View Full Version : '69 L89 Nova's ??
BUIZILLA
02-08-2003, 02:20 AM
Hi, can anybody tell me conclusivelyif there were ever any L89 Nova's FACTORY built in 1969. I hear talk here, and elsewhere, that they existed.
www.novaresource.com (http://www.novaresource.com) says there were 311 made...
NNN says NONE were made..
I have seen statements that they have been seen on dealers lots? I believe I may have seen the same back then...looking for supporting and documented facts.
Also, does anyone know if the 414 or 041 or 492 heads came FACTORY INSTALLED on '70 LT-1's? We all know 186's did...I have seen where 414's were Corvette LT-1 only? Just curious if anyone knows different??
thanx, Jim
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COPO PETE
02-08-2003, 04:14 PM
Salseman at Central in Ontario says they sold both. I have seen documentation (as well as the Camaro)
from GM of Canada to prove that it was sold, and sold at Central. He just a couple of days ago has agreed
to let me go through his records sometime this spring. He kept all his original bill of sales for all cars he sold,
so I hope to find some. I'll update once this happens.
My COPO Nova came with 186 heads. Any I have seen came this way. These cars were all built in a 3 week
period, and are all very consistant. Not like some cars that had early and late production differences.
Peter
BUIZILLA
02-09-2003, 09:29 PM
Thanx for the reply Pete. So, the 1969 L89 Nova is fact huh?? cool..
Apparently the 414 was a 1970 LT-1 Corvette, one model year only head. Sounds pretty rare. My 100% original '70 Z28 is an 06D car and I know what heads are on it.
Jim
Maybe George S. who works for GM Canada documation service can research the Nova L89 option. Not sure if he can do it without a vin no. though.
442w30
02-10-2003, 06:50 PM
Check out the production figures for L89 Camaros.
Then you may understand why I think none were made.
YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY
02-10-2003, 07:29 PM
Jim;
Please show me where on Scott's site it says 311 made, I can't find it. I'm looking at this particular page;
http://www.novaresource.org/rpo2.htm
BUIZILLA
02-10-2003, 08:16 PM
Marlin, try these two pages>what FLOORED me was the listings for the 1970 cars w/aluminum heads...
www.novaresource.org/production.htm (http://www.novaresource.org/production.htm)
www.novaresource.org/codes.htm (http://www.novaresource.org/codes.htm)
Only 18 1970 L-78 engined Chevelles recieved the RPO L-89 Al. Head option.
No other Chevrolet car got the Al.Head in 1970 from the factory.
I have seen 3 so far.But only one has a Buildsheet with past owners history to document.I would like to obtain one one day.Anyone hear or see anyothers?
Documentation is a Must on this option,as you can easily build them yourself with an L-78 engine.
YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY
02-11-2003, 12:16 PM
Jim;
I see now where Scott shows the 311, thx. I think it is an error, here's my logic.
Of the 175 COPO LT1 Novas produced, 80+ have been found, more than half have paperwork. Wouldn't you think that with almost twice as many L89 Novas supposedly produced, at least 'one' would have shown up by now with paperwork? An even better example is the '68 COPO/Gibb/Harrell Novas with 15-25 produced, with at least 2-3 found with paperwork. I'm not saying an L89 Nova wasn't possible, but 311?
Jeff H
02-11-2003, 12:27 PM
I thought the 311 number was for L89 Camaros. If they only made 311 Camaros with the L89, then I seriously doubt they made even half that(if any at all) in the Nova.
Steve Shauger
02-11-2003, 12:30 PM
Jeff, that is the number of 69 camaros with the L89 option....coincidence???
Kim_Howie
02-11-2003, 02:02 PM
I have looked for info about 10 years still havn't found any proof. NHRA lets you run them in stock class for 68-70. I asked for info from them and still waiting. I don't think they made any for any year. KIm
BUIZILLA
02-11-2003, 02:03 PM
Marlin, I'm thinking like you on this. Kinda like the CTB/CTC Camaro and Nova engine codes. They are entwined by chassis combination. And, like was stated above, you WOULD think that if 311 Nova's were this way, or even half that amount, at least ONE would surface.... I'm not going to swear my kids life on it, But I would swear I've seen at least ONE that was sold new that way. Another responder has stated he saw several on a dealer lot in the Cleveland area in that timeframe. NNN says none were built, above we read that maybe a Canadian deal was done. My curiosity is at a peak, and I *think* you know why at this point. I just gotta know...
Jim
YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY
02-11-2003, 02:13 PM
Jim;
You can't use the CTB/CTC engine code duplicity in an effort to correllate the 311 L89's produced to include Camaros and Novas. The CTB/CTC Camaro Z28 engine codes being used on the Novas was specifically due to the Novas being COPO's, the L89 option was an RPO, obviously not the same.
Does anyone know where the 311 produced comes from? Is it engines produced, or cars produced? If it's engines produced, then Jim may have a case provided the engines produced don't have any applications stamped into them. However, if they did, then we would have the breakdown for Camaro vs. Nova vs. Chevelle applications.
I think the only drivetrain code that was duplicated between the Camaro's and Novas were the rear axle codes, BT indicates 3.55 Posi for both '69 Camaros and Novas for eg.
I guess it is another one of those Mystery Cars. Some people remember seeing them and there is no reason why it could not have been built but there have been no documented cars found so it remains unverified.
BUIZILLA
02-11-2003, 03:34 PM
Marlin, good point.
Pete, how do I get ahold of George S. to ascertain research on the one ?
Jim
Kurt S
02-11-2003, 03:40 PM
311 is the # from GM records for RPO L89 installed in 69 Camaros.
YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY
02-11-2003, 03:51 PM
Thanks Kurt. What do the GM records say for RPO-L89 installed in Novas?
COPO PETE
02-11-2003, 04:03 PM
Jim, George Zappora's number is 905-644-5843. I just got off the phone with him He has never documented
a L-89 Nova for 69 or otherwise. He has done some 69 Camaro's. He does not and will not search for one.
He has to keep his credibility up and can't go car shopping! But.... it's like my COPO Nova, If I had not searched
that car, he would have to say he has not documented one. My best bet is now to go through Dave records
and see if he has the bill of sale for one and do a search through GM of Canada on that #.
Peter
BUIZILLA
02-11-2003, 04:51 PM
Thanx for the info. Pete. I'll be anxious to see what you dig up....if anything.
Jim
Kurt S
02-11-2003, 10:02 PM
Of course, I don't have those Nova production pages. I've been wanting them for a while now.....
No surprise that George won't search the Canadian records for cars with certain options. TEDIOUS! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
442w30
02-12-2003, 09:27 PM
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I thought the 311 number was for L89 Camaros. If they only made 311 Camaros with the L89, then I seriously doubt they made even half that(if any at all) in the Nova.
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Exactly! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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