1967 festival IPC car E-Bay

[70 copo]

Looks like this may be a real festival car. Will need everything as the car appears to have lost its idenity. Good clues are there however. The patch of blue paint on the corner of the steering wheel, the blue seat belts, Vin tag and trim tag look correct and it has the early style traction bar. I wonder if the Pace car registry Mike R. has the vin recorded? My lists would show this vin to be in the ball park for production as listed by the seller. Charlie have a look...


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...p;category=6161 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4511224302&catego ry=6161)

[firstgenaddict]

Also has blue peeking through on the rear side wells for the convertible. Weren't the actual pace cars 350 hp cars? But with the 375 hp Steel crank and then autos or were they 375 hp cars that were bumped down to the 350 HP cam shaft so they were better for the Automatics?

[Rick H]

Most of the 396 Festival Pace cars are 325hp except for the very few 375hp cars. No 350hp. There were very few BB Festival Pace Cars made so this car has brought up a lot of interest.
But there are some big issues with the car.

I talked to the owner of this car on the phone and we talked quite a bit about it. One of the issues I had was the trunk pan.
If you look in the trunk, besides being patched, it has a 1968/69 trunk pan, shock towers and rear seat support. Totally incorrect for 1967. In this configuration that would mean the shocks are staggered which is also incorrect for 1967. He said he never realized the difference.

He informed me the original engine is also missing. The quarters and wheelhouses had been replaced at sometime and from the looks of it, the trunk pan. Unfortunately with the incorrect parts.

It has standard seats instead of deluxe.

The numbers add up to be a true Pace Car but there is no paperwork with the car.

He's not selling it cheap and it would cost a pretty penny to make it correct again.

Rick H.

[Xplantdad]

It also has '68 hood louvers http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

Bruce

[Seattle Sam]

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It also has '68 hood louvers http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

Bruce

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Easier to change those than it is to take off the rear spoiler..

I guess somebody didn't like Bright Blue!

[Rick H]

Think of the cost of correcting the trunk, shock towers, seat back support, etc... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

Rick H.

[70 copo]

For a real BB Festival car... might be cost effective to fix it. Cannot be more than a few left. My list shows only 5 BB Festival cars (and one 375 HP) (Belongs to Charlie).

The rest were SB 350/295 cars.

Pretty Rare car if you ask me. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Xplantdad]

I suppose it could be cost effective to fix it if there was enough supporting documentation to prove it actually IS a festival car.

Whenever I see cars "pieced" together with different year parts on them...It kind of makes me wonder. Did the guy prefer the look of the '68 hood scoops better?

As Rich pointed out, it has the wrong seat support, trunk pan, etc. and the engine is non-numbers matching.

This car just strikes me as a big http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Bruce

[70 copo]

Well if you dismiss a trim tag swap then the car is what it is. With festival cars documentation is almost non existant. The trim tag and Vin tag will verify IP track usage in this instance as the tag bears 0-1 and has the special stripe dash.

In reguard to your comments concerning the car being pieced together - I recall simular talk about the relative value in restoring Yenko and 69 COPO Camaro's as recent as 8 to 10 years ago that were also discovered "pieced together". I guess time will tell- or in the instance of this particular car - the bidders will speak in a final manner in about a week, and as of now they are bidding $27K. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[70 copo]

Now at $34, 400 with 18 bids........... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[joels_restorations]

keep in mind the car was restored in the early early 80's when there were not alot of aftermarket parts being made. the car had full nos gm conv. quarters installed .I have only seen 2 sets ever advertized. I got in to these cars in the mid 80's and 67 and 68 conv quarters were not to be had at that time,I bought 69 conv quarter for 220.00 eh. from gm then. the point is they used what they had to, and fixed the car. it could have gone like this the car is to rusty and so lets part it out and crush the rest like so many others have been done over the years. so i would say it is a good thing that the car was saved and it can be all corrected and be made super nice againg some day

[70 copo]

Like the 1970 Z-28 in the thread above the auction was ended early. Looks like E-Bay is a good place to place an "ad" for your car and then sell it off line?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Phil

[hvychev]

That is what I did with my 70 LS5 454 when I sold it in April. Three guys wanted it at the same time and I even sold it for $500 more than the buy it now! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif All the guys just did not want to bid on an auction. I even let the auction run it's course...weird. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Xplantdad]

Another 1967 RS/SS Indy Pace Festival Car (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=45156784 37&rd=1)

Anybody on this site own this? Looks pretty cool to me. Has a picture of the cowl tag, too!


Bruce

[70 copo]

This car is clearly very early production for a pace car being build # 92709 which should place the VIN as #124677N191992. This car is the earliest Vin# that has
surfaced so far with out a fleet code stamped on the trim tag. WOW!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

It appears to be complete and the real deal. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Phil

[Mark_C]

Close it's 124677N191975, it's in Donna Crispino's pace car book. There is one with a lower body number (by one), but a higher VIN (in the 7N1919xx's) and then everything else is in the 192xxx's and higher.

[70 copo]

I Nice to see #124677N191975 has finally popped up with an owner and location. I own 92708- the one with the lower body number. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Phil

[resto4u]

Do all 67 pace cars have the additional numbers on the vin. tag above the vin.#? Thanks,Roger

[70 copo]

"This car is clearly very early production for a pace car being build # 92709 which should place the VIN as #124677N191992. This car is the earliest Vin# that has
surfaced so far with out a fleet code stamped on the trim tag. WOW!!"

"It appears to be complete and the real deal."

Phil

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"Close it's 124677N191975, it's in Donna Crispino's pace car book. There is one with a lower body number (by one), but a higher VIN (in the 7N1919xx's) and then everything else is in the 192xxx's and higher."

Mark C.

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Mark,

It appears that the owner has confirmed the vin# as 992, in the question and answer portion of his auction. Take a look and let me know what you think. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Phil

[70 copo]

"Do all 67 pace cars have the additional numbers on the vin. tag above the vin.#? Thanks,Roger "

Some and some do not. It is kind of like the fleet codes. Sometimes they were stamped on the trim tag. To be a little more specific to your question - yes there were numbers and a two letter prefix as well above the VIN# on some of the cars.

Phil

[Mark_C]

I've had a picture of the Cowl Tag for over 2 years and it is saved with a reference to 975. It's also in the CRG database as 975 (since 1999). Could be two separate typos ( I collect tag and other images separately from the data collection)but I don't think so.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/113786-vin_7N191975_pacecar.jpg

[70 copo]

Good.. Then I guess that clears up the confusion. The auction car must be #992 then?? The story that I have always been told on #975 is that the car's VIN# was added to Donna's Registry based upon an observer's accounting at a car show from the 1980's. No trim tag information was provided. Car has never turned up again since.

If you have the Tag information that would verify it to be #975 and a pace car - now that would clear things up nicely.



Thanks

Phil

[Mark_C]

I read the question on Ebay and he never confirmed that it was 992, just leads everyone to beleive that is the number. The data which ties the 709 trim tag to the 975 VIN is from 1999, and it came from a guy by the name of Gray who was trying to buy the car. At the time the car was owned by a Mr Curtis somewhere near Nashville TN, who had had the car since 1975 and had had it in a barn since about 1979 or 80 so maybe thats why it disappeared.

I don't have anyway to verify the 709/975 combination unless someone goes to look at the car and can do it.

975 is a pace car.

[70 copo]

Mark,

Thanks.

I have to disagree as the seller specifically states in an answer that the Vin# was guessed. Re-read the Answer provided by the seller. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I would be intrested in ANY proof on the existance of 975 as an 0-1 festival car.

As we all know - Ermine white/with Bright Blue interior and white top was a combination that could be ordered all year in 1967.



Phil

[Mark_C]

Look at the image of the VIN I posted then look at yours on the 991 car. You should see something the two tags have in common that most 67's do not have. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Not 100 percent proof but makes it more likely.

Hopefully someone here will buy it and confirm the VIN one way or the other.

[70 copo]

Mark,

Some news to report. The seller was contacted via Phone. The Vin# of the current auction car was confirmed as 992.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Phil