fred you are right to do so. You said it yourself you restored your COPO as a Day-2 car with the correct parts for a Day-2 look.

[Keith Seymore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If I bought a 3,000 mile survivor today, and then installed vintage NOS &quot;Day 2&quot; parts, would it then technically be considered genuine Day 2 since the car was never modded until that point in time? </div></div>

I suppose so. It was just a verrrryyyy loooonnngggg second day....

K

[Hemicolt]

I've been thinking about putting a name or something, in metal flake, on the rear of the Vega. Since we are now dissecting if Day 2 is clone or original, I think the name will be &quot;Unaffiliated&quot;..lol

[Chevyfever]

Anyone need a day 1 driver for their day 2 car!

[GTO_DON]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I personally think as long as the parts are period correct vintage, its still 'Day 2&quot; in my book. No clones about it! Seriously though, the only &quot;original&quot; Day 2 cars in my opinion were the Baldwin Motion cars. Anything else was delivered stock and the parts were installed after the fact so they're all clones.

If I bought a 3,000 mile survivor today, and then installed vintage NOS &quot;Day 2&quot; parts, would it then technically be considered genuine Day 2 since the car was never modded until that point in time? </div></div>No I dont believe so Matt...You have to remember these were times when you made the car your own with your personality all over it like writing names and phrases on the fenders and putting the performance parts you like the best ETC I don think sammy was trying to start anything but he remembers the good ole days and us old timers who was there still likes when a genuine Day 2 car is found in a barn or old garage and brings back the memories on how we streetraced and hung out thats all..I think its a nice testamint to those who want to replicate a time gone by but theres nothing like finding a real day 2 car that was beat the snot out of and ruled the streets in your hometown...Hope im not pissing anyone off but thats how i feel..

[Plowman]

Well said GTO Don.

[C1SS396]

So we have As Found restored to day 2/raced ? Which is one side of the fence that's cool .As found as survivor (except the mouse piss smell)That's cool (I will tell you i am not looking for a 30 year old mouse to replace the smell in my latest find )Then their is oem restored that is also cool .. So tell me what is the wrong why to enjoy and save these cars ?

&quot;Except my opinion and my pinion only to take a car with race history or history and put it back to stock &quot;
Take Big willy of the LA street racers Super birds or the Red Alert chevelle etc etc.Think these kids cared if or were their cars fell?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53T7zpI8C80

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Too many cool old race cars fall under the knife anymore for restoration cough cough the green copo Camaro cough cough

[Salvatore]

Thats because non car guys think they need everything shiny. Strip all history from the vehicle. Some things/cars need attention but many do not and in my opinion should be preserved if at all possible.

[MosportGreen66]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I personally think as long as the parts are period correct vintage, its still 'Day 2&quot; in my book. No clones about it! Seriously though, the only &quot;original&quot; Day 2 cars in my opinion were the Baldwin Motion cars. Anything else was delivered stock and the parts were installed after the fact so they're all clones.

If I bought a 3,000 mile survivor today, and then installed vintage NOS &quot;Day 2&quot; parts, would it then technically be considered genuine Day 2 since the car was never modded until that point in time? </div></div>No I dont believe so Matt...You have to remember these were times when you made the car your own with your personality all over it like writing names and phrases on the fenders and putting the performance parts you like the best ETC I don think sammy was trying to start anything but he remembers the good ole days and us old timers who was there still likes when a genuine Day 2 car is found in a barn or old garage and brings back the memories on how we streetraced and hung out thats all..I think its a nice testamint to those who want to replicate a time gone by but theres nothing like finding a real day 2 car that was beat the snot out of and ruled the streets in your hometown...Hope im not pissing anyone off but thats how i feel.. </div></div>

That's ridiculous Don. You're cutting down current generations and those yet to come who live and breath this stuff. The original day-2 cars are near impossible to find as is. Classifying good, honest cars turned into a &quot;day-2&quot; car today as clones because they were not such when new is asinine. I'm surprised more folk on this site who frequent this section of the forum are not offended.

[Salvatore]

Dan, these are just opinions. NOTHING wrong with the Day-2 themes of today. My Z is a an example of that. Its just a correct Day-2 clone in my opinion. Everything on my Z that is day-2 was put on by me. In that case my car is a Day-2 replica because I did the conversion 40 years after it was born. Again I will pick on Sam Griffith's car, My Z even with all the correct stuff, can't compete with a car like his or a Deuce like Schoenthaler's for a &quot;real Day-2&quot; title. How about the black Motion 69 camaro that we saw in Chicago a year or so ago. Another great example. They are truly Day-2 IMO. Dan, as always keep the opinions and responses coming. At least we all love the Day-2 theme and what it stands for.

[Tommy]

to quote Billy Crystal in Throw Mamma From the Train &quot;I have a enormous headache in my eye.&quot;

Real and fake day 2 cars???? Really ?


Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[Hemicolt]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tommy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to quote Billy Crystal in Throw Mamma From the Train &quot;I have a enormous headache in my eye.&quot;

Real and fake day 2 cars???? Really ?


Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif </div></div>

All are welcome to come over to the Unaffiliated side..lol

[GTO_DON]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I personally think as long as the parts are period correct vintage, its still 'Day 2&quot; in my book. No clones about it! Seriously though, the only &quot;original&quot; Day 2 cars in my opinion were the Baldwin Motion cars. Anything else was delivered stock and the parts were installed after the fact so they're all clones.

If I bought a 3,000 mile survivor today, and then installed vintage NOS &quot;Day 2&quot; parts, would it then technically be considered genuine Day 2 since the car was never modded until that point in time? </div></div>No I dont believe so Matt...You have to remember these were times when you made the car your own with your personality all over it like writing names and phrases on the fenders and putting the performance parts you like the best ETC I don think sammy was trying to start anything but he remembers the good ole days and us old timers who was there still likes when a genuine Day 2 car is found in a barn or old garage and brings back the memories on how we streetraced and hung out thats all..I think its a nice testamint to those who want to replicate a time gone by but theres nothing like finding a real day 2 car that was beat the snot out of and ruled the streets in your hometown...Hope im not pissing anyone off but thats how i feel.. </div></div>

That's ridiculous Don. You're cutting down current generations and those yet to come who live and breath this stuff. The original day-2 cars are near impossible to find as is. Classifying good, honest cars turned into a &quot;day-2&quot; car today as clones because they were not such when new is asinine. I'm surprised more folk on this site who frequent this section of the forum are not offended. </div></div>
A replica is still a replica Dan Try not to be offended. I stand by my opinion...You should concentrate on restoring your car instead of making it a day 2 car it never was anyway. youll like it better in the long run.

[Born30YrsLate]

Dan...do what Don says then sell me those traction bars <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

This is getting heavy...so next logical question based on the discussion above...if a person restores a car to stock specs but the car is missing original born-with parts, eg distributor, rims, carb, ect...but original GM date code correct parts are used in the restoration to return the car back to as-delivered...is the car then considered an &quot;as-delivered&quot; clone or &quot;stock&quot; replica...

You guys crack me up...I say we drink about it!

[Fast67VelleN2O]

I'll throw away all my cool NOS and vintage Day 2 parts that I have and have been saving all these years. No one wants to be called a clone day 2 and these parts are basically junk now.

[Igosplut]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hemicolt</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tommy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to quote Billy Crystal in Throw Mamma From the Train &quot;I have a enormous headache in my eye.&quot;

Real and fake day 2 cars???? Really ?


Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif </div></div>

All are welcome to come over to the Unaffiliated side..lol </div></div>

I'm with you..

My 66 Nova was a straight axle car built in the 70s. I kept it a straight axle because that's the way it was. Now it has many improvements that do not reflect the 70s (and people love to hang the &quot;Gasser&quot; label on it). It is what it is.

[Hemicolt]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll throw away all my cool NOS and vintage Day 2 parts that I have and have been saving all these years. No one wants to be called a clone day 2 and these parts are basically junk now. </div></div>


Save your parts and join my club. There are now two members. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif

[Tommy]

All barn find day 2 cars from this point forward must now be restored with firewall pounded in in around dizzy if car is found with an HEI. All fuses found wrapped in aluminum foil must be rewrapped in aluminum foil. Wires for stereo equipment or fuel pump that are pushed between fuse and fuse holder must be duplicated. Front bowl of holley carb must be beat to death with screwdriver or 9/16 open end wrench if found that way and sheet metal screw must still be installed to make secondaries mechanical. Bent extended shackles have to be reused along with one bent leaf spring and traction bars that are bent or have holes wallered out or have slight curb or road rash.... if factory paint runs and over spray are being duplicated than this new fangled category of the &quot;hobby&quot; must also be exact in all areas.... don't forget to duplicate all the holes in the floor that were drilled for a bench to bucket swap or the parts purchased that were made to fit but weren't ever for that car to begin with.... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[Tommy]

Just having fun with it, before anyone thinks I'm serious. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif


Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[Igosplut]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tommy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All barn find day 2 cars from this point forward must now be restored with....

Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif </div></div>

You're forgetting the jagged-unevenly cut shifter tunnel, White paint underneath, and red/orange paint on the rear drums......

[Salvatore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Born30YrsLate</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan...do what Don says then sell me those traction bars <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

This is getting heavy...so next logical question based on the discussion above...if a person restores a car to stock specs but the car is missing original born-with parts, eg distributor, rims, carb, ect...but original GM date code correct parts are used in the restoration to return the car back to as-delivered...is the car then considered an &quot;as-delivered&quot; clone or &quot;stock&quot; replica...

You guys crack me up...I say we drink about it! </div></div>I would say you are just doing the best you can with what you got Fred! Like my Z, I do not think doing a car in Day-2 trim hurts anything if it is a non numbers car. Everybody likes your car the way it is Freddy! Go out and pound on it once and awhile. Does the heart good.

[Hemicolt]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tommy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All barn find day 2 cars from this point forward must now be restored with firewall pounded in in around dizzy if car is found with an HEI. All fuses found wrapped in aluminum foil must be rewrapped in aluminum foil. Wires for stereo equipment or fuel pump that are pushed between fuse and fuse holder must be duplicated. Front bowl of holley carb must be beat to death with screwdriver or 9/16 open end wrench if found that way and sheet metal screw must still be installed to make secondaries mechanical. Bent extended shackles have to be reused along with one bent leaf spring and traction bars that are bent or have holes wallered out or have slight curb or road rash.... if factory paint runs and over spray are being duplicated than this new fangled category of the &quot;hobby&quot; must also be exact in all areas.... don't forget to duplicate all the holes in the floor that were drilled for a bench to bucket swap or the parts purchased that were made to fit but weren't ever for that car to begin with.... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif </div></div>


LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Schonyenko2]

Dude, don't forget the zig zag papers, roach clips, and beer tabs.

Hope they don't start doin DNA tests on the &quot;love stains&quot; in the back seats. Could get ugly for some original owners.

BTW Fred did have period correct zig zag papers in his glove box. We found a bunch in the H/O Nova that we reatored a few years ago, and since he had a date coded PBR case, he had to have the papers. That outta be an extra points thingy. (big smile)

[MosportGreen66]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A replica is still a replica Dan Try not to be offended. I stand by my opinion...You should concentrate on restoring your car instead of making it a day 2 car it never was anyway. youll like it better in the long run. </div></div>

Why? For you to then tell me its just an average Z with a cookie cutter restoration? You're point conflicts itself in and out. I don't want to hear this romanticized recount of how things were in the past. It is now 2013. I own a completely documented 1969 Z28 with all born with original components. I have modified as I would have in 1969 using period correct parts bought from your e-buddies. I chuckle at your ignorance in calling my car a replica, clone, copy, or any other synonym indicating reproduction. Still offended. I still think you're full of...

[Salvatore]

Now, now Dan......these are just opinions and nothing personal to anyone. When I think of Day-2 there are 2 people that come to my mind rite of way....... Don White and the other is Day-2 Dave Miller. Both have collected many parts and lived it. There are many of us older guys out there that do this and have done this but these two come to lite quickly for &quot;me&quot;. We all can do what we want to our cars and really none of it is wrong. Maybe we should shift the Day-2 discussion to a Survivor discussion and what we think that means. Schonye, that was a great addition. No repop stuff in that description.

[Born30YrsLate]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div> Go out and pound on it once and awhile. Does the heart good. [/quote]

I tried Sammy...these solid lifter big block cars run like crap in Wiscy winter...no traction in the snow either...geez, no wonder nobody wanted these cars... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[wheelhop]

So in 2013, the politically correct term for a 69 chevelle restored and in day-2 trim should now be called &quot;Day-16,061&quot;

(44 yrs. times 365 days + 1 = 16,061)

[MosportGreen66]

The vast majority of the cars modified as &quot;day-2&quot; did not happen on the very second day of ownership. The transformation happened over time and evolved with changing tastes.

I guess all of these cars are day-2 clones now... LOL

[Salvatore]

well, I know mine is Dan. The point is the original Day-2 cars like I mentioned earlier and there are more of them out there, should demand more respect &quot;in my opinion&quot; then the ones done now with the correct parts. Jim you are right Day-16,000 for my 69 Z/28. HA!

[Tommy]

I'm only using &quot;day2&quot; as an additional selling word or phrase on Ebay and other interweb spots from now on.... My Nova is a &quot;Hotrod&quot; anyway. it was a hotrod when I found it and it's a hotrod today. The only people that don't ask me what day 2 means are on about 3 forums so it really doesn't matter. the speed parts I have on my car usually get 2 responses. The older gear heads say something like &quot;thats the stuff we ran when I was your age&quot; and the younger guys usually say &quot;whats that thing&quot; or &quot;you would be a lot better off with caltracs dude&quot; ... They all look at me like I stepped off a space ship if I tell them I have to set more than one set of points....


Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[PxTx]

It's kinda crazy weeding through what is and isn't a legit day 2 car. When the term was first introduced to me, I thought I knew what it was. I then listened to others and realized they had a different interpretation than mine.

I don't think we'll all agree, but I'm not offended by differences in opinion here.

I don't know thr previous owners or history of my 65. I've owned it since about 1991. I don't consider it a real day 2 car. I added the crossram and vertigate shifter when I was 17 and it wasn't to fit some category or to make people like my car more. The only way it could be a day 2 car was if previous owners had modified it early on in life- like 3 years max. That is my definition. If old history on my car ever becomes available maybe I'll change my mind.

I've got the benefit of perspective from my dad's 67 Nova. It had 302 and 427 motor swaps, a name written on the car by a local artist and influenced many people on early aftermarket style...all by 1969. I'll walk a local car show, and people remember the car. Some from the 60's, some recall it a bit later when it began a sleeper theme, but it left an impression with many locals. If you don't have that, you might not have a real day 2 car.

I do enjoy these day 2 themed builds. Without a historical connection to a previous aftermarket equipment configuration, a current day 2 build is only a theme. I would like to understand those who feel differently. Without using analogies, does anyone care to share?

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Is this car &quot;Day 2&quot; or a &quot;Day 2 clone&quot;? The previous owner put on Lakewood traction bars but painted them black, Cobra valve covers and intake manifold, 700 double pumper, tri y headers, turbo mufflers, a big solid cam, Shelby gauges under the dash, and Cragar GT wheels. This was in 1979. The only thing I did was put the stock wheels back on so I could restore the Cragar wheels. Is this a clone since it took 12 years from when it was new to put these parts on?

[DarrenX33]

Wow. Talk about blowing a topic out of proportion. All Sammy said is that Sam's deuce is a genuine day 2 car from back in the day. Don't think anyone can argue that. All should agree there is a difference between what was done back then vs done today.

Going off on these tangents is what sucks the life even further out of the hobby. To each his own boys. Let it go while its still kinda fun.

[Salvatore]

Thanks Darren. that really sums it up!

[Fast67VelleN2O]

So Sam's Deuce is more Day 2 because the parts were put on a few years before someone else's day 2 car? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[DarrenX33]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So Sam's Deuce is more Day 2 because the parts were put on a few years before someone else's day 2 car? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif</div></div>

Really? You really wanna keep this going? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[Salvatore]

Matt, I consider you a smart car guy and a knowledgable parts person. You know what I was driving at.

[C1SS396]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So in 2013, the politically correct term for a 69 chevelle restored and in day-2 trim should now be called &quot;Day-16,061&quot;

(44 yrs. times 365 days + 1 = 16,061) </div></div>

Did you take into account leap years in your math ?

[wheelhop]

No, someone smarter than I will have to figure that one out!

[C1SS396]

Lol. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Fast67VelleN2O]

For the record, I was just pushing buttons. Hopefully no one took any offence. No matter who or how its labeled, &quot;Day 2&quot; kicks ass!

[Hemicolt]

Romans were just people living at a particular time in history and did not know or care that they would be remembered.
But Edward Gibbon spent years researching and writing &quot;The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire&quot;.
If not for Gibbons work, we may not have ever known about this important time in human history.
So which is more important, the Romans for just living their lives, or Gibbon for doing the work to pass on that history to future generations?
I personally don't look at either one of them being more important than the other. They were just people, at different times in history, doing what they do.
Get it?

[wheelhop]

This post is getting too political for me.

[Hemicolt]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This post is getting too political for me. </div></div>

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

[Schonyenko2]

Fred's buyin PBR, passin out the mouse chewed zig zag papers, (nothin else) but NOBODIES usin his back seat. Except maybe Fred.

[C1SS396]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0&amp;desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1sO NfxPCTU0

[C1SS396]

So pbr and weed and fast cars I am in(no matter when they were built) . In that case the party is at my house then . We'll fire up the mini bikes and the Gasser. We can grill some steaks and lie about women ,just have fun and Howl at the moon . Watch bad car movies .
Oh that's right we call already that super Chevy weekend at maple grove.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C1SS396</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So pbr and weed and fast cars I am in(no matter when they were built) . In that case the party is at my house then . We'll fire up the mini bikes and the Gasser. We can grill some steaks and lie about women ,just have fun and Howl at the moon . Watch bad car movies .
Oh that's right we call already that super Chevy weekend at maple grove. </div></div>

I've been scouring the internets for really bad D movies (yes they are so bad they aren't B movies) in preparation for Super Chevy!

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The vast majority of the cars modified as &quot;day-2&quot; did not happen on the very second day of ownership. The transformation happened over time and evolved with changing tastes.

I guess all of these cars are day-2 clones now... LOL

</div></div>

Exactly.... My Mustang was built in 1974.

BTW Where does my car fit in? I'm replacing 3/4 of the original speed equipment with NOS pieces because the original were damaged.i.e.e the Offie tunnel ram on it was rotted out inside(All ford sb's do this because water lays in the passage), Sun Tach and gauges had major face damage from the sun, one of the M/T valve covers was cracked because the owner tightned it a bit too much at one time, I have found all original NOS Cragars etc that are the same size as the pitted originals...orig cal Custom water neck is corroded to pieces, Hurst Super boot has rips in the rubber on and on.

Let's also talk about quality of workmanship(as Tommy brought up humorsly) I'm redoing the hood scoop hole and making it better. Quality was not exactly the high point on many of these cars back then. The best of the cars on the ISCA show circuit back then would be placed in the basement with the rat rods at shows today.

So does that make my car a survivor or a repo?? What about cars that were original D2, restored in the 80's/90's then put back to D2 status recently with nos speed equipment that matched the original version?

All what matters in my mind is the parts be authentic for the year you want to car to represent. Original survivor Day 2 cars are great but there is so few of them out there.

I'm just glad guys are building Day 2 cars and I don't care about the pedigree TBH

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Too many cool old race cars fall under the knife anymore for restoration cough cough the green copo Camaro cough cough </div></div>

That whole deal is a travesty....another cookie cutter dog dish wearing Copo.

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This post is getting too political for me. </div></div>

Same here, I go to this thread to cheer me up (not safe for work, chillun or wives/gf's present lol)

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=145347161&amp;page=14

[Hemicolt]

The original thread was started about traction bars on 12/04/11. It took until 02/14/13 to get to 8 pages and that is were I made the comment about the Nova being one of the best Day 2 cars ever.
It's only took 10 days to add 6 more pages and we haven't really talked about traction bars.
We have went from Day 2 being discussed as real or cloned, becoming unaffiliated from all of this, a quote from &quot;Throw Momma from the Train&quot;, one member throwing all of his parts away, a new politically correct term for Day 2, a parallel between which is more important..the people who lived history or the historian for working his tale off to bring it all back, all this being called &quot;to political&quot;..lol, PBR,weed and bad movies, Dave...IMO... getting it right by pointing out the pedigree doesn't matter with this tangent of the car hobby, and finally...a thread with shots of some of the best Day 2 rears I have ever seen.

If we haven't solved anything, I think we have all proven we are guilty of being A.D.D. and not afraid to take a thread down a dirt road in record time.

[Salvatore]

Hemicolt....our new Editor and Chief. Sums the whole thread up. it does not take much to get our motors running!

[scuncio]

Can you guys ID these traction bars for me? Guy I bought them from told me they are Lakewoods from the mid-1970s. Thanks!

http://tonyn.smugmug.com/Other/1966-Nova/i-WwSBrLS/0/L/photo%20%284%29-L.jpg

[whitetop]

Yep Lakewoods-&quot;Traction Action&quot; series with the competition j-bolt set up. Early 70's-you can tell by long tail on the rear and they still have the rear spring clamps on the rear. The length of the bar on the ones in the mid 70's ended right after the axle pad.

Fit 67-69 Camaro, 68-74 ish Nova etc.

[Salvatore]

Good bars Tony. Tough to find especially with the hardware.

[scuncio]

Thanks! This guy evidently had them on a 68 Camaro. What do you mean by the 'competition' j-bolt?

[Salvatore]

The &quot;J&quot; bolts are the big bolts that go from the axle pad to the heavy &quot;U&quot; bolts underneath. Many leave them off on the street but shouldn't IMO. That is the Lakewood trade mark for me.

[scuncio]

Thanks Sam...I recognized the J-bolts but wasn't sure if the 'competition' J-bolt had any significance.

[Salvatore]

Look at the bars out today Tone. I do not believe any have the old style &quot;J&quot; bolt setup. Tough at times to buy the heavy &quot;U&quot; bolts and &quot;J&quot; bolts anymore. For the wider, earlier bars the heavy &quot;U&quot; bolts are almost impossible to find. Have to have them made.

[scuncio]

Gotcha. Glad this one has most of the hardware there.

[Salvatore]

has all the hardware except the snubbers. You can buy them easy and then cut them square to eliminate the cone shape they have. There are rattle can paint colors out there to replicate all the colors of the hardware and also the bars.

[chevyandpontiac]

I am looking for some help with these traction bars, Hurst adjust a bar. Here are two pictures of them, they are very beefy. when I sandblasted them they seemed to be white first. I have check through my old books and can not find a match for these in any of them. I was hoping some one else my have seen them or had a catalog with them in it. These are for 67-69 camaro.
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/04/full-10756-4002-hurst_bars_2.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2013/04/full-10756-4003-hurst_bars_1.jpg

[mockingbird812]

Cool, one size fits all! Not seen these before.

[Salvatore]

Boy, I bet they are heavy. Don't think I remember seeing adjustable bars like that but a good idea for snubber to spring placement.

[67 Nova Boy]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=147249

See if this helps any...

Dave
67 Nova Boy

[whitetop]

They could be modified early square tube Lakewoods...don't discount that possibility out.

I have seen some really well done mods on speed equipment over the years that look factory/higher quality of workmanship than factory. Lot of machinist/perfectionist out there who modified these parts like this all the time...who had a better idea and went with it.

[300deluxeL79]

could be modified lakewoods, i see some yellow paint.
here's a pair of hurst on a '55-'56 frame...

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo33/69belair/55-57%20PARTS/556012_160714934080352_191535950_n_zpsf21e4dd4.jpg

[mockingbird812]

Linda................ <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gif

[Starship]

Inner sleeve looks like a heaver ga. steel. Probabably owner modified Lakewoods.

[PxTx]

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/PxTx/Grumpybars.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/PxTx/glc.jpg

Yep, even the guy who invented them would modify them from time to time. I dig the wheelie bar mod!

[chevyandpontiac]

I knew you would come up with a picture of them Paul. But what took you so long.

[notstock71]

Anyone able to ID these?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/notstock71/tractionbar1_zpse5f6547c.png


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/notstock71/tractionbar3_zpsefd3d8cb.png


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/notstock71/tractionbar2_zps7593de8e.png

[chevyandpontiac]

Lakewood competition for Mopar part number 21300. The extension was an add on by some one

[notstock71]

Thanks for the help. Are you sure on the application? They were supposed to be off a 71Nova. My cars buried &amp; my sons (who's car they are for) is away for the winter. I had a feeling they were modified to reach the spring eye &amp; that's ok. Now I'm hoping they will fit his car.

[whitetop]

Yep, Duster/Demon A-body--you can tell by the shock absorber bracket

[chevyandpontiac]

If you want to see what the camaro nova ones look like there is a set for sale in the parts section. They are a very nice set

[notstock71]

This is a little upsetting. Seller said he removed them from his 71 Nova to put Cal Tracs on.
Thanks for the help.

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: notstock71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a little upsetting. Seller said he removed them from his 71 Nova to put Cal Tracs on.
Thanks for the help. </div></div>

They will work on your Nova..the spring pad perch are basically universal and those bolt holes are grooved out for several different u-bolt diameters.

[notstock71]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whitetop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: notstock71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a little upsetting. Seller said he removed them from his 71 Nova to put Cal Tracs on.
Thanks for the help. </div></div>

They will work on your Nova..the spring pad perch are basically universal and those bolt holes are grooved out for several different u-bolt diameters.

</div></div>

Thanks for making what appeared to be a bad situation a good one. Now I'm torn, do I cut the extension off to make them as they were or do I leave them as is since they are supposed to hit right at the spring eye. Opinions on color?

[PxTx]

I would leave them modded. Paint either yellow ir black, not knowing anything about your car.

[notstock71]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would leave them modded. Paint either yellow ir black, not knowing anything about your car. </div></div>

Its a 69 I bought for my now 10 year old son. He wants to do the car day 2 style. He wants to keep the 5 slot rims, add a stinger hood, respray in original butternut yellow, etc. He has pictures on his wall of the blue day 2 Yenko Duece from a fellow member. That's the look he wants for his car.

[brent396]

I picked thease up does anyone know who makes them and how rare are they the guy said he had them on a 69 z 2/8 in the early 70s http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp198/SPIKEYZ0/IMG_20130429_160413_486.jpg

[PxTx]

Oh Brent, I'm sure you've never seen a set of those bars posted up in a Day 2 thread aunere. Whatever possesed you to bring a pair of those home? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

[ss427copo]

Bars on the 69 with 4* wedges. They've been on the car with this Day 2 setup since day one!

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r59/nhra1060sc/image-10_zpsf8c13671.jpg (http://s141.photobucket.com/user/nhra1060sc/media/image-10_zpsf8c13671.jpg.html)

[brent396]

Paul who makes them and how rare are they? thanks

[mr.4speed]

they look like the drag dimensions on page three of this tread to me.

[mockingbird812]

Sure do look like Drag Dimensions. They were made in Canada and you just don't see them very often.

[brent396]

Thanks Guys so they did make them in early 70s.Does anyone make the stickers for them

[brent396]

Who owns the set on page three anybody knows thanks

[mockingbird812]

<span style="font-size: 11pt">If you are referring to the &quot;Drag Dimensions&quot; bars, those are mine. They were added to my '70 Nova as a Christmas present given from the original owner wife to hubby in 1970 (you gotta love that woman <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif!). When I bought the car, I did not know the brand of slapper bars as there were no decals or other markings to tell me the manuafacturer. Al Corporon (AlsV8vair) figured out what they were and let me know <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/laugh.gif. I believe he had family members that worked at the DD factory (in Canada), so he probably has a pretty good handle on the history of that company. Al did make up some decals (which you see here (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/357058/27) ) and may still have some. My bars were restored by the talented masters of </span><span style="font-style: italic"> <span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="color: #3333FF"> <span style="font-size: 14pt">&quot;Deuce Heaven&quot;</span> </span> </span> </span> <span style="font-size: 11pt">up north in the hinterland known as Iowa. What do you plan to do with them?


Al's email: </span> alcorporon@sympatico.ca (mailto:alcorporon@sympatico.ca)

[PeteLeathersac]

Very cool to see the Drag Dimension stuff getting some recognition!
Rip Curly.

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/image_zpsf2187e54.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/70%20Roof%20Deuce/DSC_0648.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/70%20Roof%20Deuce/912cc9ab-4494-462f-933f-b6f1187cae66_zps2b756ffd.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/70%20Roof%20Deuce/DSC_0074.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2013/05/full-2506-4617-dragdimfiat.jpg

[brent396]

Thanks a lot for the info sam going to email him now <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Check these out. Vintage Chevelle lower traction bars. They are NOS. Anyone seen anything like these ever? I haven't!

[Salvatore]

wow, never saw them. neat looking!

[markjohnson]

Those blue A-body traction bars are something I can remember seeing in the Eighties at a local speed shop. I'm pretty certain that they were manufactured by a company named MAS.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

The guy I got these from couldn't remember the brand name but said he purchased them in the mid 70's and never used them. He ended up using a ladder bar setup instead.

[Igosplut]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markjohnson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those blue A-body traction bars are something I can remember seeing in the Eighties at a local speed shop. I'm pretty certain that they were manufactured by a company named MAS.</div></div>

You're right on that account. I have a number of old Racing Unlimited (long defunct, and they sold &quot;MAS Roadster&quot; axles and such) catalogs and I just looked at one. There's a picture of those listed as &quot;4010 Chevelle, Tempest, Olds, etc&quot; and described as &quot; The ultimate for coil/spring control. Features soild bushed control arms that replace the stock arm. Easy to install. Effective preload towers---So much adjustment you can raise the car 6&quot; just by tightening the U bolts. Can be run with or without U bolts intact. Fits all Buick special, Chevelle, GTO, Tempest, Olds 442, and F85&quot;

68.00$

[Hawkeye]

Very cool. Would like to see underside and a picture of an advertisement for them if anyone has one. What are your plans for them?

Marty

[PxTx]

You get 1 guess for what Matt does with the old speed equipment he posts up here.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Here are two more sets. I believe the yellow set is Lakewoods and they are NOS.

The orange set look like they could be NMW by the color or they could be very early Mr. Gaskets since they were painted orange as well.

[whitetop]

The yellow bars are for 70-81 Camaro.

I believe the orange ones are Lakewoods. Someone could have blasted them and painted them orange. Never seen NMW's in that style..also the spring perch pads are identical to Lakewoods.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Thanks Whitetop. Check out page 5 of this thread. Post # 481325. There is a set of orange Mr. Gasket bars that look similar to these.

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Whitetop. Check out page 5 of this thread. Post # 481325. There is a set of orange Mr. Gasket bars that look similar to these. </div></div>

There are differences..look at the clamp that holds the spring u-bolt--it has square ends, not rounded like Lakewoods.

[PxTx]

I've never seen a set of NMW slapper bars, but would be interested in buying a set if they were ever made. Has anyone seen a set in ads or even in person?

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never seen a set of NMW slapper bars, but would be interested in buying a set if they were ever made. Has anyone seen a set in ads or even in person? </div></div>

I have 3-4 NMW catalogs and have never seen slapper bars either.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Thanks for the info guys. I appreciate it.

-Matt

[Igosplut]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here are two more sets. I believe the yellow set is Lakewoods and they are NOS.

The orange set look like they could be NMW by the color or they could be very early Mr. Gaskets since they were painted orange as well.</div></div>

Ya know I have to ask. I've broken Muncies in every conceivable way and never broken a tail housing the way that one is in the backround.......what happened?

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Igosplut</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Ya know I have to ask. I've broken Muncies in every conceivable way and never broken a tail housing the way that one is in the backround.......what happened? </div></div>

I'll post pictures of that one tomorrow. Blown up drag racing apparently.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Igosplut</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Ya know I have to ask. I've broken Muncies in every conceivable way and never broken a tail housing the way that one is in the backround.......what happened? </div></div>

This unit came with a pile of Muncies I purchased a few years back. Worse I've ever seen. I was only able to save the bearing retainer, some hardware, and one slider assembly. The guy told me he blew it up drag racing.

[Salvatore]

looks like it was broke a couple of times.

[68l30]

&quot;Love the smell of gear lube in the morning&quot;.... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif



BIG

[Verne_Frantz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">looks like it was broke a couple of times. </div></div>

You mean to say he made another pass after the first problem??????????

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

[300deluxeL79]

the definition of grenaded <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[Plowman]

Broke front Universal Joint,on hard pass,could be the problem. Seen this occur before.

[Igosplut]

That's wall art if I ever saw it. You can show that to the guys who never drive their cars, afraid that something will happen.....

Sorry it's late, but here's the page from the Racing Unlimited catalog with the traction bars....

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/Igosplut/Tractionbars014_zps9a3a92ed.jpg (http://s56.photobucket.com/user/Igosplut/media/Tractionbars014_zps9a3a92ed.jpg.html)

[Hawkeye]

Thank you for sharing. Greatly appreciated.

Marty

[Hemicolt]

Another style of Vega bars.

[mr.4speed]

Those are cool!!

[Dicky]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Importing Zach's pictures from that thread:

http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss236/zach_carter/1968%20Nova/IMG_1082.jpg





</div></div>Marlin, do you know what brand of cheater slick is on this car???

Thanks DH <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[PxTx]

I would bet Hurst Round Shoulder tires based on that yellow oval. Probably had them cut a pair of cheater grooves in 'em!

http://hurstracingtires.com/1093440.html

[Dicky]

Thanks Paul, I wondered what company had that little oval. I couldn't
find it on line. Thanks again.

Dicky <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[chevyandpontiac]

Many shapes and sizes of traction bars. I have started to sort mine out , I love pictures of day 2 parts. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/03/full-10756-10073-image.jpg

[BillD]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chevyandpontiac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Many shapes and sizes of traction bars. I have started to sort mine out , I love pictures of day 2 parts. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/03/full-10756-10073-image.jpg
</div></div>

Thanks for the pictures of your traction bar collection. Do you know anything about the set in the middle of the middle row (look to be bare metal) in the photo? Are they unequal length? I have 2 sets of those and do not know the manufacturer and the reason for the unequal length.

[chevyandpontiac]

They are the early square tube Lakewood, they were the first bolt ones from Lakewood. Also they use a different bottom plate than the current j bolt bars. The ones I have are for 1st gen camaro and 68 to 72 nova If you have 2 sets that is cool since there are not a lot of them around. Can you post pictures of yours?

[BillD]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chevyandpontiac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They are the early square tube Lakewood, they were the first bolt ones from Lakewood. Also they use a different bottom plate than the current j bolt bars. The ones I have are for 1st gen camaro and 68 to 72 nova If you have 2 sets that is cool since there are not a lot of them around. Can you post pictures of yours?</div></div>

Here is a photo and thanks for the info. I guess these would be the first desing lakewood bars? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/03/full-1223-10120-dsc_0366_medium.jpg

[PxTx]

Do you think you are mistaken about the unequal length? Seems like you have 2 matching bars, just different colors.

[BillD]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you think you are mistaken about the unequal length? Seems like you have 2 matching bars, just different colors.</div></div> I bought the bars at different times. The yellow ones I had for a long time. The black ones I bought at a different time a few years ago. I brought up the question as the photo from &quot;chevyandpontiac&quot; seems to show unequal length square tube bars

[Salvatore]

maybe some Stock/Superstock raecer mixed the bars for different load purposes. Any for sale?

[PxTx]

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175124_zpsalu7fp5k.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175124_zpsalu7fp5k.jpg.html)


http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175303_zpsbszwec6n.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175303_zpsbszwec6n.jpg.html)

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175320_zps3xkl3kye.jpg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/Day%202%20Stuff/20140315_175320_zps3xkl3kye.jpg.html)

These are off a 50's Vette. Probably the shortest set made at 25&quot; long. They are the later style, cause the wider spring pad and lack of a tail. They are also equal in length. What do those other ones measure without the tail? I can only guess that the unequal set-up was an early thing, before slapper bars were properly sorted.

[BillD]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BillD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you think you are mistaken about the unequal length? Seems like you have 2 matching bars, just different colors.</div></div> I bought the bars at different times. The yellow ones I had for a long time. The black ones I bought at a different time a few years ago. I brought up the question as the photo from &quot;chevyandpontiac&quot; seems to show unequal length square tube bars</div></div>

Paul, here is a photo of the bars showing the length. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/billdamsky/102_1690.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/billdamsky/media/102_1690.jpg.html)

[Salvatore]

Bill, think someone cut the front off one of those bars? The snubber position seems to show one hole or two holes available for the one bar.

[PxTx]

Can you read the tape? Seems fuzzy on my phone.

[Plowman]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BillD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BillD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you think you are mistaken about the unequal length? Seems like you have 2 matching bars, just different colors.</div></div> I bought the bars at different times. The yellow ones I had for a long time. The black ones I bought at a different time a few years ago. I brought up the question as the photo from &quot;chevyandpontiac&quot; seems to show unequal length square tube bars</div></div>

Paul, here is a photo of the bars showing the length. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/billdamsky/102_1690.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/billdamsky/media/102_1690.jpg.html) </div></div>***24&amp;1/2&quot;from center of snubber to rear&quot;U&quot;bolt hole,I get. Odd about the Bars.

[BillD]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bill, think someone cut the front off one of those bars? The snubber position seems to show one hole or two holes available for the one bar.</div></div>

Sam the second hole on the longer yellow bar was added. I can tell that because the second hole is not on the reinforcement plate inside the bar where the snubber screws in. The second hole was added to the longer bar so that the snubber would contact the springs in the same spot for both bars. What got me going on this subject again was the picture above from &quot;ChevyandPontiac&quot; also shows unequal length bars.

[Plowman]

&quot;chevyandPonitiac&quot; and &quot;BillD&quot; show or have the odd bars.

[68l30]

Here's a couple of mine. Square tube Lakewoods and not really sure who made the blue ones...Reminded me of a Nickey type bar.


BIG

[Salvatore]

In all these years Bill I have never seen or maybe forgot that I ever saw uneven traction bars. I am updating my mind daily lately! Thanks to all you guys for posting this stuff.

[MosportGreen66]

Sam, check these out...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Lakewood...dd1&amp;vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Lakewood-Traction-Action-Orig-Square-Bar-67-68-69-70-Camaro-Yenko-Nova-/321349135825?pt=Race_Car_Parts&amp;hash=item4ad1e6add1 &amp;vxp=mtr)

[cook_dw]

I know this is a thread about traction bars but does anyone remember or have seen a production set of ladder bars that would require a piece welded to the rear frame rails or would this have been a homemade job? Thanks, Darrell

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/superslow/1968%20302%20Camaro/DSC02435.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/superslow/media/1968%20302%20Camaro/DSC02435.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/superslow/1968%20302%20Camaro/DSC02434.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/superslow/media/1968%20302%20Camaro/DSC02434.jpg.html)

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Looks home made to me, as does the extra leaf in the spring pack....

[cook_dw]

It sure as sh*t is!! I never noticed it before. Great eye!! I didnt put much thought into it. Just figured someone swapped the leafs from 4 for a 5 but after you saying that I went back looking at my pics and noticed that the clamps have been moved as well. Nice..


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/superslow/1968%20302%20Camaro/DSC02431.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/superslow/media/1968%20302%20Camaro/DSC02431.jpg.html)

[Hemicolt]

Picked up these Ansen bars for Vega/Monza last night. A little orange paint and they will go on the wagon.

[69 Post Sedan]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Hemicolt]

The original paint was under the black primer. The rubber bumpers have &quot;Ansen&quot; molded into them and look like they have never had any use.

[chevyandpontiac]

My freshly painted drag dimension traction bars. Sand blasted them and painted them today. The white paint was under the yellow which was also under the black paint. Plus the snubbers are in good shape just need to clean them up. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/08/full-10756-14483-image.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/08/full-10756-14484-image.jpg

[scuncio]

Nice stuff. I was tempted to buy those!

[AlsV8vair]

Very nice. Good to see another pair of Drag Dimensions Trac bars.
I have been looking to purchase a pair. No luck yet. Or anything Drag Dimension related

[copter]

I have been looking for a set of the old Ansen Ground Grabbers and after losing a couple ebay auctions I decided to make a set with the help of some pics and dimensions I found here on Yenko.net
http://copter98.jalbum.net/piston-stop/slides/ansenbars1.jpg http://copter98.jalbum.net/piston-stop/slides/ansenbars3.jpg http://copter98.jalbum.net/piston-stop/slides/ansenbars2.jpg

[scuncio]

Probably a nicer set than any of the originals! Good work.

[PxTx]

They look nice! Did you need to make a few of the spring pearches?

Can't wait to see them installed. How are you going to finish them?

[copter]

Thanks scuncio, I used your detailed pics for reference to build these.
Thanks pxtx, I have heavy duty reinforced perches from Moser.
I'm thinking of powder coating them chassis black but at this point I'm not 100% sure. Maybe Cadmium?
I test fitted them today and everything looked good.

[169indy]

In the PNW I have been able to find cores at swap meets for around $35.00 &amp; partials for $25 (missing parts). They are a misunderstood brand, as in hard to ID or folks just do not seem to recognize them. Spokane had a set on Epay for $300 that went unsold. Here is a cleaned up pair of 57 chev- first gen Camaro bars before I had them plated.
Anyone with the Foil oval decals out there (Even a clear picture?) I think the Ansen ground grabbers had a few decals over the years.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1OiIyTMspW4/UOOy07m4qdI/AAAAAAAAABg/o7gOOx7_RrM/s128/100_3027.JPG
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4WjVqqyyc64/UOOyyS7ZuaI/AAAAAAAAABQ/OZB6e19whHQ/s128/100_3025.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xi_coN5OA1I/UOOy90USBZI/AAAAAAAAACY/q2LHTskEwiM/s128/100_4447.JPG
I did not use the flat strap &quot;clamping&quot; piece at the front spring eye hold down, I went to a local spring shop &amp; had them bend up some custom &quot;U&quot; bolts.
-vs- as built
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rO4cmwLj8ug/UOOy3H61g4I/AAAAAAAAABw/dPvNpktKo_s/s128/100_3209.JPG

Ads:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-YVROLvxwCk8/UmtJSHIfxII/AAAAAAAAAbA/2dYPa4XPkIU/s128/%24%28KGrHqN%2C%21qMFJE%21u46F5BS%28fYlm7Qg~~60_12 .jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a9Xe7aPR1Ro/UOOy88n5-hI/AAAAAAAAACQ/WGgT9IFYhzU/s128/100_4445.JPG
I made some bogus white stickers until I can source something more accurate.


I bought a set &amp; 1/2 (Monroe Swap meet Seattle 2013Fall) and used paint stripper and found, plaiting, then white, then red, then black,,,,thick user-owner paints, bet they look good in ANY color or finish selected, I prefer, Zinc and yellow dichromate per ASTM B633,Type II, Fe/Zn 12

I have found a local plater (industrial) who will accept (hobbyist - restorers) batches. Very affordable Production Plating in Mukelteo.




Jim

[copter]

If you find the stickers or image let me know. I'm using Harrell clamps I fabbed up for the front top clamp to strengthen the top leaf spring.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/11/full-3458-17897-clamp.jpg

[169indy]

Here is a Pic of:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-z4w5OUqEtSg/U_pgQ6C7XBI/AAAAAAAAAiQ/04PjGDu2vq4/s480/Ground_Grabbers_1.jpg
This Foil one is the one I am VERY interested in and have been search for years.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JX2DhaJ2k5M/UwwD3BsxApI/AAAAAAAAAdo/v-DzYaSQcro/s128/images%5B4%5D.jpg

my pics come out a bit small-Sorry

I like the clamp pc, but I ran into interference with the Ansen clamp.
Jim

[PxTx]

Looks like DD made sime for Mr. GASKET

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/_3-3_zpszvv9gxvp.jpeg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/_3-3_zpszvv9gxvp.jpeg.html)

[copter]

I decided to go with Black. Hopefully install them on Thursday.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/11/full-3458-17977-ansen4.jpg

[chevyandpontiac]

Here is a picture of Ansens (from Scuncio)after sand blasting and painting them orange. I matched the color on the NOS ground grabbers that I have (thanks PXTX). I think these bars look cool in any color you pick! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/11/full-10756-18017-photo.jpg

[copter]

Thats a nice collection of bars you have there chevyandpontiac! I just finished my installation.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/11/full-3458-18040-novaansen1.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/11/full-3458-18041-novaansen2.jpg

[chevyandpontiac]

They look fantastic.

[AlsV8vair]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like DD made sime for Mr. GASKET

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/_3-3_zpszvv9gxvp.jpeg (http://s710.photobucket.com/user/Plowman7/media/_3-3_zpszvv9gxvp.jpeg.html) </div></div>

Wow. First time to see those. When Thrush bought out Drag dimensions. I believe it was for mostly the header line. Not sure what happened to all the other products.

I need to find me a pair of those.

[mockingbird812]

Very cool. Did not know that about DD and Mr Gasket.