NCRS Camaro , Chevelle, Nova 65-72 Document Services

[BillD]

For those interested order number 1138 was mailed today

[olredalert]

----Todd,,,Im fairly certain that NCRS feels that doing something like you propose would be helping a person profit from their information. Weather that's your case or not doesn't really matter to them.......Bill S

[L78racer]

I just got mine in the mail. #1117.
02C LOS '68 Camaro L78. Prod date 2/21/1968.
Dealer code 78. Zone 6. Dealer: C.O.D Garage Co. Minden NV.

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BillD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those interested order number 1138 was mailed today </div></div>

I'm 1198 and they mailed mine today as well.

[enio45]

got notice today 1147 just got shipped!!!! waiting!!

[bt8111]

Received email today from NCRS stating my document was mailed. Request #1357.

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">----Todd,,,Im fairly certain that NCRS feels that doing something like you propose would be helping a person profit from their information. Weather that's your case or not doesn't really matter to them.......Bill S </div></div>

Of course that makes sense Bill. But it doesnt make it easier to swallow knowing the info actually exists to close in on finding my uncles stolen copo and I can't get to it.

[jannes_z-28]

You could try asking them, it is possible with a manual database query for just that case.

[olredalert]

----A person could try asking. No harm in that, but the leadership of NCRS has been known to be unco-operative, some might say notoriously unco-operative when asked to do things like this. It wasn't always this way. Early on, there were no hidden agendas, just a desire to hang around with likeminded Corvette friends and learn a thing or two. Just my opinion but I feel things have changed......Bill S

[67rs/ss]

I have a similar situation and ask the same question but the reply was search by vin only and I can
respect that. But at least now, thanks to Roy, I am closer to finding a particular car than I was 2 months ago.
Tony

[Leonard]

Received my shipping data report today. My order # was 1308. Official production date: 5/8/1969, Original delivery dealer code 93 in zone 9, The name for dealer: Ray Bryant Chevrolet Co. Dayton, Oh. Anyone have info on this dealer?

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">----A person could try asking. No harm in that, but the leadership of NCRS has been known to be unco-operative, some might say notoriously unco-operative when asked to do things like this. It wasn't always this way. Early on, there were no hidden agendas, just a desire to hang around with likeminded Corvette friends and learn a thing or two. Just my opinion but I feel things have changed......Bill S </div></div>

What the hell, I sent them a note and will see what they say. Can't hurt I guess although I'm not optimistic about a positive response.

[427TJ]

Got my report and it verified the owner's manual info. Built on 3/29/67 at LOS and delivered to Alan Gwynn Chevrolet in Glendale, CA. Another piece of paper for the doc folder.

[WILMASBOYL78]

Got an email last nite that my NCRS docs were shipped for one of the Novas...more to follow.

wilma

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got my report and it verified the owner's manual info. Built on 3/29/67 at LOS and delivered to Alan Gwynn Chevrolet in Glendale, CA. Another piece of paper for the doc folder. </div></div>

It's Allen not Alan also dealer still active, good luck if you pursue finding any people or paper from their past!
Also, not cheap but there's a beauty set o' plate frames on eBay right now...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Allen-Gwynn-Chev...s-/231226578429 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Allen-Gwynn-Chevrolet-Glendale-CA-Pair-Of-LICENSE-Plate-FRAME-1960s-/231226578429)

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~ Pete



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Zone # <span style="font-weight: bold">20</span>
Dealer Code #<span style="font-weight: bold"> 191</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Allen Gwynn Chevrolet</span>
1400 South Brand Blvd.
Glendale CA 91204
( Info @ 1966 )

* Dealer still active @ same location
Allen Gwynn Chevrolet
888-803-1155
www.lovemychevy.com (http://www.lovemychevy.com)

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[Nasblu]

Got my shipping report and it says that my car sold dealer code 386 zone 13 then it goes on to say the dealer is Marcy chevrolet in geneva ohio. But I looked up dealer 386 zone 13 says it is rudy haupt in johnstown pa. Rudy haupt is about 30 miles from where I bought the car. Is possible that after rudy haupt closed that the dealer got its old dealer code and zone and they listed the wrong dealer. Or does the records specifically say that the car was shipped to marcy chevy? I am confused as to where the car was originally shipped? Car was produced sept 15 1969 a 1970 model. Any thoughts

[olredalert]

----Pete would probably know, but I believe that a whole bunch (if not all) of the dealer codes got changed at one time quite a while back. That is probably why........Bill S

[TAR6569]

I have 13-386 as Rudy Haupt in 69. Marcy doesn't fit in at all alphabetically. Maybe they were looking at a zone list that wasn't from 69 or had incorrect information.

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jannes_z-28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could try asking them, it is possible with a manual database query for just that case. </div></div>

Well, got an email back from them. It appears they &quot;can't query multiple fields at the same time&quot; in their &quot;database.&quot; That's what I'd need in order to get what I'm looking for. I didn't pursue it any further as I already know how incensed I'll get about the technology side. The search goes on.....

[jannes_z-28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: twertsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jannes_z-28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could try asking them, it is possible with a manual database query for just that case. </div></div>

Well, got an email back from them. It appears they &quot;can't query multiple fields at the same time&quot; in their &quot;database.&quot; That's what I'd need in order to get what I'm looking for. I didn't pursue it any further as I already know how incensed I'll get about the technology side. The search goes on..... </div></div>

Well, the guy who answered doesn't want to or can't do it. I know you can if you want :-)

Jan

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jannes_z-28</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: twertsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jannes_z-28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could try asking them, it is possible with a manual database query for just that case. </div></div>

Well, got an email back from them. It appears they &quot;can't query multiple fields at the same time&quot; in their &quot;database.&quot; That's what I'd need in order to get what I'm looking for. I didn't pursue it any further as I already know how incensed I'll get about the technology side. The search goes on..... </div></div>

Well, the guy who answered doesn't want to or can't do it. I know you can if you want :-)

Jan </div></div>

Jan? Not sure I fully comprehended that?

[Mr Yenko]

Got an email yesterday saying they are refunding my money cause they cant find anything in there database.. bummer

[jannes_z-28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: twertsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jannes_z-28</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: twertsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jannes_z-28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could try asking them, it is possible with a manual database query for just that case. </div></div>

Well, got an email back from them. It appears they &quot;can't query multiple fields at the same time&quot; in their &quot;database.&quot; That's what I'd need in order to get what I'm looking for. I didn't pursue it any further as I already know how incensed I'll get about the technology side. The search goes on..... </div></div>

Well, the guy who answered doesn't want to or can't do it. I know you can if you want :-)

Jan </div></div>

Jan? Not sure I fully comprehended that? </div></div>

The answer you got tells me that the guy who answered has a user interface that only let you enter a VIN and when you press the OK-button you get the record for that VIN. It present what it found in the database.

When you setup a database you have tools that let you send queries to the database and you can set up a specific query that you will use in the user interface.

So in your case you would have to use that database tool to ask the query that would present the data you want from the records, i.e. all the VIN's from dealer XX.

There is no problem to get the data you want if you have that tool. So my conclusion is that the guy who gave you the answer only knows how to enter the VIN and press the OK-button or he knows how to ask the query with the tool but doesn't want to.

Jan

[twertsy]

Aha.......that's what I meant when I said &quot;I'd get incensed about the technology side.&quot; Having done a ton of IT consulting, I know full well it'd be simple to get that info, assuming you have direct access to the database. My &quot;guess&quot; is that the NCRS folks do NOT have direct access. I'd wager that they have been given an interface page allowing them to enter a VIN, and that's it. I can think of scores of valuable queries I could make into that database that would benefit the hobby immensely!

Oh well, baby steps I guess.

[TAR6569]

If the vin is hard to read on the microfilm, I wonder if it would then be found when typed into the computer?

[jannes_z-28]

I'm not sure how this record is constructed but my impression from earlier posts on this registry is that they have read the microfilm and entered the data in the the computerized database. I really doubt they they go to the microfilm for each request.

Jan

[TAR6569]

That would be a lot of data to enter!

[wheelhop]

I got my shipping data report back in a little over 2 weeks.

Turns out my post car was built on 6-19-69 (same day a Kurt Burdick's post car).

Original delivery dealer code was 342 in zone 3.

Dealer is believed to be Harris Chevrolet - Olds, Inc. based in
Hannibal, MO.

Anyone have any information, dealer tag, memorabilia on this dealer?

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got my shipping data report back in a little over 2 weeks.

Turns out my post car was built on 6-19-69 (same day a Kurt Burdick's post car).

Original delivery dealer code was 342 in zone 3.

Dealer is believed to be Harris Chevrolet - Olds, Inc. based in
Hannibal, MO.

Anyone have any information, dealer tag, memorabilia on this dealer? </div></div>

Which plant was it made at?

Ryan

[wheelhop]

Kansas

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

Cool piece of information:-)

Ryan

[enio45]

One of my 69Z's NCRS doc came back with <span style="font-weight: bold">Bill Heard Chevrolet </span>- Columbus GA.

Anyone have info on this dealer - besides it has closed a few yrs back?

Im interested in what their period correct plate frames or decals look like and to purchase a few items.

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: enio45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of my 69Z's NCRS doc came back with <span style="font-weight: bold">Bill Heard Chevrolet </span>- Columbus GA.

Anyone have info on this dealer - besides it has closed a few yrs back?

Im interested in what their period correct plate frames or decals look like and to purchase a few items.

</div></div>

Pasted &quot;Bill Heard Chevrolet&quot; into ebay search. Several dealer emblems, and other stuff comes up.

[Tracker1]

I got the Dealer # and Zone info for my '69 Camaro ( Zone 19, dealer 361) but they couldn't tell me who that dealer is/was.
It is Oregon (Zone 19) and it is a dealer between C-O in the alphabet but that's all I can muster so far (thanks Peteleathersac). Who do I contact to get NCRS to do a re-check as I believe they may have made a typo. According to PeteL, Zone 19, dealer 362 was chuck olsen chev, just one number off. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[enio45]

Todd - thanks - will do

[PeteLeathersac]

Either Oregon or Seattle WA Des also again the C-O names are just a start, not for sure.

Tough to criticize the NCRS for the service especially considering changes they've been going through but I meant to note yesterday that Wheelhop above should confirm or maybe recheck his info too as even the NCRS site lists Zone #03 Dealer #342 as Hauck Chevy Waynesville MO?

Also, lots of past Bill Heard threads here as the Columbus operation delivered an HO Deuce also other cool cars!
Here's a link to one thread, note attachment by Marlin of the Bill heard emblem.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=189883
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~ Pete

[Newman]

Got the paperwork on my Nova, built November 25,1968

Dealer was Arrow Chev Inc. Los Angeles, California.

Does anybody have any information about this dealer? I believe they're out of business now.

[mbxlesney]

I recieved my order for a 1970 Nova and was so happy with the quick turnaround and verification keeping in mind that I ordered mine 1 or 2 days after the original guy left but I only waited about 3 weeks with the 2nd person who took over with the new signature. I called a friend in AZ. and he was so enthused that he ordered 3 and they were all shot back with no info. (2) 1968s and (1) 1972 Novas. Has there been a large void in getting the 1968 Nova info from other members? Thanks in advance.

[WILMASBOYL78]

Got my package today for our 70 TH400 L78 car...I thought this car would have a dealer near Buffalo, NY [that's where I found it}...turns out it was delivered to Krise Motor Co, Canton PA....dealer code #380....zone 12...1/21/70...date matches build sheet.

Anyone ever heard of this dealer?? they are west of Scranton 30 miles south of the NYS border...small town of 1800 according to the web. I have spoken to the local hometown newspaper and the owner is going to help me in my search. According to him the dealer has been gone for over 30 years, but there are still family members in town...the original dealership is now a parts store.

The search begins...wilma

[twertsy]

I grew up 10 miles from there...very small town, excellent wrestling.

[WILMASBOYL78]

Do you remember that dealer???

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I'm jealous of you guys that got dealer names with your codes! I have 2 responses from NCRS with zone and dealer numbers, but no names - dissappointing.....

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you remember that dealer??? </div></div>

I remember driving past it as a kid but nothing more than that. Do still know a ton of people up there so I'll do what I can if you get stuck. Wasn't it owned by the Route family?

[WILMASBOYL78]

Todd...I don't know the family name...thought it was &quot;Krise&quot;...

if you any contacts that help the search I would appreciate anything they can offer.

tom

[twertsy]

Ok, My whole fam is still up there so I'll ask them to sniff around.

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm jealous of you guys that got dealer names with your codes! I have 2 responses from NCRS with zone and dealer numbers, but no names - dissappointing..... </div></div>

May lead nowhere but what are the codes Marl?
And sorry if you posted them previously, I must've missed 'em?
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~ Pete

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

49-497 and 61-657

I know that zone 49 is in the south central PA region, and zone 61 is in the northern IL region. I knew that already since Benjamin's Nova was titled in Harrisburg PA with a bank in '70, and Danny's Camaro has registration stickers on the windshield from Rockford, IL. Just wish I knew the dealer names....

[juliosz]

Got mine the other day, My 69 L78 Nova built on July 30, 1969 delivered from Scherger Chevrolet, Huntington IN, dealer 328, zone 45.

[RPOLS3]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">49-497 and 61-657

I know that zone 49 is in the south central PA region, and zone 61 is in the northern IL region. I knew that already since Benjamin's Nova was titled in Harrisburg PA with a bank in '70, and Danny's Camaro has registration stickers on the windshield from Rockford, IL. Just wish I knew the dealer names.... </div></div>

Marlin-

I think Bachrodt was around back then (they may have bought out Bocker)- they're the only Chevy dealer in Rockford, they are still around. Wolf Chevrolet was in Belvidere (closed when GM went bankrupt), next town east, and Bocker is in Freeport - next town to the west.

I'm in Rockford so if you need any detective work done - I'm happy to help.

Jake

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Thanks! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[WILMASBOYL78]

Here is a picture of the 70 L78 TH400 delivered to Krise Motor Co....from the Nova Times magazine.

**sorry, can't get it to fit the other way

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[bigsixman]

I just received my NCRS shipping docs and does anyone know what dealer is code 562 in zone 33 translates to? I hope Pete or someone can help me out because that is all I received with my report.

Thanks in advance.

[69 Post Sedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wheelhop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got my shipping data report back in a little over 2 weeks.

Turns out my post car was built on 6-19-69 (same day a Kurt Burdick's post car).

Original delivery dealer code was 342 in zone 3.

Dealer is believed to be Harris Chevrolet - Olds, Inc. based in
Hannibal, MO.

Anyone have any information, dealer tag, memorabilia on this dealer? </div></div>

This is a perfect example of the records that SS69Chevelle (Andy) has kept. He has an ongoing spreadsheet with many 1969 trim tags.

No one really knew what the five numbers meant after the month and week on the trim tags. His due diligence has paid off as it appears this system his pretty much spot on.....at least for 1969 cars.

wheelhop (Jim Hanke's) trim tag is 06C 01353 (153rd car on a Wednesday) and mine is 06C 03733 (373rd car on a Wednesday). Both are documented as being delivered Thursday, June 19,1969, the exact same day.

Which leads us to believe that they both were built on Wednesday the 18th then sent for delivery on the Thursday 19th.

Below is a picture of mine Jim's trim tag.

And again, thanks to NCRS for helping us document our cars.

Kurt

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[Bill Pritchard]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Both are documented as being delivered Thursday, June 19,1969 </div></div>

My 18th birthday! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

I have not ordered a NCRS report for my car, but have this to offer in regards to this very interesting information. I have 2 Body Broadcast sheets for my car, which show the production date as 1/9/69.....that was a Thursday. My Trim Tag number right after the '01B' date is 03293. If your theory is correct, Kurt, that would indicate the 329th car built on Wednesday. Not sure if this throws a monkey wrench into things or not. Perhaps the body was built in the Fisher Body section of the plant on Wednesday, and it went down the final assembly line on Thursday? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[69 Post Sedan]

Very cool Bill.

Yes, that does mix the theory up a little but I would like to see what the NCRS report says.

Kurt

[WILMASBOYL78]

Well...here is a new twist to the NCRS program <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif

Turns out the report I got for the 1970 Nova lists the correct dealer code and zone...but, the wrong dealer name <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif I just learned about this with some help from a fellow SYC member. The original dealer was...

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Zone Dealer Number Dealer Name Address City State Zipcode Source Year Active Notes
Change Dealer Details 12 380 LAKS CHEVROLET CORP. Unknown BLASDELL New York 14219 1978 Unknown Info Provided by AAA Window Stickers- Bill Petriko </span>

So, I looked them up online and Laks is still in business, but not with Chevy. I spoke to their Honda store and left a message for Mr. Laks. The receptionist I spoke with [20 years there] said they haven't had Chevy for at least that long...I also plan to send Mr. Laks a letter regarding this...we will see what happens.

Now, who do I contact at NCRS to get the documents revised with the correct info?? and has anyone else has a similar experience?? Laks is in Buffalo, I bought he car from the Buffalo area..the trunk has stickers from a local speed shop in that area...this all adds up.

wilma

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well...here is a new twist to the NCRS program <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif

Turns out the report I got for the 1970 Nova lists the correct dealer code and zone...but, the wrong dealer name <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif I just learned about this with some help from a fellow SYC member. The original dealer was...

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Zone Dealer Number Dealer Name Address City State Zipcode Source Year Active Notes
Change Dealer Details 12 380 LAKS CHEVROLET CORP. Unknown BLASDELL New York 14219 1978 Unknown Info Provided by AAA Window Stickers- Bill Petriko </span>

So, I looked them up online and Laks is still in business, but not with Chevy. I spoke to their Honda store and left a message for Mr. Laks. The receptionist I spoke with [20 years there] said they haven't had Chevy for at least that long...I also plan to send Mr. Laks a letter regarding this...we will see what happens.

Now, who do I contact at NCRS to get the documents revised with the correct info?? and has anyone else has a similar experience?? Laks is in Buffalo, I bought he car from the Buffalo area..the trunk has stickers from a local speed shop in that area...this all adds up.

wilma
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I had the same issue on my report. It stated the orig dealer Max Meyers Motors in IN, when it was McManus Chevrolet in Ill. At the time I contacted Roy and he corrected his records and sent me an updated shipping assembly records document. I emailed him a copy of a window sticker with the identical zone and dealer # in that time period with the dealer as McManus.

Ironically, the original owner of my black 69 RS/Z lived at 4232 South Park in Blasdell, but purchased the car at Dave Hallman Chev, in Hamburg, NY.

[WILMASBOYL78]

I sent NCRS an email explaining the problem...more to follow.

wilma <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

[roeville]

I'm currently waiting for a reply from NCRS about correcting a typo. Originally I emailed Roy and he confirmed it was a simple typo. My 1971 Camaro was listed with a 1970 production date. 10 days later I had to submit a ticket on their (chevymuscledocs) website. Someone promptly responded and confirmed it was a typo and that a corrected letter would be mailed out in a couple of weeks. It's been a month now and no letter. They have not responded to my follow up via the help desk. Mike

[WILMASBOYL78]

Service after the sale is the most important part of any transaction...hopefully they will get on board and make things right.

wilma

[Astock]

Can't imagine that happening if Roy was still at the wheel.

[Alss]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well...here is a new twist to the NCRS program <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif

Turns out the report I got for the 1970 Nova lists the correct dealer code and zone...but, the wrong dealer name <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif I just learned about this with some help from a fellow SYC member. The original dealer was...

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Zone Dealer Number Dealer Name Address City State Zipcode Source Year Active Notes
Change Dealer Details 12 380 LAKS CHEVROLET CORP. Unknown BLASDELL New York 14219 1978 Unknown Info Provided by AAA Window Stickers- Bill Petriko </span>

So, I looked them up online and Laks is still in business, but not with Chevy. I spoke to their Honda store and left a message for Mr. Laks. The receptionist I spoke with [20 years there] said they haven't had Chevy for at least that long...I also plan to send Mr. Laks a letter regarding this...we will see what happens.

Now, who do I contact at NCRS to get the documents revised with the correct info?? and has anyone else has a similar experience?? Laks is in Buffalo, I bought he car from the Buffalo area..the trunk has stickers from a local speed shop in that area...this all adds up.

wilma
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My COPO had its motor replaced under warranty at Laks!

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[twertsy]

Well Tom, at one point this morning I thought we had it. Then the trail took a turn! Good luck getting your shipper fixed.

[wisemanz28]

Been having trouble finding out some info from my NCRS report. My dealer code is 22 and my zone is 45. Has anyone heard of this code and zone number?

[wheelhop]

Wheelhop above should confirm or maybe recheck his info too as even the NCRS site lists Zone #03 Dealer #342 as Hauck Chevy Waynesville MO?

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete
[/quote]

I sent a question to the NCRS website and they replied saying that they had two listings for dealer information: One was prior to 1970, and the other after 1970. The older listing does not have information on dealer 342/zone 3, so with a &quot;later&quot;
'69 built car I was provided the dealer information from the newer listing which has 342 assigned to Harris.

[Zach Carter]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well...here is a new twist to the NCRS program <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif

Turns out the report I got for the 1970 Nova lists the correct dealer code and zone...but, the wrong dealer name <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif I just learned about this with some help from a fellow SYC member. The original dealer was...

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Zone Dealer Number Dealer Name Address City State Zipcode Source Year Active Notes
Change Dealer Details 12 380 LAKS CHEVROLET CORP. Unknown BLASDELL New York 14219 1978 Unknown Info Provided by AAA Window Stickers- Bill Petriko </span>

So, I looked them up online and Laks is still in business, but not with Chevy. I spoke to their Honda store and left a message for Mr. Laks. The receptionist I spoke with [20 years there] said they haven't had Chevy for at least that long...I also plan to send Mr. Laks a letter regarding this...we will see what happens.

Now, who do I contact at NCRS to get the documents revised with the correct info?? and has anyone else has a similar experience?? Laks is in Buffalo, I bought he car from the Buffalo area..the trunk has stickers from a local speed shop in that area...this all adds up.

wilma
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My 1969 L72 M22 Biscayne came from Laks according to the NICB I got on it years ago. Looks like they had some real muscle roll through that place. Has anyone found any plate frames or advertising from them?

[WILMASBOYL78]

Here is the reply I got...and my response.


Date: 2014-07-15 16:41:40
Name: John Waggoner
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The Dealercode Database is made of up submissions by many people both Corvette owners and owners of other Chevrolet makes. There is no verification of the data in the Dealercode Database other than from time to time someone notifies us and supplies evidence that there is an error. We will correct those errors.

The shipping report that was sent to you included information from GM as to the dealer the car was shipped to. This is where the trucking company delivered the car.

From time to time dealers did trade cars to satisfy a customers wants. In this instance the car may have been sold by a different dealer than it was shipped to. The Shipping Data Report is still accurate because it identifies the dealer the car was shipped to.

Sincerely,

John Waggoner
Chevy Muscle Docs
http://www.chevymuscledocs.com

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Date: 2014-07-16 03:55:02
Name: tom williams
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Thanks for the reply...but, your records are not correct...the info I sent on the dealer number and zone were from your database...if you look at it you will see what I'm talking about. I understand that dealers swapped and sold cars...but, from my research Krise Motor Co. wasn't even in business in 1970...thus making it impossible for them to have been the dealer.

Please review this again...and send a corrected report.

Tom Williams


<span style="font-weight: bold">I don't think they are really looking at this...just a generic reply.

wilma <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif </span>

[twertsy]

Good grief! You have a guy that practically lived at Krise telling you it was sold/closed in 1960. What more do they want?

[PeteLeathersac]

A few bumps w/ the NCRS service but let's all try to be thankful for what we do get it'd be a shame if the service was discontinued because of too much flak and/or negative responses?
Not all info is available to satisfy every circumstance so best use the results to seek out the rest of the story by connecting w/ others who have cars shipped to the same dealer codes etc?
As for matching the codes w/ the actual dealers, much info out there is indeed conflicting including what NCRS has on file but getting the zone and dealer code is key then a fella can track the dealer or confirm those indicated on the NCRS reports.

We've had a few Laks Chevrolet threads here in the past so try the search box, click below to one of them that includes a link to a Laks Chevy newspaper ad near the end of page two.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/458080/1

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~ Pete

[bigsixman]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsixman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just received my NCRS shipping docs and does anyone know what dealer is code 562 in zone 33 translates to? I hope Pete or someone can help me out because that is all I received with my report.

Thanks in advance. </div></div>

Anybody have any help on this dealer that was not on my NCRS report?

[Mr70]

Zone 33 was Minnesota/North/South Dakota area.
Closest dealers I see to yours so far were:
Dealer 537 Muscatell Chevrolet Inc in Fargo ND.
Dealer 615 PENROSE CHEVROLET CO. in Parkers Prarie Mn.

[WILMASBOYL78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A few bumps w/ the NCRS service but let's all try to be thankful for what we do get it'd be a shame if the service was discontinued because of too much flak and/or negative responses?
Not all info is available to satisfy every circumstance so best use the results to seek out the rest of the story by connecting w/ others who have cars shipped to the same dealer codes etc?
As for matching the codes w/ the actual dealers, much info out there is indeed conflicting including what NCRS has on file but getting the zone and dealer code is key then a fella can track the dealer or confirm those indicated on the NCRS reports.

We've had a few Laks Chevrolet threads here in the past so try the search box, click below to one of them that includes a link to a Laks Chevy newspaper ad near the end of page two.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/458080/1

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~ Pete

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I fully understand that some info is better than none...but, don't forget people are &quot;paying for this&quot;, and therefore have a right to reasonable efforts to fix a problem. If you go to there database search form and type in Krise Motor Co. in PA, nothing comes up...if you just run the list of PA dealers...same thing...so where did they get the name to begin with????

It is obviously an error...I just want them to acknowledge it and correct it...that isn't asking too much.

[Mr70]

When I enter KRISE on the NCRS site,it says see Tom Williams.

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I enter KRISE on the NCRS site,it says see Tom Williams. </div></div>

Strange enough, Google shows the owner Charles Krise was from where else but Williamsport!
Born Sept. 11'th, Krise was a Navy man and later Mayor of Canton also a Silver Beaver award winner too!
All true, click below for more...
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&amp;db=rbond007&amp;id=I28476
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As for the NCRS reports, I'm sure they'll do their best to provide correct info also redo reports when requested.
No doubt they need help w/ their dealer code database but the service should result in a lot more dealer info coming together from original sales orders and build sheets to match codes with also old dealer lists may surface etc so although it may get worse for a while, it should be a whole lot better in the end!
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~ Pete

[TAR6569]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zach Carter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=WILMASBOYL78]Well...here is a new twist to the NCRS program <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif

My 1969 L72 M22 Biscayne came from Laks according to the NICB I got on it years ago. Looks like they had some real muscle roll through that place. Has anyone found any plate frames or advertising from them? </div></div>

Zach, where was your Biscayne built? Flint or Tarrytown?


In regards to the dealer code database, if they are using the one on their website where people submit entries, there is a lot of errors and incomplete information on that page. That's why I started making my own list.

[WILMASBOYL78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I enter KRISE on the NCRS site,it says see Tom Williams. </div></div>

Do I get paid for that <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roeville</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I'm currently waiting for a reply from NCRS about correcting a typo. Originally I emailed Roy and he confirmed it was a simple typo. My 1971 Camaro was listed with a 1970 production date. 10 days later I had to submit a ticket on their (chevymuscledocs) website. Someone promptly responded and confirmed it was a typo and that a corrected letter would be mailed out in a couple of weeks. It's been a month now and no letter. They have not responded to my follow up via the help desk. Mike </div></div>

Same thing happens with Porsche Certificates of Authenticity. One little typo and you send it back for a corrected copy.

[njsteve]

I have been noticing a lot of people running across dealer code discrepancies Remember that the codes were recycled. Here's an example where a dealer went from Chevy to Olds to Pontiac under the very same code in two different states. So depending upon what year code list you are using, you will get different results:

Dealer Make: CHEV
Dealer Code: 13435
Dealer: DAVE MYERS CHEVROLET, INC.
Dealer Address: BOX 217
NORTH JACKSON, OH 444510217
Set Up Date: 00/00/00



Dealer Make: OLDS
Dealer Code: 13435
Dealer: DON KINCAID MOTORS, INC.
Dealer Address: 5239 S. 4TH ST. TRAFFICWAY
LEAVENWORTH, KS 66048
Dealer Phone: 9137272277
Set Up Date: 11/20/89



Dealer Make: PONT
Dealer Code: 13435
Dealer: DALE SHARP, INC.
Dealer Address: 1900 TOPEKA AVENUE
TOPEKA, KS 66612
Dealer Phone: 9132331361
Set Up Date: 00/00/00

[WILMASBOYL78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alss</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well...here is a new twist to the NCRS program <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif

Turns out the report I got for the 1970 Nova lists the correct dealer code and zone...but, the wrong dealer name <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif I just learned about this with some help from a fellow SYC member. The original dealer was...

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Zone Dealer Number Dealer Name Address City State Zipcode Source Year Active Notes
Change Dealer Details 12 380 LAKS CHEVROLET CORP. Unknown BLASDELL New York 14219 1978 Unknown Info Provided by AAA Window Stickers- Bill Petriko </span>

So, I looked them up online and Laks is still in business, but not with Chevy. I spoke to their Honda store and left a message for Mr. Laks. The receptionist I spoke with [20 years there] said they haven't had Chevy for at least that long...I also plan to send Mr. Laks a letter regarding this...we will see what happens.

Now, who do I contact at NCRS to get the documents revised with the correct info?? and has anyone else has a similar experience?? Laks is in Buffalo, I bought he car from the Buffalo area..the trunk has stickers from a local speed shop in that area...this all adds up.

wilma
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My COPO had its motor replaced under warranty at Laks!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/07/full-526-13842-imgp2544.jpg
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Well...I got a call today from Ray Laks...very nice guy! he told me that his brother and father opened the Chevy store in 1968 and it was closed down in 1984...no records were kept as far as he knows. He did confirm they were a &quot;performance oriented&quot; dealership and sold lots of hi-po cars. I am continuing the research and hope to connect back with guy I bought it from.

wilma

[WILMASBOYL78]

I got a call yesterday from the Don Laks [the other brother]..we had a nice chat. He is going to try and connect me with some of the former sales staff from way back when.

The search continues..wilma

[COPO]

Anyone know Dealer Code 746 Zone 17?

[WILMASBOYL78]

Zone Dealer Number Dealer Name Address City State Zipcode Source Year Active Notes
Change Dealer Details 17 746 WHIT CHEVROLET INC 2403 NORTH COLLEGE FAYETTEVILLE Arkansas 72701 1970 Unknown Info Provided by AAA Window Stickers- Bill Petriko

from the ncrs database...

[COPO]

Thanks for the quick reply. I knew it should be Whit as that is what dealer is listed on the POP for my COPO, but the NCRS letter that I received only showed the zone and dealer codes, so wanted to be sure they matched. I think this dealer sold one of the ZL-1's as well.

[roeville]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roeville</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I'm currently waiting for a reply from NCRS about correcting a typo. Originally I emailed Roy and he confirmed it was a simple typo. My 1971 Camaro was listed with a 1970 production date. 10 days later I had to submit a ticket on their (chevymuscledocs) website. Someone promptly responded and confirmed it was a typo and that a corrected letter would be mailed out in a couple of weeks. It's been a month now and no letter. They have not responded to my follow up via the help desk. Mike </div></div>

Received my corrected letter today, all is good. Once I was actually able to bring this to their attention they responded promptly. -Mike

[PhilS]

Received my letters today for my L78 rags. Confirmed my existing docs for my '68, Polk Baton Rouge LA, '69, Parker-Robb Walnut Creek CA and Steakley Dallas TX for my '67 Plum car with no other paper docs. Good info to start my search for history before '95.

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1970ChevelleSS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone heard of Hudiburg Chevrolet?
Code 428 zone 23.
Midwest City OK
That is where my chevelle is from.
Thanks
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Hudiburg Chev' Midwest City OK Matchbook on eBay...
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1980Hudiburg-Chev...=item5661b79881 (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1980Hudiburg-Chevrolet-Automobile-Dealer-Matchbook-Cover-Midwest-City-OK-mb3148-/371006609537?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item5661b7 9881)

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[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: supercomp 8.90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">just received the paperwork today thanks roy and ncrs for the great service! ,does anyone have any info on yd keyser inc Lansdale, pa. ?? </div></div>

TD Keyser Chev' Lansdale Matchbook on eBay...
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1960s-Matchbook-C...=item20d78876b0 (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1960s-Matchbook-Chevrolet-Keyser-Corvette-Corvair-Trucks-Lansdale-PA-Montgomery-/141054998192?pt=Postcards_US&amp;hash=item20d78876b0)

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~ Pete

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/08/full-2506-14853-keyserchevlansdale.jpg

[Vern B]

I ordered docs for my Camaro and Nova, but was wondering what the process is to order 1966 Corvette docs? The information is probably buried in the pages of this thread, but was hoping someone could help with the process without having to spending an hour reading it all.

Thanks.

[Charley Lillard]

https://www.ncrs.org/services/historic-document-service.php

[Vern B]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">https://www.ncrs.org/services/historic-document-service.php </div></div>

Thanks Charley.

[Steve Shauger]

I had known my black rs/z dealer and delivery date based on the POP documentation and original owner information. I have now confirmed it with the NCRS-GM shipping data report I received today. My car was delivered to Dave Hallman Chev, Hamburg, NY and built on Friday 3/14/69. The orig owner Paul Murphy picked the car up on 3/21/69 which was also a Friday.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had known my black rs/z dealer and delivery date based on the POP documentation and original owner information. I have now confirmed it with the NCRS-GM shipping data report I received today. My car was delivered to Dave Hallman Chev, Hamburg, NY and built on Friday 3/14/69. The orig owner Paul Murphy picked the car up on 3/21/69 which was also a Friday. </div></div>

So cool to get yet another piece of history on your car. No matter what you already have it is still fun to get more:-)

Ryan

[Lynn]

Very cool

Especially with all the bogus POP's out there. Now you have confirmation re: the selling dealer.

Unfortunately for me, there are apparently no records existing anywhere regarding dealer 833 in Zone 23 (Oklahoma).

I am guessing it was a small town dealer. If anyone runs across old documentation of dealer codes from 1969, I would love to hear from you. It is good to know that the car started out in Oklahoma. Many times, the tax commission can run the vin and get a complete owner history. I have found records for other cars going back to the 50s and 60s. But.... I already tried, and they have no old records of my car. When the tax commission change over computer systems in the late 70's they LOST information on some vehicles. Mine is one of those. They don't even have a record of my brother's ownership.

[JBALL]

Hi Steve,

How did you go about tracking down the original owner?

I have my NCRS doc for my car but I'm not sure how to track previous owners? I have the two of the previous owners and the trail went cold. Any tips?

Thanks,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had known my black rs/z dealer and delivery date based on the POP documentation and original owner information. I have now confirmed it with the NCRS-GM shipping data report I received today. My car was delivered to Dave Hallman Chev, Hamburg, NY and built on Friday 3/14/69. The orig owner Paul Murphy picked the car up on 3/21/69 which was also a Friday. </div></div>

So cool to get yet another piece of history on your car. No matter what you already have it is still fun to get more:-)

Ryan</div></div>

[neresto]

Anybody out there lucky enough to track down a dealer invoice or any other docs as a result of the NCRS info yet? I thought for sure that we would have a few by now.

[bt8111]

Yes, I posted the other day a brief story of my find!!!
It's posted in the 'Day 2' section, 'Cars with Cragars'
Story is in regards to the 'King Rat'

Bill

[Steve Shauger]

I had the original Protecto-plate with dealer stamp and original owners name, address and delivery date. In addition I purchased from the car from the second owner who happened to be best friends with original owner In fact the second owner was the new car prep technician at the dealership and prepped this car for Paul. Years ago I also got in touch with Paul but unfortunately he has since passed away.

I'm searching for the original owner of my first car (Orange RS/Z) which I purchased from the original owner in 1977. Unfortunately I can't recall the original owners last name or address but know the town. I've contacted local car clubs and car guys in that area but no luck to date.

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very cool

Especially with all the bogus POP's out there. Now you have confirmation re: the selling dealer.

Unfortunately for me, there are apparently no records existing anywhere regarding dealer 833 in Zone 23 (Oklahoma).

I am guessing it was a small town dealer. If anyone runs across old documentation of dealer codes from 1969, I would love to hear from you. It is good to know that the car started out in Oklahoma. Many times, the tax commission can run the vin and get a complete owner history. I have found records for other cars going back to the 50s and 60s. But.... I already tried, and they have no old records of my car. When the tax commission change over computer systems in the late 70's they LOST information on some vehicles. Mine is one of those. They don't even have a record of my brother's ownership. </div></div>

Not sure how much this will help but 832 was Scott's Chev in Ok City. The numbers seem to be assigned &quot;generally&quot; alphabetically within the zone so given that and the fact that #836 &quot;Service Chevrolet&quot; I'd bet your dealer starts with SC....maybe SCR just to give you hope. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[JBALL]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had the original Protecto-plate with dealer stamp and original owners name, address and delivery date. In addition I purchased from the car from the second owner who happened to be best friends with original owner In fact the second owner was the new car prep technician at the dealership and prepped this car for Paul. Years ago I also got in touch with Paul but unfortunately he has since passed away.

I'm searching for the original owner of my first car (Orange RS/Z) which I purchased from the original owner in 1977. Unfortunately I can't recall the original owners last name or address but know the town. I've contacted local car clubs and car guys in that area but no luck to date. </div></div>

Thanks. Never thought about the car club route. It's worth a try!

[wrench]

Lynn have you thought about Seltzer Chevrolet in Yukon? They ordered and sold a ZL1.

[Lynn]

I will check with NCRS, but pretty sure Seltzer is accounted for.
Another member has contacted me about dealer 835 in Tulsa.
How sure are we that numbers were assigned alphabetically?
I worked down the street from Seltzer in the summer of 71. That is where my first Z/28 started life.
It had the POP in the glove box when I bought it. Pitched it in the trash, as it was no good to me. Car had been stolen and recovered. I bought it from a salvage pool, so no warranty.

I knew of the car in high school. Belonged to a guy we called Cye Wheeler. Name on the pop was Cyrus Wheeler.
Beast of a car with off road 140 cam and cross ram set up on it when Cyrus had it.

[Lynn]

No info on Seltzer. They show Alan Merrell Chevrolet in Yukon, dealer number 594. Alan Merrell bought out Seltzer in the 70's. When a dealership changed hands, did the dealer number change?

Craig Ayers Chevrolet became Woody Ayers Chevrolet, and the dealer code remained the same.

[Lynn]

I am betting it is Scott Chevrolet, which was in Downtown OKC. Richard T. Scott (R. T. Scott in some documents) and a fellow named McDonald started the business after WWI. It was originally McDonald-Scott Chevrolet. Scott bought out McDonald early on (50's). Scott died in 1975. I found the guy who bought the dealership. He is still alive and living in the same city as me.
Will be making some calls tomorrow.

Scott Chevrolet is on the ncrs list as &quot;unknown&quot; code number, but it is in zone 23. It is definitely a different dealer than Scott's Chevrolet Inc. which is dealer #832.

[Lynn]

Not so fast. Changing my bet.
827 is Steve Burke Chevrolet, which bought out the old Scott Chevrolet. The guy that bought and ran it when Mr. Scott died continued to use the Scott name.

Makes sense that the dealer number stayed the same.

Will still check it out.

[twertsy]

Lynn,
My research shows that, for the most part, the numbers were given out alphabetically. However, it looks like if a dealer left the pool, the next to apply would just be given that vacant number. So the alphabetical thing has its anomalies but for the most part holds true. I have a list of hundreds of Okie dealers and I would think Seltzer was 835 given how they fall out alphabetically. Issue is that I show Seltzer receiving it's business license in '71. Sounds like you know it existed prior to that? Here's another oddity, I show no less than 6 &quot;Service Chevrolet&quot; records active with business licenses in OK at that time.

[bergy]

Question for you west coast folks - does the NCRS shipping report for Dana Chevrolet ever come back as &quot;Credit Motors&quot; with an address across the street from the new car dealership?

[Lynn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: twertsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lynn,
My research shows that, for the most part, the numbers were given out alphabetically. However, it looks like if a dealer left the pool, the next to apply would just be given that vacant number. So the alphabetical thing has its anomalies but for the most part holds true. I have a list of hundreds of Okie dealers and I would think Seltzer was 835 given how they fall out alphabetically. Issue is that I show Seltzer receiving it's business license in '71. Sounds like you know it existed prior to that? Here's another oddity, I show no less than 6 &quot;Service Chevrolet&quot; records active with business licenses in OK at that time. </div></div>

Seltzer ordered and sold ZL 1 #61 (VIN 642927) in 1969.
I think you are correct on 835. I have a lead on some docs for a car purchased new at 835, but haven't seen the docs yet. Don't even know if the docs will reveal the dealer. Should know in a couple of weeks.

[Lynn]

Todd:

Can you post the info you have on the OK dealerships?
How many in zone 23?

This is what ncrs has:

http://www.ncrs.org/services/dealer-code-data.php

[twertsy]

I get most of my data from the state business licensing websites. If you search &quot;Chevrolet&quot; in OK, you get this list (https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInquiryFind.aspx?Name=chevrolet). If you click on the record ID, it will tell you when the license was granted. It is a LOT of data. Unfortunately, you can't get a query that shows the dates on the main page (results of the prior link) so you have to click on every one individually. It doesn't provide zone/dealer# either. I put it all in a spreadsheet and sorted by date licensed/alphabetically to make assumptions on what &quot;could&quot; be the dealer number based on known ones from NCRS and the chevelle site. You can create your own search (like Seltzer) here. (https://www.sos.ok.gov/business/corp/records.aspx) I suppose if one wanted to pay the nominal fee, you could retrieve a more comprehensive list from the state. Hope that helps!

[69hurstSC]

W/O going through all 62 pages, does this cover the El Camino?

[Lynn]

Todd:

I use the Sec. of State website regularly for other purposes.

I think what you are seeing here: https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=1900242926

is the beginning of Alan Merrell purchasing the business from Seltzer. Merrell took over the business in 72, used a start up corp with the name (Seltzer) in it, with permission from the previous owner(s), and operated for a short period of time as Seltzer Chevrolet before changing the name to Alan Merrell Chevrolet. So, the info is a bit misleading.

I have no idea how the business was titled before then. Could have been a sole proprietorship or a partnership, but no records with the S.O.S.

The SOS doesn't license every business in Oklahoma. If you type in my name, you will see Lynn J. Bilodeau PLLC starting operation on May 15, 2009. I operated my own law office for 13 years as a sole proprietorship prior to May 2009, but nothing was registered with the sos until I formed my professional llc.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: twertsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I get most of my data from the state business licensing websites. If you search &quot;Chevrolet&quot; in OK, you get this list (https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInquiryFind.aspx?Name=chevrolet). If you click on the record ID, it will tell you when the license was granted. It is a LOT of data. Unfortunately, you can't get a query that shows the dates on the main page (results of the prior link) so you have to click on every one individually. It doesn't provide zone/dealer# either. I put it all in a spreadsheet and sorted by date licensed/alphabetically to make assumptions on what &quot;could&quot; be the dealer number based on known ones from NCRS and the chevelle site. You can create your own search (like Seltzer) here. (https://www.sos.ok.gov/business/corp/records.aspx) I suppose if one wanted to pay the nominal fee, you could retrieve a more comprehensive list from the state. Hope that helps! </div></div>

[Lynn]

Seltzer

http://archive.newsok.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=RE9LLzE5NjkvMDEvMTIjQWQwNDcyMA%3D%3D&amp;Mo de=G&amp;Locale=english-skin

Not linking, but you can copy and paste. Ad from Jan 12, 1969.

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Todd:

I use the Sec. of State website regularly for other purposes.

I think what you are seeing here: https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=1900242926

is the beginning of Alan Merrell purchasing the business from Seltzer. Merrell took over the business in 72, used a start up corp with the name (Seltzer) in it, with permission from the previous owner(s), and operated for a short period of time as Seltzer Chevrolet before changing the name to Alan Merrell Chevrolet. So, the info is a bit misleading.

I have no idea how the business was titled before then. Could have been a sole proprietorship or a partnership, but no records with the S.O.S.

The SOS doesn't license every business in Oklahoma. If you type in my name, you will see Lynn J. Bilodeau PLLC starting operation on May 15, 2009. I operated my own law office for 13 years as a sole proprietorship prior to May 2009, but nothing was registered with the sos until I formed my professional llc.

</div></div>

Yup, it only makes that list if/when you are issued a business license by the state I guess. Unfortunately, you don't get that kind of ownership/name change information save for local knowledge. I have identified several dealers correctly for people using this method though. Also, if the business name did not include &quot;Chevrolet&quot; it makes the search much more difficult! Thankfully, most did.

[Bob Martin]

This Is my NCRS report on 1969 Camaro pace car. The dealer code comes up to Tom Naquin Chevrolet in Elkhart, Indiana but the report says Phillips Petroleum. What do you guys think? Thanks Bobhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/10/full-4372-17510-69_pace_ncrs.png

[John Brown]

Tom Naquin Chevrolet in still operating in Elkhart. Might give them a call. Address and phone, 2500 W Lexington Ave, Elkhart, IN 46514, 574-584-3290

[WILMASBOYL78]

Same thing happened to me...they sent me the dealer/zone code and a dealer name that wasn't correct. Turns out the codes were apparently correct.

wilma

[Carleen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">W/O going through all 62 pages, does this cover the El Camino? </div></div>

Yes its the same as Chevelle.

[turbojet427]

Anything new with getting information for cars that originally didn't have historical documents?

[Lynn]

I supposed it is possible that Phillips owned the dealership in Indiana.

[69hurstSC]

Thanks. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">W/O going through all 62 pages, does this cover the El Camino? </div></div>

Yes its the same as Chevelle. </div></div>

[TimG]

It could be that Phillips used the car in some promotional capacity. Your Pace Car could have an interesting history.

[RatZ]

Hello all. I am fairly new to this group and have an inquiry.

I just received my NCRS papers for my 71 Z28. It gives me the zone number as 18 which is Des Moines, IA. It also states that the official production date was 05/05/1972 and the dealer code is 491. It then states &quot;Unfortunately the GM listing does not have a name for this dealer.&quot;

Does anyone know what deal ship this is or where I can get the info using this code? Thanks for any help you can offer.

[RatZ]

Oops! My car was built in 1971, not 1972. Typo! Is there a way to edit the original post?

[mockingbird812]

What does &quot;GM official production date&quot; mean?

[RatZ]

Sam, if you hit the NCRS Historic Document Link at the top of this page it states that &quot;the GM official production date&quot; is the date the car was produced. I hope this helps.

[67rs/ss]

My 67 camaro came back GM production date 3/13/67 (Monday) and owner picked up 3/18/67 (Saturday).

[mockingbird812]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RatZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sam, if you hit the NCRS Historic Document Link at the top of this page it states that &quot;the GM official production date&quot; is the date the car was produced. I hope this helps. </div></div>

Thanks - what I was referring to was if this was the date that the car was completed on the production line (or started)?

[rsinor]

It was the day GM billed the dealer/floor plan for the car, the day it officially rolled off the assembly line.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Wow, so GM billed the dealer on the car's completion day? So, I assume the Floor Plan Charges start that day as well?

[mockingbird812]

Good info Roy. Sounds like you have some inside info. Thank you.

What was the average time from start to finish to build a non-COPO Chevy, such as a Camaro, Chevelle, or Nova in 1969?

[rsinor]

I don't think the floor plan charges started that day, not sure, but I guarantee the clock started running toward the point when they did start. In other words I think there was a 30, 60, 90 day period before floor plan charges started, giving a good dealer a chance to move inventory without interest accumulated.

[rsinor]

Don't have a clue, but I would suspect time on the actual line was the same for all vehicles at the given plant moving cars in and out of the line would have never been ideal or practical.

[Woj]

According to my NCRS info, my 69 Chevelle was built in Baltimore on 6/18/69 and according to the protectoplate, it was sold 5 days later in Ohio on 6/23/69.

That is some quick timing on these cars. Don't know if mine was special ordered or not.

Phil Woj.

[67rs/ss]

My car from speaking to original owner son, said that it was ordered by his dad for his mom. He does not know when ordered. But with safety in mind was ordered with PDB and headrest seats. Car was delivered to Ironton Ohio only
about 2 1/2 hours from Norwood I believe, ship date 3/13/67 pop date 3/18/67.

[Vern B]

My 69 COPO was produced on 4/25 and sold on 5/16. The original owner did not order it, so it was purchased off the lot in Cocoa, FL. He told me when he walked in to look for an L78, he had no idea COPO's existed.

Amazing how quickly some of these cars turned over at the dealers.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Woj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to my NCRS info, my 69 Chevelle was built in Baltimore on 6/18/69 and according to the protectoplate, it was sold 5 days later in Ohio on 6/23/69.

That is some quick timing on these cars. Don't know if mine was special ordered or not.

Phil Woj. </div></div>

Which 1969 Chevelle? Must be nice:-) (Jealous!!)

[mockingbird812]

My '69 Baltimore built Chevelle was ordered by the owner on 8 March and has a Trim Tag with an &quot;06A&quot; and according to NCRS was built on Friday 6 June. It was delivered to the new owner one week later on 13 June in Roanoke VA.

[Woj]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Woj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to my NCRS info, my 69 Chevelle was built in Baltimore on 6/18/69 and according to the protectoplate, it was sold 5 days later in Ohio on 6/23/69.

That is some quick timing on these cars. Don't know if mine was special ordered or not.

Phil Woj. </div></div>

Which 1969 Chevelle? Must be nice:-) (Jealous!!) </div></div>


That would be the COPO.

Phil Woj.

[Bill Pritchard]

FWIW....my 69 Chevelle convertible was special ordered by the original owner. Per the Body Broadcast sheet, the order was received at the Kansas City assembly plant on 11/27/68, the production date was 1/9/69, and it was delivered to the original owner at the selling dealer in Yorkville IL on 1/17/69.

[Alss]

Just got the report back on my Z. We thought it was a local car, but no. Lustine Chevy in Hyattsville Md. code 335 zone 14. Production date of 7-7-69.
Anyone ever hear of Lustine?

[WILMASBOYL78]

Our Dusk Blue 69 L78 Nova was sold new at Lustine. If you search the web you will find some old photos and info...some of the folks here might even have some Lustine items...try Mr70.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/10/full-1121-17697-th.jpg

[jl8z28]

They sold some of the 69 zl1s

[jl8z28]

If it is a Maryland car they still have all the records you can find the original owners name

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Lustine sold a few Deuces as well. Maryland is a great state for title searches! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[69hurstSC]

Docs for my 69 396 El Camino arrived. Anyone heard of Parkwood Chevrolet formally of Lakewood-Long Beach, CA?

[68SSCamaro]

Picked this up off ebay.

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Docs for my 69 396 El Camino arrived. Anyone heard of Parkwood Chevrolet formally of Lakewood-Long Beach, CA? </div></div>

License Plate Frame (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lakewood-California-Parkwood-Chevrolet-Vintage-NOS-Dealer-License-Plate-Frame-/110958393675)

[69hurstSC]

LOL, I saw that.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: twertsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Docs for my 69 396 El Camino arrived. Anyone heard of Parkwood Chevrolet formally of Lakewood-Long Beach, CA? </div></div>

License Plate Frame (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lakewood-California-Parkwood-Chevrolet-Vintage-NOS-Dealer-License-Plate-Frame-/110958393675) </div></div>

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, I saw that.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: twertsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Docs for my 69 396 El Camino arrived. Anyone heard of Parkwood Chevrolet formally of Lakewood-Long Beach, CA? </div></div>

License Plate Frame (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lakewood-California-Parkwood-Chevrolet-Vintage-NOS-Dealer-License-Plate-Frame-/110958393675) </div></div> </div></div>

Well, it is solid gold........:-)

[TAR6569]

I had found some of the newspaper ads from 69 from Parkwood Chevrolet in Lakewood. Sent the vins to Andy the 69 Chevelle researcher for his database.

[ALLZS]

MY 69 L78 CAMARO WAS SOLD FROM PARKWOOD CHEVROLET

[69hurstSC]

When did they fold tent at Parkwood?

[barnboy396]

Just got the NCRS report for my 67 Camaro.
Dealer code 500 in zone 0 (Chevrolet Division), with production date of 09/23/1966.
The sale date on the protecto plate is 9/29/66.

[ryanbowtie]

Can anyone verify dealer 704, Zone 16 - thinking Florence, SC??
Thanks.

[Drew Papsun]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ryanbowtie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can anyone verify dealer 704, Zone 16 - thinking Florence, SC??
Thanks. </div></div>

Hello Ryanbowtie,
16-704
Charles Smith Chevrolet, INC
Florance, SC

Regards,
Drew Papsun

[Day2_69Z]

Back in May when this Service first became available I sent my info only to be notified 2 weeks later:
No Records Found.
Vin 124379N7011xx . . a late 10C build out of Virginia.
Has anyone else with a Late Car had the same results ?
I know they published some 600 vin sequences were unavailable but not any late ones.
Roy messaged me to wait a few months and resubmit......has anybody resubmitted and the results ?

[Day2_69Z]

No one's run into this with their reports yet ?

[69biscayne]

Anyone know what dealer code 130 in zone 34 is? I believe zone 34 is southern California / Nevada.


Thanks,
Steve

[Drew Papsun]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69biscayne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone know what dealer code 130 in zone 34 is? I believe zone 34 is southern California / Nevada.


Thanks,
Steve
</div></div>

Hello Steve,
34-130
Courtsey Chevrolet
Thousand Oaks, CA

Regards,
Drew Papsun

[69biscayne]

Drew, thanks. My friends 68 SS/RS 396/375 Camaro was from there. NCRS doesn't have this information.

Steve

[Day2_69Z]

found answer

[Dave Rifkin]

I just placed my order for documents related to my 1969 Corvette and received the message that they could not find anything for my VIN; that's just my luck.

[Day2_69Z]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Rifkin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just placed my order for documents related to my 1969 Corvette and received the message that they could not find anything for my VIN; that's just my luck.</div></div>

Same here on a Late build Z car..Oct 69....darn.
but I did talk to Roy, he suggested another try after the New Year....

[Dave Rifkin]

I think my car is also a late build car; maybe that has something to do with it.

[wheelhop]

anyone know dealer code 391 in Zone 3?

My 69 Chevelle's production date is 6-9-69

[mockingbird812]

Jim,

Zone 3 appears to be central to eastern PA and parts of NJ. Can't find dealership 391 though. I checked Pontiac zones: Pontiac Zones/Dealerships (http://www.ultimategto.com/art18.htm) as sometimes Chevy dealerships can be co-located, but did not see dealer &quot;391&quot;. Good Luck!

[wheelhop]

Sam,
thanks for your reply. According to the NCRS, zone 3 is located in Indiana, Illinois, or Missouri.
According to another gentleman on this site, the closest
he could find is a dealer # 395 , Bill James Chevy in St. Louis, Missouri. And that was on a window sticker from 1968.

[cdn454LS6]

Got mine back and the order number is 2851 My 69 camaro L78 sold new in Labree Chevrolet in Northampton Mass. Anybody know this dealership??
Thanks Ken

[wheelhop]

OK,
Drew Papsun was nice enough to give me a call this evening.
He thinks the name of the dealership #391 zone 3 should start with the letter J. And is in either Missouri or Illinois.

Anyone have any info on a Dealership starting with the letter J in Illinois or Missouri? Would need to have been open in late 1969 model year.
thanks,

[COPO_Anders]

I received the NCRS document for my friend Hans´ two 1969 Camaro´s yesterday.

The SS396 (L-78) was delivered to William Pape Inc, Huntington, New York. Dealer code 208 in zone 27. Official production date was 03/31/1969 (124379N6229XX).
The Z-28 was delivered to Berzal Chevrolet Inc, Catskill, New York. Dealer code 63 in zone 2. Official production date was 04/29/1969 (124379N6355XX).

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

[Stefano]

I knew the Service Manager at Pape. He had a 1968 L78 Chevelle convertible 4 speed that he ordered new from there. They were into the performance cars back in the day.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drew Papsun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I received mine today #32 &amp; 34 yes!!!!!, well sort of. I now have the zones, but the dealer info is limited.

Car 1 provided Zone 15 Dealer 339, but dealer name and address records are insufficient.. So if anyone has info on that zone and dealer it would be appreciated. Produced 9/8/69

My other car is zone 11 Dealer 372 and list dealer as Max Meyers Motors in Middlebury , IN. Now when I go to their data base and plug the #'s its show McManus Chevy, Chicago , IL 1970. Produced 4/2/69

I really appreciate the information, but for me the dealer info is inconclusive. Thanks again Roy, and good luck to others searching for dealer info.


BTW if anyone else has info on the zones listed above, I would appreciate that.

Hello Steve,
I have some information from 1977 of zone 15 dealer 339.
Jay Chevrolet
301 South Burntmill Road
Voorhees, NJ 08043
I can not tell you this is the same information for the year of 1969.
Regards,
Drew Papsun

</div></div> </div></div>

Drew I just confirmed the following:

Jay Chevrolet
715 Haddon Ave
Haddonfield, NJ

This information is from Camden County 1969 phone records. Further information indicated the dealer at this location was Haddonfield Chevrolet until it changed to Jay in 1967. Jay Chevrolet moved to the Burntmill road location in the mid 70's and went out of business in 1978.

[Drew Papsun]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drew Papsun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I received mine today #32 &amp; 34 yes!!!!!, well sort of. I now have the zones, but the dealer info is limited.

Car 1 provided Zone 15 Dealer 339, but dealer name and address records are insufficient.. So if anyone has info on that zone and dealer it would be appreciated. Produced 9/8/69

My other car is zone 11 Dealer 372 and list dealer as Max Meyers Motors in Middlebury , IN. Now when I go to their data base and plug the #'s its show McManus Chevy, Chicago , IL 1970. Produced 4/2/69

I really appreciate the information, but for me the dealer info is inconclusive. Thanks again Roy, and good luck to others searching for dealer info.


BTW if anyone else has info on the zones listed above, I would appreciate that.

Hello Steve,
I have some information from 1977 of zone 15 dealer 339.
Jay Chevrolet
301 South Burntmill Road
Voorhees, NJ 08043
I can not tell you this is the same information for the year of 1969.
Regards,
Drew Papsun

</div></div> </div></div>

Drew I just confirmed the following:

Jay Chevrolet
715 Haddon Ave
Haddonfield, NJ

This information is from Camden County 1969 phone records. Further information indicated the dealer at this location was Haddonfield Chevrolet until it changed to Jay in 1967. Jay Chevrolet moved to the Burntmill road location in the mid 70's and went out of business in 1978.</div></div>

Hello Steve,
Thanks for the follow up of your research.
Regards,
Drew Papsun

[69_L89_Vette]

Drew,,,,,is the NCRS document service back up and running ?
regards Tom the concrete cowboy

[Drew Papsun]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69_L89_Vette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Drew,,,,,is the NCRS document service back up and running ?
regards Tom the concrete cowboy</div></div>

Hello Tom,
Yes,
It just became available again this month for Corvettes only.
Regards,
Drew Papsun

[TimG]

Document Validation Service is up and running for Corvettes. It included window stickers, build sheets including tank stickers, shipper copies. Warranty Plates are not able to be validated.

[mr 707]

SO FOR CORVETTES THE SERVICE WILL SHOW ORIGINAL OPTIONS ON THE SHiPPER?

[TimG]

Document Validation Service will verify paperwork and tie it to a specific car. If someone sends in a tank sticker and the VIN of their car it will validate that that document belongs to that VIN and it will validate the authenticity of the document. Remember, many build sheets have no VIN on them. We can tie a VIN to a readable document. Window stickers and shipper copies have VIN's on them, so the Document Validation Service will validate the paperwork.

For the owner of a rare Corvette that has a build sheet/tank sticker with no VIN, it is very helpful to confirm that that paperwork is tied to that vehicle.

It will not call out options on the car. The NCRS Origin report tells you where the car was delivered and the dates involved.

[bugsy]

Just received my ncrs paperwork for my 1967Z28 and !970Z28 both survivor cars.They do a nice job and great information on Dealer codes and Zones. 67Z28 code576 zone 49. 1970Z28 code 421 zone14. thank you NCRS

[scuncio]

Just received the docs for my '68 Z. Zone 44, dealer code 201, dealer name unknown. Does anyone know what dealer this is?

[Drew Papsun]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just received the docs for my '68 Z. Zone 44, dealer code 201, dealer name unknown. Does anyone know what dealer this is? </div></div>

Hello Scuncio,
I do not know the dealers name.
I call tell you that zone 44 are Chevrolet dealers in the state of Michigan.
The dealer number 201 the name will start with the letter &quot; H &quot;.
Regards,
Drew Papsun

[black69]

Anyone ever consider asking the NCRS to do a free (or reduced cost) check of where the unknown Yenko cars came from (for the Yenko registry)? I was checking the VIN lists, and had the thought, maybe the lists could be updated with the dealer info now through help from the NCRS.

[TAR6569]

All the dealer docs for the pilot 67 Camaros #'s 1-49 have been done.

http://www.pilotcarregistry.com/

[William]

All Canonsburg Yenkos were delivered to Yenko Chevrolet. Yenko Sportscars Inc distributed the cars to their dealer network. NCRS would not have that information.

[black69]

Well that makes it easy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[scuncio]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drew Papsun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just received the docs for my '68 Z. Zone 44, dealer code 201, dealer name unknown. Does anyone know what dealer this is? </div></div>

Hello Scuncio,
I do not know the dealers name.
I call tell you that zone 44 are Chevrolet dealers in the state of Michigan.
The dealer number 201 the name will start with the letter &quot; H &quot;.
Regards,
Drew Papsun </div></div>

Drew, that's great information. I did not realize there was any kind of alphabetical order. I did discover that dealer code 198 was Hamilton Chevrolet. I suppose 201 could have been Harry May Chevrolet? I'll keep looking....

[TAR6569]

Yes, alphabetical and would be by the last name if that was in their name. So with Harry May, it would be sorted by May.

[my69rat]

So you find out the zone and the dealer code. Then you have to find out where the dealer is and the name of the dealer. If the dealer is out of business you still have nothing. If they were still in business I would say there not going to have any info from way back when. The dealer my car was bought didn't have any info long gone they said. I just don't see the big deal in this. If I am wrong tell me I am sure someone will hehe.

[Drew Papsun]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drew Papsun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just received the docs for my '68 Z. Zone 44, dealer code 201, dealer name unknown. Does anyone know what dealer this is? </div></div>

Hello Scuncio,
I do not know the dealers name.
I call tell you that zone 44 are Chevrolet dealers in the state of Michigan.
The dealer number 201 the name will start with the letter &quot; H &quot;.
Regards,
Drew Papsun </div></div>

Drew, that's great information. I did not realize there was any kind of alphabetical order. I did discover that dealer code 198 was Hamilton Chevrolet. I suppose 201 could have been Harry May Chevrolet? I'll keep looking.... </div></div>

Hello Scuncio,
Harry May Chevrolet - Cadillac, INC.
Monroe, MI
Zone # 44
Deaker # 312
We still need to keep looking for # 201.
Regards,
Drew Papsun

[scuncio]

Makes sense, if they are sorted by the last name. The search continues!

Thanks,
Tony

[Nasblu]

Received shipping report for a 1966 427 Corvette and it listed it as Zone 0 Dealer 568. It then goes on to say &quot;GM Division MI&quot; I proceeded to look up Zone 0 Dealer 568 on the NCRS Dealer Code Data section and it listed that as being CPC Tonawanda Engine Plant. Was the car a GM executive car at the Tonawanda Plant in 1966 or was the car a test car at the Tonawanda Plant in 1966? Being that the car wasn't produced until January of 1966 I would think that it would be late in the model year to be a test car? Any members here work at the Tonawanda Engine plant in 1966 or know of anyone who worked at the Tonawanda Engine plant in 1966 that may remember a 1966 Corvette 427 Convertible Silver Pearl/black interior.

[TAR6569]

Might have been an employee working there who ordered it?

[X77Z28MP]

Just got my paperwork back from NCRS dealer code 9 zone 39 ed black dealership Just to let everyone know last year I sent in my 50 for info on my car, A month later I got a letter saying no info on my car. That realy put a damper on my search I gave up. Some of you that received the same letter you might want to resubmit your VIN again maybe they rushed my number without realy looking carefully, it wont cost anything if they don't find your car. GOOD LUCK ON YOUR SEARCH

[camaromb]

My 70 Trans Am show up on The PHS invoice as selling from a Tenn. dealership but it sold new from a dealership in Ft. Meyers Florida. I'm sure many cars never saw their selling dealership noted on manufacturers records.

[fsc66]

Dave, did you get the info on each of the 4 dealers already or still looking?

Paul

[fsc66]

Marlin:
Did you get the info on your 2 dealers?

Paul

[Aldfaa]

Got my NCRS report back the other day on my 1970 Chevelle. Sold out of Burt Chevrolet of Englewood Co. I have talked to all of the previous owners except the original owner. The second owner bought it in 1972 and brought it to Kansas where it has been ever since.

[TAR6569]

Burt sold out to John Elway in the last few years. I found a build sheet from a 70 wagon up here that was a courtesy delivery from Burt to a dealer in MA

[fsc66]

Just putting this out there again. If you have dealer zone and codes with no corresponding dealer name or information, let me know and I will see if I have any information in my database.

Paul

[THNDER]

Got my letter this week.

Dealer code52

Zone 0

Delco Division
Dayton Ohio

Any help on this please?

Thanks Mike

[fsc66]

Same info I have:
00 052 DELCO MORAINE DIV Delco Moraine Div P O BOX 184 DAYTON Ohio


Paul

[THNDER]

Employee car perhaps?

[fsc66]

Are you still looking for this dealer?

Paul

Hello all. I am fairly new to this group and have an inquiry.

I just received my NCRS papers for my 71 Z28. It gives me the zone number as 18 which is Des Moines, IA. It also states that the official production date was 05/05/1972 and the dealer code is 491. It then states &quot;Unfortunately the GM listing does not have a name for this dealer.&quot;

Does anyone know what deal ship this is or where I can get the info using this code? Thanks for any help you can offer.

[rsinor]

Employee car perhaps?

My guess would be executive car, billed to Delco Moraine. employee cars usually went through a dealer even though there may have been an employee discount. This car went to Delco Moraine for a reason, if not as a test or development then probably for a executive.

[ban617]

Then they could have went to Lang’s Chevrolet, White Allen Chevrolet, Frank Z Chevrolet,I’m not for sure if there were any others

[ban617]

Voss Chevrolet, McCluskey Chevrolet

[Tommy]

I received my NCRS letter today on the 1968 Camaro I recently purchased.

Dealer Code 120 in zone 14

City Chevrolet, Baltimore, Maryland.

Very Cool! It must have headed South a long time ago, It was titled in Mississippi until recently.

Tommy

[Lynn]

Just putting this out there again. If you have dealer zone and codes with no corresponding dealer name or information, let me know and I will see if I have any information in my database.

Paul

Still have not found dealer 833 in zone 23 (Oklahoma).

Everyone says it should start with an "S" but we have never nailed it down.

[Big Block Bill]

if this latest addition to the service ends up being a success, will you expand it to the fullsize cars?

It's been close to 5 years since this was posted so I had to ask, has the NCRS found anything on full size Chevrolet's out of the St Louis plant yet or will they not support the full size cars?

Bill

[BCreekDave]

Then they could have went to Lang’s Chevrolet, White Allen Chevrolet, Frank Z Chevrolet,I’m not for sure if there were any others

Frank Z wasn't around until ~1972. Ray Bryant was the dealer on Brown Street that Frank bought out in 72-73 timeframe.

A sale to a GM division is usually a car for the executive pool and these sometimes are purposed for engineering testing or as a "company car" for travel between divisions etc. After about 6 months they were usually posted on bulletin boards or in the division newsletter for sale to employees. They couldn't be sold as new but did have the remainder of the new car warranty. My folks got a few cars this way. Never heard of any hi-po cars. Mostly high-line Caddies or Buicks but also many plain janes.

[69 L88]

This is an update for the Camaro, Chevelle, and Nova cars.


1965 through 1972 for Camaro, Chevelle
https://www.chevymuscledocs.com/

Historical Document Services
1965-1972
BEGINS MAY 1

National Corvette Restorers Society is pleased to announce that we can now provide certain information for model years 1965 through 1972 for Camaro, Chevelle and Nova through the efforts of the NCRS and permission granted by General Motors. We believe our fellow hobbyists and car clubs have desired this information since it became available for Corvettes several years ago.

The information consists of the dealer code, dealer name, dealer location and the production date the car was produced. The good news is this may allow you to find the original dealer where your Chevrolet Camaro, Chevelle or Nova was shipped and possibly open the door to finding more information about your Chevrolet.

A Camaro, Chevelle or Nova Shipping Data Report can be ordered only online. Membership in NCRS is not required. The fee will be $50 payable by credit card or PayPal. You will receive via USPS a letter with the information which includes the NCRS official seal. In limited cases the dealer code is not available or readable and in this case a full refund will be made.

www.chevymuscledocs.com. (http://www.chevymuscledocs.com)

Regards,
Drew Papsun

Thanks drew...…

[mssl72]

It's been close to 5 years since this was posted so I had to ask, has the NCRS found anything on full size Chevrolet's out of the St Louis plant yet or will they not support the full size cars?

Bill

I had emailed last year and the response was basically "Sorry, no full size". I don't think there are any plans to go big car.

[Igosplut]

Frank Z wasn't around until ~1972. Ray Bryant was the dealer on Brown Street that Frank bought out in 72-73 timeframe.

A sale to a GM division is usually a car for the executive pool and these sometimes are purposed for engineering testing or as a "company car" for travel between divisions etc. After about 6 months they were usually posted on bulletin boards or in the division newsletter for sale to employees. They couldn't be sold as new but did have the remainder of the new car warranty. My folks got a few cars this way. Never heard of any hi-po cars. Mostly high-line Caddies or Buicks but also many plain janes.

Friend of mine got a 69 Z like that from a GM guy named Jim Clark. They had put an LS6 in it, and he got the 302 with it also.

[SMS]

Frank Z wasn't around until ~1972. Ray Bryant was the dealer on Brown Street that Frank bought out in 72-73 timeframe.

A sale to a GM division is usually a car for the executive pool and these sometimes are purposed for engineering testing or as a "company car" for travel between divisions etc. After about 6 months they were usually posted on bulletin boards or in the division newsletter for sale to employees. They couldn't be sold as new but did have the remainder of the new car warranty. My folks got a few cars this way. Never heard of any hi-po cars. Mostly high-line Caddies or Buicks but also many plain janes.



My Dad worked for a GM affiliate, Allison Transmission in Indy and this Camaro was an executive car, that he purchased after its 6 mo or so cycle in the pool. It was seriously loaded.


https://i.imgur.com/4uS1XG3.jpg

[SMS]

Anyone by chance have a dealer name for Zone 8 Dealer code 546?


In Georgia I believe. NCRS does not have the dealer name but did have this 546 code for my 69 Chevelle 300 SS. Dealer #545 was River Chevrolet so I'm probably looking for an old dealer name starting with an R in Ga or SC.






https://i.imgur.com/obNOFo2.jpg

[fsc66]

Lynn:
See what you can find out about Seltzer Chevrolet. Their location; "Yukon is part of zone 23 and I don't have a dealer number for them and they fit into the dealer number you are looking for. This is a Dec 69' ad. I see ads from 68' - 71'.
Paul

[chevyman0429]

Just sent in for the ncrs reports on both my 69 chevelles! Kinda excited as I have no real history on either cars! I was told my 300 hardtop raced here in Michigan for a while but came up from the south!

[Lynn]

Lynn:
See what you can find out about Seltzer Chevrolet. Their location; "Yukon is part of zone 23 and I don't have a dealer number for them and they fit into the dealer number you are looking for. This is a Dec 69' ad. I see ads from 68' - 71'.
Paul

Thanks Paul. I have several old Seltzer Chevy ads. I worked right down the street from them. My first Z (Silver w/ black stripes) came from there. Had a dealer installed cross ram before I got it. POP was in the glove box, but I pitched it as being "useless". Just as well. The car ended up with a 427 L72 engine, wrapped around a telephone pole, and was parted out and crushed.

I don't know if it would help, but Seltzer became Alan Merril Chevrolet in late 71, I believe. I tried to find a dealer number for them but never did.

I know Seltzer sold a ZL1, I think car #61. I thought the one they sold was white, but CRG shows it as fathom green. I guess I could run the NCRS on that car and see if it is the same dealer code.

[firstgenaddict]

My Dad worked for a GM affiliate, Allison Transmission in Indy and this Camaro was an executive car, that he purchased after its 6 mo or so cycle in the pool. It was seriously loaded.


https://i.imgur.com/4uS1XG3.jpg

Check out the Toranado... nice! Wern't those front wheel drive with the 455?

The RED RED 67 RS/SS 350 is nothing to sneeze at, I would take it over the T-nado any day...
How often does one see a RED RED first gen F BODY Convertible decked out like that... looks like it has redlines as well?!

[SMS]

Check out the Toranado... nice! Wern't those front wheel drive with the 455?

The RED RED 67 RS/SS 350 is nothing to sneeze at, I would take it over the T-nado any day...
How often does one see a RED RED first gen F BODY Convertible decked out like that... looks like it has redlines as well?!


The Tornado was a 455 FWD. Dad bought new in 66.


Mom's Camaro was 350/295. Powerglide, Posi 10 bolt, PDB, red lines, AC, tilt, cruise, PW, deluxe red, luggage rack, fold down back seat, am/fm, etc... plus all the stuff you can see.


Really a great car. I learned about cars working on it as a kid with dad, valve job and stuff. Wreck's Incorporated, a giant junk yard in Indy called about a week after we sold it in 1975 to say "we have your car". The guy who bought it totaled it before he even transferred the title.

[PeteLeathersac]

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Both cool cars!
Not that it matters much here but 66/67 Toros actually had 425 CID engines and the 455's first appeared w/ '68 models.
:beers:
~ Pete

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[SMS]

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Both cool cars!
Not that it matters much here but 66/67 Toros actually had 425 CID engines and the 455's first appeared w/ '68 models.
:beers:
~ Pete

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Opps, of course it was a 425. Brain fart. Also the coolest speedometer. ;)


The guy dad sold the Toronado to in the late 70s skipped town after one payment (local dude who worked at our corner gas station) and we still have the title to that car. Every burgundy one that comes up for sale I still scope out. :)

[firstgenaddict]

I have fond memories as well... as during my youth my mom drove a RED/Black 67 Camaro Convertible 327 PG - as a matter of fact I drove with the top down FOR my DRIVERS LICENSE ROAD TEST.

[brent396]

Looking for Dealer code 503 in zone 14 NCRS says zone 14 is in MD @ DC area thanks

[fsc66]

Dealer zone 14 dealer code 503 is:
Sport Chevrolet Company
Silver Spring Maryland:

See attached from a 69' Camaro

Paul Winvoices

[brent396]

thank alot

[fsc66]

Are you going to try to get NCRS to add this and re-send you their document stating Sport Chev is the dealer?

Paul

[brent396]

Thanks for the info

[PeteLeathersac]

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Sounds like something cool's up Brent, looking forward to more when you can.
Sport Chevrolet MD sure delivered lots of great muscle including ZL1 #56 plus known existing LS6 and L78 cars also Old Deadeye 2, the HO L72 Copo Member Mike K. used to own.
:beers:
~ Pete

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[chevyman0429]

I got my NCRS documents back today on both my 69 Fremont built chevelles! My originally Cortez silver 300 deluxe hardtop ( yellow ) was sold new out of Fletcher Jones Chevrolet in West Minster! Code 246 zone 20
My Black 69 came back as sold new out of Roller Chevrolet company in Monterey Californa code 511 in zone 6.
Kinda exciting since I really know nothing about there history

[Lynn]

Lynn:
See what you can find out about Seltzer Chevrolet. Their location; "Yukon is part of zone 23 and I don't have a dealer number for them and they fit into the dealer number you are looking for. This is a Dec 69' ad. I see ads from 68' - 71'.
Paul

I just posted a "wanted" ad on local CL.

https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/wan/d/guthrie-seltzer-chevrolet-emblem/6826401883.html

My car had two holes in the tail panel where a missing dealer emblem had been installed. Not having he emblem, I welded the holes. But, I did take measurements before welding them up. Maybe someone here in the OKC area has an old Seltzer emblem, and I can match it up that way.

[704EVER]

Just curious, but does anyone have a phone number for the NCRS site? I got an email a month ago saying docs have been mailed but they never showed up, sent a question through their help desk 2 weeks ago and apparently nobody checks it or someone is on a long vacation. Just wondering if they had any real contact info.

[L78racer]

https://www.ncrs.org/contact/index.php

[Lynn]

Originally Posted by fsc66
"Lynn:
See what you can find out about Seltzer Chevrolet. Their location; "Yukon is part of zone 23 and I don't have a dealer number for them and they fit into the dealer number you are looking for. This is a Dec 69' ad. I see ads from 68' - 71'.
Paul"

I just posted a "wanted" ad on local CL.

https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/wan/d/guthrie-seltzer-chevrolet-emblem/7016892049.html

My car had two holes in the tail panel where a missing dealer emblem had been installed. Not having he emblem, I welded the holes. But, I did take measurements before welding them up. Maybe someone here in the OKC area has an old Seltzer emblem, and I can match it up that way.

Paul:
I just had another thought. ZL 1 #61 came from Seltzer Chevrolet in Yukon, OK. VIN is 124379N642927.

Has anyone ordered the shipper report for that car? If it is the same dealer code as mine, then I will know it came from Seltzer (which I have always suspected).

Two Questions:

1. Anyone have any pics of #62 from the back? It would likely show the dealer emblem.
2. Do I need to be the owner to request the shipper report from NCRS?

[DougA]

'

Sounds like something cool's up Brent, looking forward to more when you can.
Sport Chevrolet MD sure delivered lots of great muscle including ZL1 #56 plus known existing LS6 and L78 cars also Old Deadeye 2, the HO L72 Copo Member Mike K. used to own.
:beers:
~ Pete

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My good friend Steve has a 70 LS-6 Chevelle with docs. that was from Sport Chevrolet. Was originally a cowl induction, M-22 bucket car, with 4.10s. Ghobi Beige, with black interior.

[lowmile]

Ken What mufflers do you guys run? I hate DRONE!

[SamsDZ]

Any other way to track down info on a car? My 69 Z28 falls into the missing vins per NCRS.
Would love to know what dealer it was sold from when new.