Anyone run the Pertonix stuff??

[budnate]

Have any of you tried the Pertonix Ignitor ì2î ignition system with there Flame Thrower
Coil and there 7mm stock appearing Flame Thrower plug wires, on your cars????.
The Ignitor 2 is supposed to adjust dwell above 3 grand and really work well. So they say at there shop, I am wanting to upgrade the ign system but look close to stock, any feedback would be appreciated, I have all the trick Mallory stuff new in the box but just cant bring myself to install it in the car, just donít look right.

Thnx Bud.

[Seattle Sam]

Bud,

Check the string under Pit Area called Pure Stock Drag Racing tips & tricks. It's discussed starting in about the third post...

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=racing&Number=24989&page=0 &view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

-Sam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Chevy454]

There is some good reading in that link above.

Just make sure you get the "old" style, but I'm not for sure exactly which style the Pertronix II is...could I get some help here, Mo?

[moparts]

Not sure what the 2 is. The style we found to work best has the pickup that bolts to the underside of the rotor. The one that picks up off the lobes for the points had lots of starting problems.

[budnate]

Not sure what to make of the posts on it, not much detail, sounds like it is better than points, but has broken twice with one guy, that is a pain had that happen years ago with another car a few times before we figured out they were selling us the wrong points, That does not work well when the car is broke on a nice summer night and you are not at home! I checked out the crane site, anyone try that kit yet??

Bud.

[Chevy454]

The Pertronix units are definitely easier to manage than points, but they do have their weak points. The Crane unit (http://www.cranecams.com/ignition/xri.htm) looks nice, but I haven't tried it...although I know someone that was thinking about it! Maybe he'll chime in.../ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[budnate]

OK, lets talk spark!

Bud.

[whitetop]

This topic was discused on a Mustang site several days ago. I think most people are overall happy with the Pertronix but there is enough of them conking out that most of even the die hard Pertronix people say to make sure your carry a spare set of points/screwdriver and feeler gauges in your trunk.

[Enoch]

I have used petronix in over a dozen cars and had no problemn. As was stated before get the second version that installs under the rotor (Ring and pick up) and make sure you have a full 12 volts to the positive side of the coil. My understanding is that the earlier version would cut ot and not the second.

[budnate]

Pertronix 2 , http://www.pertronix.com/ignition/ignitorII/index.htm

[budnate]

pertronix 1 , http://www.pertronix.com/ignition/ignitor/index.htm

Ok so which style is the good one??????????.
The number 2 sounds interesting with the dwell adjusting, but it may be to much garbage in a small package, meaning cheap parts????. They have a pretty good name going,
Guys, what has the factory said about the dead units???.

Bud.

[JoeC]

Crane unit has a built in rev limiter

[copo69]

Has anyone used the Lectric Limited electronic ignition? It only has one wire coming from dist. like original. I've also heard one of the Pertronix units requires you turn key on for a few seconds before cranking. LL unit is higher priced.

[Chevy454]

Yep, the one in your link (Ignitor II) is the one we had so many problems with. I love this line: "Senses engine startup and increases dwell time providing more energy for starting sparks." Sure it does! The first one of the "new" units we had, I tried it in my LS-6 Chevelle, and we couldn't get it to fire! Eventually it got to where it would start occasionally, but it ran like crap. Then, the one in dad's Yenko Camaro burnt up (old style), we replaced it with a new style, and the same thing happened. Called Pertronix, got a hold of some "old" style units, swapped them out, and problems solved. As a matter of fact, the tech guy at Pertronix said they had had a LOT of complaints with the "new" style.

Here is the one you want: Original Ignitor (http://www.pertronix.com/ignition/ignitor/index.htm)

[budnate]

COPO69, I saw that one awhile back on a site where some guy is restoring his car, but had no info about how it worked, he shure was proud of it he had three photos of it, I think he said he shiped it to some guy that did it and it cost him 150.00 for the conversion. But I recall only one wire comeing from the unit.

Bud.

[Jeff H]

I've used the original Ignitor on several cars and had no problems. I have one sitting in the box in case I decide not to use the TI setup.

[Kurt S]

I think you are talking about 'Ignition Man'. He's out west, CA? Knows his ignition stuff, but got kicked off the camaros.net board. Maybe HI Jeff knows his real name.

Other thing to note is points work great. And they run forever. I was always planning to modify, but too many issues with the Pertonix. MacNeish is running points in his 68 race Z and it's more than competitive. Now if you're running endurance stuff, then you need something better (too high of rpms too long).

Just like when people want to put in an BeCool radiator for better performance, what problem are you trying to solve?

[Chevy454]

Here you go, Kurt: http://www.davessmallbodyheis.com/

I wish he had some pictures of his work on his site...it's pretty slick. He can convert your points to MSD or HEI.

[budnate]

My old school trick was to put Accell points and cap and have it recurved in the stock dist, then use a Accell coil, worked fine, but had to stay up with the points as they broke in and adjust dwell, I had seen the other stuff advertised and thought I would ask your opinion on the Subject, I have decided to put the Numbers match Motor under the bench and finish the alum head motor for some fun this summer,I was shooting to get things under the hood looking correct.
Thnx for the input guys, Bud.

[Chris396]

I had him do one for me with HEI. If anyone wants a pic email me. I still haven't put it in yet.

[Chris396]

http://community.webshots.com/album/66411434vZZvus I put some pics here. The distributor was a spare single point out of a '69 that my friend had. I'm hoping for 15MPG with the HEI and the tripower.

[Chevy454]

Great pics there Chris!

I went ahead and got a couple more pictures of different applications from Dave, just for those interested.

(See below)

[Chevy454]

This first picture is of a full HEI setup in a tach drive (Corvette)) distributor. Due to the tach drive assembly, the module is remote mounted...but, if you remove the module, then you are left with an MSD trigger conversion for those fans of the "red boxes".

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/38788-HEI1.jpg

[Chevy454]

This second picture is of a small body Chevrolet distributor converted to HEI, with the module mounted on the bottom of the distributor housing.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/38789-HEI2.jpg

[Chevy454]

And here is a stock small body distributor with the MSD magnetic trigger installed (shown with optional Crane adjustable vacuum advance)...just plug it into your favorite MSD box and go.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/38790-HEI3.jpg

[SS454]

Rob are you doing the convsions or can you tell me who is. or is it a kit that you buy? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
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[Chevy454]

Nope, not me! Look here:

http://www.davessmallbodyheis.com

[Chevy454]

Interesting bit of irony...

...it seems the Pertonix unit in our Camaro crapped out on us today/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif. Oh well, it was
time to "upgrade" anyway.../ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[budnate]

Let us know what you go with, and if you like it.

Bud.

[Chevy454]

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Let us know what you go with, and if you like it.

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Well, the parts are here...hopefully I'll know shortly how it turns out/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif!

[budnate]

Bring it on!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Bud.

[moparts]

Hey Rob I will trade some sanding time on the car I am painting for the lathe work you need done. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DjD]

You won't be dissapointed in one of David Ray's HEI distributors or msd triggers. I have one and have been using it for almost 2 years. If you're out on the road any parts store will have replacement parts. You won't be making any over night stays waiting on a special order petronix replacement.

Dave starts with your points core and basically blueprints it, rechromes the shaft and builds it back all cleaned up and put back together as an HEI. He'll build the curve to your spec's or you can provide the specifics of your mill and he'll provide a recomedation for you. Dave requires you to use an Accel 8140 coil that you can paint black and will look stock. I am using petronix 8mm black wires with straight ends at the cap (I had to hunt to find the ends and boots) and I think it looks real good. I'll see if I can get a pic posted...

You can tell Dave that Dennis from Team Camaro says hi..

[Chevy454]

Dennis:

Pictures would be great! I have heard nothing but positive about Dave's work also...you are also correct on the coil recommendation, as he mentioned he disliked any of the epoxy coils. I emailed and asked him for a wire recommendation, but haven't heard back from him...would you happen to know what he recommends? Copper? Spiral? Or????

[DjD]

Off the top of my head I don't recall Dave's wire recomendations. Here's a few shots I don't have flash and hand held the light so they are not the greatest...

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/DjD/wwmill1.jpg

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/DjD/wwmill2.jpg

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/DjD/wwmill3.jpg

Couldn't find a straight boot kit for the 8mm wires but was able to make due with a 7mm kit.

Here's the rest of the White Wonder, not exactly a "Super Car" but she's my super car...

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/DjD/Anvil5_5.jpg

[Seattle Sam]

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Well, the parts are here...hopefully I'll know shortly how it turns out http://host.threadshosting.com/~yenko/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif!

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So Rob, did you end up building your own? Did you go wit Dave Ray's small body HEI? Inquiring minds want to know...

-Sam http://host.threadshosting.com/~yenko/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[DaJudge]

You may have already installed it by now. But M&H Wire fabricators has an electronic conversion that uses a single wire and you can use a stock coil or an upgraded one. It mounts completely under the OEM distibutor cap and it uses the existing distributor lead for a completely original appearance. I have used it on 4 cars and it works and performs flawlessly. Here's their web address www.breakerless.com (http://www.breakerless.com) http://host.threadshosting.com/~yenko/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Chevy454]

Moparts and I ended up building a small body HEI. I bought an MSD pickup through Summit, but Mo showed me an OEM Chrysler HEI pickup on his shelf that looked exactly the same as the MSD unit, except for the ends on the wires...but was a BUNCH cheaper. And I *believe* it was a Chrysler reluctor wheel we used as well. Mill down the shaft, epoxy & roll pin the reluctor on, then plug it into an MSD. Another solution is to simply use your points to fire an MSD box, making the points your "trigger" while the MSD box still provides the fire...your points would basically be just along for the ride, but the MSD is still providing the spark to your coil.

There's a few ways to do it, but I'm gun-shy of any under cap conversions now.