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[Lee Weber]

Gentleman:

I would prefer my first post on this site be far more positive in nature - but it's not.

5 days ago I replied to an add posted on this site:

web page (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/179256/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD)

I contacted the seller. The first question I asked was "do you have documentation." Yes, was his answer and immediately I received photos of the build sheet.

Based on the cars lineage, I agreed to his asking price and made arrangement for payment.

The car needed/needs restored so I spend hours with many sYc members via phone (thx Al, Benny, Jude)regarding this subject.

In preperation for this I:

*Entered an agreement of sale for my 69 SS Convetible Chevelle to a local buyer.

*I bought plane tickets for a resto Shop to look at the car.

*I paid a very reputable Restoration shop to review the car (thanks Mickey).

The car is solid. But judge for yourself it's advertised authenticty. This link is to Team Camaro.
web page (http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70699)

Gents, pics of the build sheet are available for your review so that you can draw your own conclusion.


The point of my post is not slanderous. I'm sure the seller meant no harm. He claims the build sheet was just there in the car, and he's not sure where it came from. My point in placing this post is to provide info on this car so that a potential buyer does not have to endure any unwarranted trouble, and/or be mis-led in the buying process.

[Mr70]

That's a Homemade buildsheet and not the authentic recipe for this Camaro. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Hylton]

Where do you stand now with this car Lee? Do you still have it or did Dennis refund you your money? I have dealt with Dennis in the past with no problems and he appeared to me to be a very stand-up guy.

[Bill Pritchard]

Lee,

Sorry to see you're having some problems. No doubt that build sheet is bogus http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Hope you get everything worked out to your satisfaction...sounds like a really neat car, even if it turns out to be a non-L78 BB car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[mockingbird812]

Lee,

Send me an email, if you care to, at [email protected] or pm me via the SYC email system. I have some thots on your matter and may be able to help.

v/r

[Lee Weber]

Thanks Bill....your interior work on my Chevelle is what sold it...the back buttons, etc. Still looks brand new. You do any of that magic work on your black vert?

I'm hoping things work out with Dennis regardless of my loss.

[Lee Weber]

I do not have the car. Dennis did agree to allow me to back out after I confronted him on the authenticity of the car. Would still love to have the car...but a plain BB car (no options) Vert, that needs restored (pans, trunk deck), with no paper work (real paper work) that is in roller condition should not demand that kind of money IMO. I've asked to purchase at a reduced price but he has refused my offer(s).

[Hylton]

I am glad things worked out for you. I agree that the car is not worth as much now that its validity is in question. I can understand Dennis' lack of price movement if he bought this car based on the fake build sheet. He may be the actual victim.

[Lee Weber]

Sorry Hylton. Not the case. Previous holder of the car knew of no paper work. Dennis purchased the car 6 months ago for far less than what is selling. I'm not faulting him for wanting to make a buck - its a free market. I'm selling my 69 SS vert chevelle for more than I bought it...and the guy who I bought it from sold it to me for more than he bought it....Isn't that right Bill Pritchard? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Hylton]

Wow I am shocked! You may not fault him Lee for trying to make a buck but I am. Fraudulent misrepresentation is just that.

Dennis, do you have anything to say on this matter? Surely you have an explanation. I think you should respond - your access to this site and others may be in jeopardy.

[dlv4540]

How did I misrepresent the vehicle?

[dlv4540]

One more for the record. If I misrepresented the vehilce to Lee why is he still trying to purchase the car from me?

[Hylton]

Dennis,

The biggest concern is the build sheet which said the car was an L78. The car itself has a return fuel line which would indicate otherwise. The previous owner indicated that the car never had a build sheet. Are you saying the build sheet is real?

Let's just try and clear this up as to what the car really is. Any BB 'vert 69 Camaro is valuable and clarification will just help you sell it.

[Lee Weber]

Dennis
You are right - I still want to purchase the vehicle - but not at an L-78 cost. And, I’ve offered you what I feel to be more than fair for a plain Jane BB car.

How did you mis-represent the car? For starters: Sending me a bogus build sheet when I asked for the cars documentation.

I know - you just found it in the seat...happens all the time. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Lee Weber]

…and for the record. This A.M I did call Dennis and conveyed to him I felt I needed to post this situation to the sYc site in the event a future buyer may not stop to ask for verification on documentation as I did…
Check my initial post on this thread. My entire motivation for this post is to protect a potential buyer.

[Lee Weber]

Dennis has a solid project, rolling car. But, its value, as substantiated via a build sheet, needs to be recalibrated to reflect as such.

..and Dennis, burn that build sheet. I’m not saying you would use it again, but it could be used in the future to mis-represent the car. You’re a man of integrity and I know you don’t want to see that happen.

[COPO427]

Too bad it isn't a Pontiac, then you would have known.

[Mr70]

But come morning,you'd wake up to a Pontiac. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Hylton]

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But come morning,you'd wake up to a Pontiac. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Ain't that a bitch...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[njsteve]

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But come morning,you'd wake up to a Pontiac. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Ain't that a bitch...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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But at least you'll know it's still a real Pontiac in the morning! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif Just ask Danny Bonaducci about the alleged "lady" he picked up one night, who turned out to be a man the next morning....

[csx289]

Stop calling BelAir "Danny".

[70 ls6 convert]

This reminds me in the late 80s,i went to buy an all original 69 z28,the owner swore it was the 302 born with the car,never wrecked,upon inspection shabby rear qourter job,then i started it,slapped the throttle for a quick rev and it reved to about 4500,I did it again then turned the car off,I said this is not a 302!! it revs like a 350,having owned one i new they would rev to 7500 no problem,the owner then said well i did have some work done on the engine along time ago,obvously this was gonna be a no sale. mabey the guy that he had work on the engine stole the good parts when he rebuilt it .I think if your speding big money on a car,it must be inspected,and owner history is very important....if i was gonna buy a car for under ten grand on ebay i would,and did turned out it was a real rs z28 without the motor or papers no biggie thats small money..but if im gonna kick down 50 plus grand on a car it better be real.... just remember if its to good to be true it most likley is.If you really want the real mckoy,you have to spend the real mckoy. 37 k for a L78 convert hum!!try 100 plus...

[nuch_ss396]

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Just ask Danny Bonaducci about the alleged "lady" he picked up one night, who turned out to be a man the next morning....

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He must have tied one on real bad if he didn't figure that
out until the next morning...
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[Xplantdad]

I think he figured it our earlier than the next morning...then beat the pi$$ out of the guy... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Hylton]

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......I think if your speding big money on a car,it must be inspected,and owner history is very important....if i was gonna buy a car for under ten grand on ebay i would,and did turned out it was a real rs z28 without the motor or papers no biggie thats small money..but if im gonna kick down 50 plus grand on a car it better be real.... just remember if its to good to be true it most likley is.If you really want the real mckoy,you have to spend the real mckoy. 37 k for a L78 convert hum!!try 100 plus...

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You hit the nail on the head! Previous owner history is without a doubt, the most telling tale of any muscle car today. People are too quick to just look a car, with its matching this and that, combined with any paperwork and automatically assume they are buying an original untouched car.

Previous owners of any car that spent it's life up here in Ontario, Canada can be pretty easily found through DMV records and I have no doubt that some states also have this service. Regardless, there are some Title service companies that can find out who used to own the car in the past and if not, any cop can find some info on the car. Everyone has a cop friend right?

If someone is selling a low mileage legitimate collector car, they will ALWAYS have the name and phone number of the previous owner. Don't be scared to call up a previous owner before you buy a car.