Aircraft pics

[PeteLeathersac]

Amazing stuff...love those Warbirds too!.

Anyone else catch the story in this months 'Air Classics' or 'Warbirds' or whatever mag it was of American Thomas W. Kendall and his family's 'vacation' trip to Saudi-Arabia in his converted Catalina back in the early 60's?.
The whole story appeared in LIFE magazine back then but here's a link below w/ a brief outline of the story...pretty chilling tale also the pics of what's still left there are something too!.

http://uk.geocities.com/kendo1938/catalina.htm

~ Pete
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[SS427]

I have that magazine and it was a truly amazing story. Unbelievable that no one was killed with as much lead that was thrown at them. It is also amazing that the airplane has stayed there all these years and relatively intact.
Rick

[427TJ]

Yeah, I read that! Just a little vacation jaunt through the Middle East with the family in dad's WWII PBY-5A flying boat and the bastards start shooting at them! I suppose that was pretty naive of them, even in 1960, to go meandering through that part of the world.

[427TJ]

Changing the subject here. One of my favorite photos of the Thunderbirds: two F-105B Thunderchiefs cavort over their home base at Nellis AFB, NV in early 1964. Those were the days when jets had great names: Thunderchief, Sabre, Voodoo, Delta Dagger and Delta Dart, Starfighter, etc.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Various%20Photos/T-birdThudsNellis643.jpg

The T-birds only flew a few shows in the "Thud" before one crashed at Hamilton AFB north of San Francisco in May '64. The Thud had to be heavily modified for the Thunderbirds maneuvers and one of them broke apart during the arrival show at Hamilton and the pilot was killed.

[nuch_ss396]

Bill,

Makes you wonder why the Air Force would modify a
THUD for acrobatic service. Not my first choice http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

Didn't the Thunderbirds use F-100 Super Sabres for a while?

Steve

[SS427]

Yes they did. See attached.
Rick

[PeteLeathersac]

I don't know much on the US aerobatic teams but do remember the forerunners to the Canadian Snowbirds group used the older F86 Sabres...the GoldenBirds or whatever they were called?.

An F-86 sits on a cement stand near our local zoo here in Peterboro' Canada also I looked and saw the F-80 Silver Star is still there on it's post in Collingwood as I went through last weekend..

There's still quite a few old aircraft stuck on posts here in Canada, mostly ex-RCAF jets left but I expect they'll soon start disappearing too as the Stormbird groups get going more and resto costs seem more feasible compared to the escalating values of prop-job airframes and parts?.

They pulled the Lancaster off it's Toronto waterfront post after 40 or so years a couple years back and it's being put through a resto although I believe to be a Museum display w/ an operating engine or more...similar to the Canadian Halifax that was completed as a static display piece here a year or so ago?.

Back to the aerobatic teams, what's the other US group called...the Blue Angels?. Here in Canada a 'Blue Angel' always referred to something completely different! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.

~ Pete
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[1967 Impala]

"don't know much on the US aerobatic teams but do remember the forerunners to the Canadian Snowbirds group used the older F86 Sabres...the GoldenBirds or whatever they were called?."


The Goldenhawks

[1967 Impala]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u52/1967l72427/goldhaw3.jpg

just as a triva question does anyone know where this pic was taken?

[ANDY M]

Somewhere near Niagra Falls?
BTW Say a prayer for the fallen Blue Angel who died at the Cherry Point Marine Air Station in South Carolina today.
Too early to say why he crashed.

[427TJ]

Australian air force F-111 makes a surprise high-speed pass over an airfield building during an airshow. The guy at upper-right appears to be in the shadow of the jet's nose.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Various%20Photos/Low1111.jpg

[Belair62]

whoa !!!!!!!!! he gas to be cranking pretty good to have those wings in delta !!!

[nuch_ss396]

Bill,

That Aardvark is a little too close, wouldn't you say!

I would love to be the guy up top on the tower. He probably got
the surprise of his life and one he probably won't forget.

Aardvarks used to buzz the water tower of the plastics plant
I used to work at in the early 1980's. Always scared the crap
out of us...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Awesome image! Thanks.

Steve

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
whoa !!!!!!!!! he gas to be cranking pretty good to have those wings in delta !!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Bob,

Look at the compressed air just above the leading edge of the
left wing. That's the first clue he's pushing it ......

[Belair62]

Saw that...looked back thru the thread ans saw that Mig or Su whatever 2 feet off the deck...thats crazy stuff too..

[nuch_ss396]

Here's another F-111 image. Always like this. The RAAF call this the dump & burn. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/1203206.jpg

[nuch_ss396]

Another one!

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/1200857.jpg

[427TJ]

I'd guess that the 111 is doing about 450-500 knots. The F-111 is a giant sled and it's favorite configuration is 500+ on the deck. Those Aussie guys are nuts down under and stuff like this is strictly routine at their airshows.

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
Here's another F-111 image. Always like this. The RAAF call this the dump & burn. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/1203206.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Steve, they call this "flicking their Bic" (remember Bic disposable lighters?) and USAF crews used to do it for us during night air refuelings (I flew KC-135s). It lights up the entire sky when done at night. They open the fuel dump valve and light the afterburners and WHOOOM!

[Tommy]

My Ex Wifes Grandfather was part of the crew in the B36 Peacemaker. He still flies today but the plane is much smaller (Cessna 152) but has told me quite a few times about flying in the 36. I used to go to quite a few airshows but they don't come to my area as often as they used to . While stationed at Redstone Arsenal in the 80's we had local ones on base that were great but also used to go to Courtland Alabama for large airshows until the old base was sold to Lockheed Martin. Dad wanted to be a Helicopter pilot but color blind guys like him (and me) were out on that deal... I like the vids you guys are posting and it made me think of something I hadn't seen in many years. As an Army Brat coming up in the 70's and 80's watching movies in theaters all over the world I remember well standing for the National Anthem and seeing our Flag in all theaters and remember that military trailer that preceded all previews. I remember seeing AAFES on everything back then. Can anyone find a video of those old theater trailers. Even our local TV stations quit showing the patriotic films before going off the air at 1 AM (they don't go off air anymore though, stupid infomercials).

Tommy http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[47Hammer]

I love this...


http://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv

[mockingbird812]

This fella has some talent...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/P5032329.jpg

Today "MATS" is know as "AMC" or Air Mobility Command.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Sam,

That's an awesome build on the Constellation. Just wonder
why he used 2-blade props instead of the 3-blade props.....

Steve

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
I love this...


[url=http://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv]

Bart,

Great post! That is an impressive B-29 model.
The flight presentation was absolutely first class. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

The Bell X-1 rocket plane launch was fantastic as well.
I have to give the owner/polot a big http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif for the
inverted flight portion of the flight. That's a gutsy call
for a plane this large and expensive. I'd like to see this
flight in person to really appreciate it.

Steve

[ANDY M]

What he said! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
The best use of too much free time I've seen in a long time. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
I found myself applauding when the announcer called for the crowd to give him a hand. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[BARN FIND]

Drop Top Raptor

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=20396

$182,000 option

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[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
Drop Top Raptor

[/ QUOTE ]

That F-22 pilot looks like he's about 14. On a serious note, 182K for a canopy malfunction is far better than some other malfunction that could have resulted in loss of the airplane and/or pilot. In the old days (1950s especially) crashes of new fighters were common and many streets on Edwards AFB are named after dead test pilots.

[1970Ls6]

U.S.A.F. heritage flight of an f-16, an f-15, and a P-51 mustang http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[1970Ls6]

Heritage flight on the taxi-way

[1970Ls6]

Mig-17f saved from Vietnam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif and spent the last 4 years being restored http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[1970Ls6]

B-2 Stealth bomber on display. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[1970Ls6]

P-51 Mustang on a solo pass. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif The pilot is a retired Air Force General. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[SS427]

The muscle car of the skies (http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=48c5561c-7f9f-4d40-ba13-fec79b3ab232&f=00&fg=email)

I think they are a little off on their survivor count of 60 since over 100 of these with be at the "Gathering of Mustangs" in September. There are likely over 10 just in the Mpls area alone.

[ANDY M]

Follow this link, turn up the volume, start the video and expand it to full screen:
http://www.airshowbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=9fbefb47 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
For an encore, click the next video link. Old airshow promo, but will make the hair on your neck stand up. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[47Hammer]

Very cool stuff. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Gentlemen!

A moment of silence for a terrible tragedy today.

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/Picture2188.jpg

[rich p]

Just called a friend of mine to make sure it wasnt him.
He is at the show and it was his friend who died in the plane !!!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Rich!

I'm glad he wasn't your friend. So sad, but he was someones friend.

It's almost too sad to think about; the loss of a beautiful
and rare vintage fighter aircraft and the pilot too. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif
All in the name of fun.

Steve

[copo69]

It's terrible this happened. Another tragedy....I just saw where there was a crash at the Dayton Air Show today and the pilot was killed.

[Norm reynolds]

I thought the B-29 was great Till I found this

RC/F-16 jet
If you have sound this thing sounds like the real deal and once it is in the sky you foget that it is a model
found this site that sell them
this thing is real to cool http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNj0vqtMJ2Y&mode=related&search=

[Norm reynolds]

F-14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IXQVh5IbHc&mode=related&search=
these things must be a blast http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

here is more
http://www.jetsrc.com/modelos/modelos_en.htm

[Dog427435]

You are a South African bush pilot working for Blue Sky Aviation.
You fly in some critical medical supplies, enjoy a quick lunch at the hospital.

It's a stifling 112 degrees in the shade and you're eager to get back up to the cool, high blue yonder.

On the way back to your plane, you discover that the only bit of shade within 1 mile has become very popular . . You start calculating the distance to the plane door and wonder . . .



"Do I feel lucky today?"
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http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t114/dog427435/Super%20Chevy/Image.jpg

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
F-14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IXQVh5IbHc&mode=related&search=
these things must be a blast http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

here is more
http://www.jetsrc.com/modelos/modelos_en.htm

[/ QUOTE ]

Norm,

Nice link to some awesome models. I watched the video of
the RC planes that crashed. Man, some of those guys were
really shaken-up at the loss of their aircraft. I guess
it would be much like having your restored COPO go up in
flames http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

Steve

[Norm reynolds]

[ QUOTE ]
Nice link to some awesome models. I watched the video of
the RC planes that crashed. Man, some of those guys were
really shaken-up at the loss of their aircraft. I guess
it would be much like having your restored COPO go up in
flames


[/ QUOTE ]

Yes I know what you mean . I watch many video's for hours
The sound that the jet RC's make sounds like the real ones
You have to have a good skill with them ME I crash them just trying to land the thing http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

[ QUOTE ]
Gentlemen!

A moment of silence for a terrible tragedy today.



http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/Picture2188.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

I heard the terrible news on the weekend too...our thoughts and prayers to the families and friends..

Same also to the loved ones of the young Canadian Snowbird pilot who went down in May..

It's been a bad year so far for the US and Canadian Airshow groups also the Warbird community...lets hope there's no more..

Although not fighting an enemy when they went down, these pilots where none the less giving to others while doing what they loved...Godspeed and tailwinds brave lads..

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
~ Pete

[nuch_ss396]

Well said - Pete http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[427TJ]

I have a friend who flies Mustangs and he says this kind of thing is why he does not perform formation landings.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Various%20Photos/P51CrashOshkosh.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Various%20Photos/P51CrashOshkosh2.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Various%20Photos/P51CrashOshkosh3.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Various%20Photos/P51CrashOshkosh4.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Various%20Photos/P51CrashOshkosh5.jpg

[SS427]

Tragic news and the second bad news of the day.

Annie and I went to Capital Airport today to visit a B-17, B-24 and B-25 that were staying there for a few days and called my Warbird restorer/brother to let him hear the B-24 firing up (I will post pictures later) At that time he informed me of this tragidy. As it turned out I knew both pilots, Gerry Beck flying Precious Metal II and Bob Odegaards's son Casey flying Dazzling Donna. Casey survived but Gerry was killed upon impact. Anyone who knows either of these gentleman know what a tragic loss to the Warbird community that Gerry's death will bring as he was a huge asset to the P-51 family. Not a good day today. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Rick,

Does anyone know what happened to cause this crash?
Hard to believe a landing could go so badly. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Steve

[427TJ]

This is only speculation based on watching a video of the mishap.

The lead Mustang, a heavier D-model, landed on-speed and began to decelerate immediately. The wingman, a lighter A-model, was high on the approach and at the last few seconds lowered the nose to land in formation. In lowering the nose, the wingman P-51A accelerated and began to overtake the leader. The leader, with a larger four-blade prop that makes more drag in idle than the A's smaller 3-blade prop, was already decelerating at a faster rate and the A rapidly overtook the D. The A pilot may have kept his power in a split-second longer and that would have exacerbated his developing overtake problem. By the time the wingman A-model realized his overtake problem, as well as an overlap problem between his right wing and the tail of lead, it was too late to avoid collision. Note also that it appears that the wingman may have never actually touched-down fully--his airplane was flying, or at least very light on the wheels, throughout the mishap and thus the wings were still making lift, allowing the rolling of the wings during impact. The wingman's right wing impacted lead's tail, forcing the wingman's left (opposite) wing to move forward and therefore accelerate and therefore make more lift and fly upward. Up flew the A's left wing, inducing a right-roll. As the A rolled its wings toward vertical, the pilot did not input full left rudder. Note: An airplane's rudder is the last control surface to be effective in a stall or as speed decreases. The ailerons (on the wings) lose effectiveness first, then the elevators (horizontal across the tail), then the rudder is last to lose effectiveness. Full left rudder might have kept the tail down as the wings went vertical and the A-model might have stayed right-side up and merely cartwheeled and/or spun on its belly shearing-off the landing gear, etc. Unfortunately, the situation developed so fast that the pilot in the A seems to not have been able to jam in full left rudder to keep the A right-side up. The rest is obvious from the photos and from video.

Again, my friend, an experienced military and WWII fighter operator, shuddered as he watched the video of this accident. Warbird fighter pilots RARELY perform formation landings, especially in dissimilar types such as a P-51D/P-51A pairing with differing weights, differing prop drag, and thus differing rates of deceleration. Another mistake was that lead touched-down first. He thus immediately decelerated as the wingman, still airborne, dove to land and thus accelerated. Watch the Blue Angels or Snowbirds perform their formation landings and you will see that the following aircraft always lands first and the leader is the last to touch down. That way, the formation decelerates from the rear and not from the front, as we see in the Oshkosh mishap.

This is not intended to unfairly criticize a dead pilot. Such accidents can happen to anyone and they often do. Any smart pilot who hears about a crash shudders and realizes but for the grace of God...

[Norm reynolds]

This is a real lost these guys did what they did best and loved doing so so sad
I found this and I think I am hooked
http://www.jetsrc.com/videos/15smoke.wmv

[nuch_ss396]

Hey Norm!

Right behind you on that one. I think I'm hooked as well.
Think I'll build an F-14 Tomcat though http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Steve

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
This is only speculation based on watching a video of the mishap..........
Any smart pilot who hears about a crash shudders and realizes but for the grace of God...

[/ QUOTE ]

Bill,

Thanks for the thorough analysis of what happened. I guess
those of us who are non-pilots never think about things such as
"like aircraft" being a factor. As an outsider, I'm just
wondering why two seasoned pilots wouldn't take this factor
into account during a maneuver like that.

Steve

[SS427]

In between the SCR10 and Gibb shows I stayed in Springfield, IL. As stated earlier in this thread I was very excited while watching the local news to see that Capitol Airport was being blessed with a B-17, B-24 and B-25 that we laying over for a few days in between air shows. Annie and I visited for several hours looking at the planes and talking to some of the people. I was amazed at how many ex B-17, B-24 and B-25 airmen had come to the airport to see the airplanes, one local man claiming to be a turret gunner from that very same B-17 (likely same nose art but not same airframe). At any rate, we could have stayed for
many more hours if not for the heat. The B-17 and B-24 were both doing run ups while we were there but our timing over the three days was never on and missed all the departure and arrivals. I came VERY close to buying a seat on the plane as that opportunity does not present itself very often and at $425 that was a pretty cheap seat in my opinion.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n300/ricknelson427/tn_IMG_1487.jpg

[SS427]

Nose art on the B-17.


http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n300/ricknelson427/IMG_1494.jpg

[SS427]

This is the B-24. I was very disappointed to find out that this used to be the "Dragon and His Tail" paint scheme but was recently painted. That scheme was stunning compared to this one with all due respect to all the signitures on this plane and it's tribute.


http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n300/ricknelson427/tn_IMG_1488.jpg

[SS427]

And finally the B-25.


http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n300/ricknelson427/IMG_1501.jpg

[Xplantdad]

Very cool pics Rick! Reminds me of some of the planes in the Tucson area.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[SS427]

Look for my brothers F-105 with the tail number "427" in that museum next time you go there. That was the plane he was assigned to while serving in Korat, Thailand. Quite a touching story when he and I went there for the very first time before he knew it was there. Tough to see a grown man fall to his knees in tears.....I had remembered him telling me about this "427" plane when I was a kid in the early 70's as he and I had always had a special place for 427 cars so it was very fitting.


http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n300/ricknelson427/JeffsF105.jpg

[Xplantdad]

How cool is that? I will look for it the next time I am there http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[ANDY M]

The Gathering of Mustangs and Legends is only 6 weeks away.
If you want to see the Mustangs that will be flying in for the show, click this link:
http://www.gml2007.com/p51plane-name.asp
There is a picture of every P-51 that will be in attendance, just click on the name of the plane.
Hope you can make it.

[copo69]

Andy, Gonna be there as well as Jeg's Sport Nat's at National Trail that weekend too. It's my birthday too. Well two outa three ain't bad.

[SS427]

Just an update. I was just sent this video of the crash.
P-51 crash (http://www.aero-tv.net/index.cfm?videoid=00b0d640-e714-4b79-b17b-6f3b0f149c4d)

It concerns me as many in the Warbird community have said that these two would not do a formation landing especially with disimiliar aircraft, however the video appears to me that was what they were doing. Some also think it could have been prop wash and/or a blind spot. If indeed there was a blind spot (which there would have been in Gerry's case) it surprises me he did not shoot a go around. Whatever the case, both these men are/were seasoned pilots and would never have put either in harms way intentionally. I will wait patiently until the NTSB figures out what went wrong. Regadless, it was still an accident.

Also, I stated earlier the D-model involved in the crash was "Dazzling Donna". It was in fact Dazzling Donna but painted up as "Stang" for an upcoming movie titled "Thunder Over Reno". I am not sure that the filming was completed prior to the crash as both planes are in the movie.

Regardless, it will be a great tribute, and I am sure dedicated to someone very special in the P-51 community. Gerry was instrumental as was Bob Odegard in the initial restoration of the P-51C Red Tail that I also helped restore as well as the re-restoration after engine failure/crash that took the life of a good friend Don Hinz.

[427TJ]

The latest explanation I have heard is that they were performing individual landings after flying a five-ship formation for a photo shoot. The lead aircraft, a Sea Fury, led the formation overhead the runway and each aircraft performed a "pitch-out" for spacing prior to landing one by one. The lead aircraft landed on "brick one," meaning the first part of the runway, forcing the second airplane, an F2G Corsair, to go-around due to insufficient spacing on the runway. (The leader was supposed to land farther down to provide spacing for the number two airplane, etc.) So the number two plane goes around and the number three, the yellow-nosed P-51D, lands. The mishap green-winged P-51A performed his final turn and apparently had lost sight of the preceding airplane, the P-51D, and had come very close to the 51D making it look like a formation landing. It seems that the mishap P-51A finally regained sight of the preceding 51D as he flared for landing. He may have tried to add power for a go-around but did not have room as he impacted the 51D's tail.

[nuch_ss396]

OK - This is one of my all time favorite USAF bombers.

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/b58Bendix.jpg

It's the Convair B-58 Hustler. Our first mach 2 bomber! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Nuch

[nuch_ss396]

More B-58's:

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/B58-flying.jpg
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/B58-afterburners.jpg
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/B58-26.jpg
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/08big.jpg

Nuch

[nuch_ss396]

B-58 fly-by! Watch the crowds physical reaction as it passes. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

B-58 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZToDL9vjLw)

[47Hammer]

[ QUOTE ]
More B-58's:

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/B58-flying.jpg
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/B58-afterburners.jpg
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/B58-26.jpg
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/08big.jpg

Nuch

[/ QUOTE ]

If I remember this was the bomber from the movie Fail Safe. Great looking aircraft. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Yeah - it was the "Supercar" of the SAC bomber fleet. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Nuch

[47Hammer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5irgllAE_l4&NR=1

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
OK - This is one of my all time favorite USAF bombers.

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/nuch_ss396/misc/b58Bendix.jpg

It's the Convair B-58 Hustler. Our first mach 2 bomber! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Nuch

[/ QUOTE ]

One of the great names too: "Hustler." John Denver's father (real name Dutchendorf) set at least one speed record in a B-58 and later flew his son's Learjet.

[ANDY M]

In the movie "Failsafe", the bombers are refered to as "Vindicators". The B-58 Hustler is an American aircraft. The Vindicator is a British plane, like the one in the James Bond movie "Thunderball".
I wondered back then why the discrepency. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Andy,

Honestly, who else knew the difference before the age of
cable TV & the internet...... Only geeks like us I guess. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Bill,

About John Denver's father - I saw that a man with that last
name did set a speed record in the B-58, but I just didn't
make the connection. How in the world did you? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Nuch

[427TJ]

Just one of those little bits of information I learned over the years.

By the way, the British jet bomber used in "Thunderball" was the Avro Vulcan.

As for the name Vindicator, the real Vindicator was a US Navy late 1930s-early WWII single-engined dive-bomber similar in appearance to the Douglas SBD. The Vindicator saw use at Midway in June 1942 but was already obsolete.

[Late BrakeU2]

[ QUOTE ]
Closer look at the C-17 I posted pics of http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/Planes/C17b.jpg

This 1/9th scale radio-controlled C-17 model was built in the United Kingdom. To date it has about 20 flights. It was built as the centerpiece of a 15 program television series produced in the U.K. for the Home and Leisure satellite TV channel. Built with the aid of three friends, it took one year to build and is powered with 4 Jetcat P-120 turbines with a total thrust of 108 lbs. The models weighs over 250 lbs fuelled, and carries 12.5 liters (3.3 US gallons) of 95% kerosene and 5% turbine oil fuel. Ot! her det ails include 5 Futaba PCM receivers, 16 battery packs (93 cells), 20 Futaba servos, on board air compressor, electro/pneumatic retracts, etc. Wingspan is 20 feet 8 inches, and the top of the fin is 74 inches (6 feet 2 inches) above the ground. Takeoff weight is 264 lbs. The rear cargo doors open and they drop an r/c jeep on a pallet, as well as 2 free-fall r/c parachutists. The model also has smoke systems both of the inboard turbines, and uses 2.4 GHz data link to provide real-time data to a laptop computer on the ground while in flight, this data includes airspeed, turbine RPM, EGT, fuel consumption, etc. It is covered in fiberglass and epoxy resin. Built mainly from balsa and ply, with many glass and carbon fiber moldings to reduce weight. This C-17 Globemaster III is one of the largest jet models in the world today! Complete with retractable landing gear and pneumatically operated flaps

[/ QUOTE ]

My sentimental fave-B29 "Dina might"
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/804337/worlds_largest_model_rc_plane/

4 160cc rotax engines-sounds like it is optioned with NC8 too http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

It's scary how close the pitch is on approach to the real one..we used to be into the RC planes pretty heavy back in the day,but never had one that needed one guy working a futaba on throttle and the other flaps http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[ANDY M]

Bill, thank you for setting me straight. I just blame the meds for the holes in my memory. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif
I still don't know why it's called a Vindicator in the movie, though. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[JChlupsa]

OK so someone tell me what this is and whats its out of http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/P9073181.jpg

[ANDY M]

JATO from a B-47? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[JChlupsa]

Nope http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
JATO from a B-47? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Here's what a JATO takeoff of a B-47 looked like.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Y-Net%20Photos/JATO.jpg

JATO = Jet Assisted Take Off. The 47 would accelerate up to about 100 knots, fire the aft-mounted JATO system, and lift-off into a steep (for those days) initial climb. The JATO system expired at about 2000 feet altitude and the bomber continued under its own power. The JATO system helped the B-47 get off the ground at high gross weights or from short runways. I think the Boeing B-47 was the only operational USAF aircraft to use the JATO system. Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

[L89DRMR]

X-1 Rocket Engine?

Dave

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
OK so someone tell me what this is and whats its out of http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/P9073181.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

I know Jeff! That is the insides of my new Electrolux vacuum http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Nuch

[nuch_ss396]

If there are four thrust nozzles there, I would have to guess
that it is out of an early X-plane varient. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Nuch

[Xplantdad]

SR-71 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[kwhizz]

Commando Cody's Jet Pack with out the Cover... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Xplantdad]

Or...the actual jet thruster from the "Thunderbirds"

http://www.reelfilm.com/images/tbird6.jpg

With Lady Penelope...of course!

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/10/12n_ladypenelope_narrowweb__200x262.jpg


Okay Jeff...what do I win? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[JChlupsa]

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/P9073182.JPG

[JChlupsa]

Hickam has some visitors over the weekend to celebrate its 60th ANV..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/TB17Small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/P9133573.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/nice2Small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/TB1Small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/TB19Small.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/TB30Small.jpg

[JChlupsa]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/TB46Small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/DSC00112Small.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/HawaiianCamaro/DSC00123Small.jpg

[Xplantdad]

Cool pics of the "other" Thunderbirds! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
X-1 Rocket Engine?

Dave

[/ QUOTE ]

Looks like you nailed it Dave! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[L89DRMR]

Thanks! Once I saw the number of chambers, I remembered back to when I read Yeager's book a few years ago.

Dave

[nuch_ss396]

I have this problem with Hornets around my house http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

F-18 Hornets that is http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hornet buzzing around (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH1toLFQ9Ws)

Nuch

[nuch_ss396]

This one will wake you up http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Wake up pass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqdbCGzmCfg)

Nuch

[nuch_ss396]

This one will make you cry!

B-52 crash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVaAVN94sTs)

The ultimate sacrifice..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Nuch

[mockingbird812]

[ QUOTE ]
This one will make you cry!

B-52 crash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVaAVN94sTs)

The ultimate sacrifice..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif


Nuch

[/ QUOTE ]

This mishap is sad on so many different levels. Foremost, it was a COMPLETELY avoidable event. Pilot was a known flat-hatter and supervisors never came down on him hard enough - just passed the problem-child along to the next supervisor. He was an accident waiting to happen. Very strong indicators prior to mishap that he should have been boarded out. Flat-hatting in a single seat aircraft is taboo. Doing it in a multi-place aircraft is inexcusable. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif

[Belair62]

Oh man....

[nuch_ss396]

Sam - what's a flat-hatter?

Nuch

[mockingbird812]

[ QUOTE ]
Sam - what's a flat-hatter?

Nuch

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry Nuch, it is a show off. In the military it is a loose cannon, a non professional aviator.

[Belair62]

My place up in Wisconsin is due south of the Hardwood Air to Ground Missle range. ANG train up there every weekend. They come in at near treetop...so friggin cool and each and every time I hear one I still run out with my son to look. We visit the range several time in the summer...one of the wildest sounds I have ever heard was the gun practice of an A-10 Warthog...indescribable.They still use live ammunition on gun and small smoke bombs on their bomb runs...

[Xplantdad]

It's crazy on the B52 crash video...after the plane crashes...you can still hear the engines racing...just for a second.

Too bad http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Sam - what's a flat-hatter?

Nuch

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry Nuch, it is a show off. In the military it is a loose cannon, a non professional aviator.

[/ QUOTE ]

More specifically, a show-off who flies his aircraft so low over the assembled brass and dignitaries at the change-of-command parade that their hats get flattened.

[Ngtflyr]

His squadron commander chose not to ground the guy, he decided to fly with him to ensure nothing like this happened and died as a result of his decision. The really sad part is that the Sq CC's wife and kids witnessed the crash.

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
It's crazy on the B52 crash video...after the plane crashes...you can still hear the engines racing...just for a second.

Too bad http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

The pilot of that B-52, the loose cannon who could not be controlled, was so dangerous that it was getting so that nobody in his squadron would fly with him. For the airshow demo practice the squadron commander flew right seat for this guy and two more senior officers rode in two other positions on the airplane. The crash occurred because the pilot pulled the airplane up into a fighter-style pitch-up after a low pass. He leveled the airplane on downwind, opposite the direction of landing, but he had run the airplane out of airspeed during this maneuver and the B-52 immediately stalled and began to enter a left spin when it impacted. If you look closely you can see the (squadron commander) copilot's ejection system beginning it's sequence as his cockpit election hatch leaves the airplane over the copilot's seat. Sadly, his seat fired as the airplane hit the ground and he did not clear the fireball. The squadron commander, who had tried to get this guy grounded, had his own family there to watch the demonstration practice and they saw the whole thing.

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
His squadron commander chose not to ground the guy

[/ QUOTE ]

Because the mishap pilot had friends in high places and was close to retirement. The squadron commander could not ground him without suffering a career setback himself so he chose to go along and get along. It was all wink-and-nod stuff and career political BS and it got three good men and one idiot killed.

[nuch_ss396]

You know Bill, no one ever thinks that playing politics can
cost someone the ultimate sacrifice. Hell of a price to pay.

Nuch

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
You know Bill, no one ever thinks that playing politics can
cost someone the ultimate sacrifice. Hell of a price to pay.

Nuch

[/ QUOTE ]

You can bet your last dollar that there was one hell of an ass-covering scramble as the investigators discovered all the cover-ups by higher-ups that kept that hot-dogging B-52 pilot on flight status. More than one career was terminated over this crash because of all the buddy-buddy back-slapping by the mishap pilot's higher-ranking pals. About the only consolation that came out of the B-52 crash was that a few of those officers, the ones who over-ruled the squadron commander's desire to ground the mishap pilot, had their own careers ended.

[Belair62]

how did the pilot screw up in that crash?

[Ngtflyr]

One other good thing to come out of it was that thru the use of this example it was beaten into the rest of us that "hotdogging" would not be tolerated, no matter how good or how many friends you had in high places.

Just goes to show you, there are bold pilots and there are old pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.

[47Hammer]

He thought he was Sierra Hotel.

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
Just goes to show you, there are bold pilots and there are old pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.

[/ QUOTE ]

Dave: Fuc*in'-A Bubba! (As the Gus Grissom character said in the movie "The Right Stuff.")

Belair: The B-52 pilot flew the airplane far too aggressively, as you might have already realized. His last pass down the runway was to be flown as a fighter-type pitch-up maneuver of the kind flown by the Thunderbirds or Blue Angels as they approach the field for landing. The B-52 can do that but not nearly as aggressively. So the B-52 guy wracked the airplane into a very aggressive climbing u-turn (the pitch-up maneuver) putting enough G on the airframe to bleed-off almost all of the airspeed but for a few knots. When he rolled-out on downwind--the opposite direction--and at about 1500 feet, the airplane was all out of airspeed. He had used his energy (the airspeed) in the aggressive pitch-up and it was then too slow to maintain level flight upon completion of the maneuver. He rolled wings-level and pulled back on the control yoke to hold the nose (the whole airplane, that is) level but there wasn't enough forward airspeed for the airplane to maintain level flight. He kept holding the nose up and it quickly entered a basic stall condition. Stalls often develop into spins as one or the other wing loses lift and drops, and that's why the B-52 rolls left (it could have gone right just as easily) in the video. Not enough airspeed means not enough lift being made by the wing which means the B-52 became a huge dead weight at the end of that pitch-up maneuver and just fell out of the sky.

So as Dave pointed out, there really are no old, bold pilots. ("Bold" in these cases means stupid, not brave or appropriately aggressive as in wartime or in a Thunderbirds or Blue Angels display.)

[Belair62]

Thanks Teej...you would "think" even a hotdogger would understand basic stuff like lift and stall.

[427TJ]

You know Belair, it's usually the hot-doggers who (often willfully) forget/ignore the basics first. They're too busy being cool and macho for their buddies and then KABOOOM and it's all over. It'll happen again.

[Ngtflyr]

check out this video: Near Miss (http://www.break.com/index/in-air-near-miss-causes-crash.html)

[nuch_ss396]

WOW! That ought to http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif the ba-jesus out of you.

Nuch

[Ngtflyr]

I've had a few birdstrikes in my day. Ones at night are best because you don't see it coming usually. The one below musta got their attention.

Date: 10/03/2007 1240 CD

Program: Eaglemed
6601 West Pueblo
Wichita, KS

Type: AS350
Tail #: N917EM

Weather: Clear. Not a factor

Team: No injuries reported. No patient.

Description:
Bird Strike

Additional Info:
6' Turkey Buzzard made 2 foot by 1 foot hole in nose of aircraft.
Feathers did enter cabin, no injuries, all crew wearing helmets.

Birdstrike (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/ngtflyr/?action=view&current=Birdstrike.jpg)

[Ngtflyr]

Of course it could be worse:

Buzzard takes down 206 (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/ngtflyr/?action=view&current=birdstrike2.jpg)
Buzzard 1 Helo 0 (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/ngtflyr/?action=view&current=Birdstrike3.jpg)

[sixbrl440]

[ QUOTE ]
how did the pilot screw up in that crash?

[/ QUOTE ]

Ran out of altitude and airspeed at the same time.

[nuch_ss396]

Here's one from the experimental category. This is the XB-70
Valkryie program. A multi-mach bomber project. A few
things of note here are the articulating main landing gear,
movable wing tips amd six engines. This particular plane
later crashed and sadly killed it's pilots. If you look
closely as the Valkryie is landing, you will see a B-58 Hustler
chase plane http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif. Also, if memory serves me correctly,
the plane flexed so buch during sustained mach flight that
the white paint peeled off. You can see the missing paint
in the final shots of the video.

Steve

XB-70 Valkryie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZvEc7vvBe8&NR=1)

[427TJ]

A neat airplane doomed by the advancement in Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) development. That, plus its incredible appetite for fuel. The crash occurred when test pilot Joe Walker got too close to the XB-70s down-turned wingtips and his F-104 entered the XB's wingtip vorticies. The F-104 quickly rolled across the top of the XB-70, knocking off most of the XB's two vertical fins and then the F-104 fell away in flames, killing Walker. The XB flew on for a short time until it finally went out of control. One pilot safely ejected (Al White) but the copilot's (Carl Cross) ejection capsule malfunctioned, trapping him inside the falling XB-70 and he died on impact. The remaining XB-70 (there were only two) is on display at the USAF Museum.

[nuch_ss396]

Bill,

The USAF Museum is one of the places I hope to visit one day.
Tons of neat stuff there.......

Steve

[nuch_ss396]

Bill,

There was a very informative cable series on several years ago called WINGS.
I think it was on The Discovery Channel at the time. I haven't seen it for some
time, but I was always impressed with the breath of information and
detailed manufacturing and in-flight footage they gathered.
Do you know the where-abouts of this series?

Steve

[427TJ]

They still play Wings on the Discovery Wings channel. The early episodes with the British narration are getting rare and the XB-70 was one of those episodes. I saw it in 1988 but not since. Here's a Googled photo of the ill-fated XB-70 just before the collision. Joe Walker's orange-tailed F-104 is on the B-70's right wing and you can see Walker getting in close to the right wing of the XB. Walker, a highly-experienced test pilot to include flights in the X-15, surely knew about wingtip vorticies (basically horizontal tornadoes that trail aft from the wingtip of every aircraft) but he may have underestimated the strength of the massive XB-70's wingtip vorticies.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Y-Net%20Photos/XB70.jpg

[JRSully]

That thing looks like a praying mantis

[427TJ]

Here's a link to a series of photos of the collision and then the spin/crash of the XB-70. Text is French but the photos tell the story.

http://www.xb70.free.fr/mono/Texte/crash/crash.htm

[nuch_ss396]

[ QUOTE ]
That thing looks like a praying mantis

[/ QUOTE ]

Good eye! I think that was the intent http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif Scare the
hell out of the prey ( Russians in this case ).

BTW Bill, I would have thought that at mach 3+ this B-70
would have been able to outrun SAMs. I know that the SR-71
can outrun them, but that is reported to run faster than
mach 4. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Steve

[427TJ]

I think the difference was that the XB-70 was only able to sustain high Mach numbers for relatively short periods whereas the SR-71 could do so for longer periods. Also, by the time the XB-70 first flew, ICBMs had taken over the prominent role in the U.S. Strategic Integrated Operations Plan (SIOP) and thus the XB-70 was basically obsolete as it rolled out the factory doors. Just as with the battleships of the U.S. Navy, the idea of the XB-70 was overtaken by technology, at least as far as the Cold War was concerned. Battleships did have one last hurrah during the 1991 Gulf War as they lobbed "Volkswagens" (WWII-era 2,000 pound cannon shells) into Kuwait but otherwise they were long out of date. Perhaps the XB-70, had it been in use in 1991, could also have pummeled the Iraqi Republican Guard, free from the threat of Iraqi SAMs and interceptors.

[nuch_ss396]

I can't imagine the incredibly sick feeling that must ensue
following the destruction of such an expensive development
aircraft like the XB-70. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif If memory serves me right, I
believe that the XB-70 that crashed was actually the later
design varient ( articulating wings ). Makes you wonder
how a company could absorb such a loss. To put it in context,
how would an automaker today deal with an auto development
project that ended in failure? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Nuch

[njsteve]

PONTIAC AZTEK! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Chris_69_SS]

O.k., a little self indulgent but what the heck.....me in the back of a Learjet 40XR on my way to Sharm El Sheikh.
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h239/Chris_69_SS/n815724277_133090_4568.jpg

[Xplantdad]

Nice Chris... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[47Hammer]

I thought this was great, sorry if it's been posted before.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif


http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/swf/blueangels/blueangels.swf

[Dog427435]

Following is from the former F-111 commander for the Aussie Air Force regarding the F-111 gear-up landing.
He was also an exchange pilot with the USAF in the RF-4C, circa 1975-78.



One main wheel fell off at lift-off. The tower notified the crew who had not noticed any difference. Not a
situation that is covered in the books. They flew around for 4hrs, burning off fuel and deciding on a plan.
Alternatives being jump out over the sea, or make an attempt to get it down in one piece. They worked out
a plan that if the pilot was losing control during the landing the nav would punch them out. They had IPs trying different solutions in the sim. Finally they flew the approach at about 1.5 metres off the ground for a few
hundred metres with the gear up and the hook dragging along the ground. They engaged the app end cable,
put her down perfectly with an understandable bump but no injuries, came to a fairly quick halt, and fairly
calmly egressed the cockpit.

The pilot was a Flying Officer(=LT)just off transition training and he performed to perfection. The nav was
a 29 year old Flight Lieutenant (=Capt) who also performed to perfection.

Prelim investigation shows most likely cause was a wrongly fitted locking pin on the big nut
that holds the wheel on. FAAAK! They found another 3 jets with the same problem!!

Both lads were as calm as on a Sunday stroll, and credited the success to the superb training that the RAAF
gives all of its crews. IF they do not get a gong of some sort their CO needs sacking.

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http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t114/dog427435/Super%20Chevy/f5.jpg
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http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t114/dog427435/Super%20Chevy/f3.jpg

[nuch_ss396]

Nothing takes the place of good training - especially in times such at this......

Nuch

[mockingbird812]

Nicely done. Very professional!

Dog-when did this occur?

[Dog427435]

This occurred July of last year at Amberley RAAF Base, west of Brisbane.
The FO Peter Komar, had only 70 hours flying experience and graduated from the F-111 training course only two weeks before. Most of his jet flying time was in a Hawk trainer.

[kwhizz]

Pretty Cool Runway Shots...........

http://discussions.flightaware.com/viewtopic.php?t=4001&sid=d71b52898ddbe2f7de8443cbe 7e0c882

Ken

[Ngtflyr]

This U.S. Air Force C-130 was flying near Tacoma, Washington - when it collided with an bald eagle.
The pilot got splattered with blood. The C-130 and eagle landed together, but only the C-130 was still alive.
The plane commander requested a change of pants!-The last pic probably should be captioned-" you gotta be sh**ing me"!!!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/ngtflyr/C-130birdstike1.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/ngtflyr/C-130birdstrike2.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/ngtflyr/C-130birdstrike3.jpg

[Motion Camaro]

<font color="blue">"The Eagle has landed" will be a new picture in my head from now on. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif </font>

[njsteve]

Hey, I bet he gets credit for one air to air combat kill. I want to see what they paint on the side of his plane now.

You know that bird is definitely going to be mounted and hung above the bar at the officers club.

[Dog427435]

Now this is really neat, never saw anything like it before ...........

click the link, then you can click each of, or any of, the planes
to see their cockpit area..............fascinating.

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/test/archives/2007/articles/jan_07/cockpits/cockpits.html

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
see their cockpit area..............fascinating.

[/ QUOTE ]

And contrary to what airline management would like you to think, NO, airplanes do not "fly themselves."

Sit back, relax, and enjoy your flight!

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
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see their cockpit area..............fascinating.

[/ QUOTE ]

And contrary to what airline management would like you to think, NO, airplanes do not "fly themselves."

Sit back, relax, and enjoy your flight!

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey now...that's not what you told me.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[budnate]

nice find http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[427TJ]

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see their cockpit area..............fascinating.

[/ QUOTE ]

And contrary to what airline management would like you to think, NO, airplanes do not "fly themselves."

Sit back, relax, and enjoy your flight!

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey now...that's not what you told me.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Uh-oh, I forgot what I told you!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Xplantdad]

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see their cockpit area..............fascinating.

[/ QUOTE ]

And contrary to what airline management would like you to think, NO, airplanes do not "fly themselves."

Sit back, relax, and enjoy your flight!

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey now...that's not what you told me.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Uh-oh, I forgot what I told you!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


That's okay...the "secret" is safe with me... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Fast67VelleN2O]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311724,00.html

[njsteve]

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311724,00.html

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Here's a CNN link with photo of the actual plane on the beach:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/14/britain.ww2.plane.ap/index.html

Now we can go from "Glacier Girl" to "Surfer Girl" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[kwhizz]

Ouch!!...........Check this out........

http://discussions.flightaware.com/viewtopic.php?t=4363&amp;sid=11a7a594ce4553d25e0d6516e ccc1e54

Ken

[Xplantdad]

Me thinks someone is in a bit of trouble? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[kwhizz]

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Me thinks someone is in a bit of trouble? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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I had they had "Proof" of Insurance......LOL http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Judgeinator]

I found this picture by all of my old flight books in the basement. This is a Gee Bee R-1 which was flown by many daredevil pilots for the Thompson Trophy. One of these pilots was the famed Jimmy Doolittle of the Doolittle Raid on Japan in 1942. This plane was the fastest plane in 1932, flying at a speed of 476 KPH. It must have been amazing to fly...
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m200/DaJudgeinator/GeeBeewatermarked.jpg

[nuch_ss396]

Talk about an engine with wings..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Nuch

[427TJ]

Delmar Benjamin built an exact replica of the Gee Bee (Granville Brothers) and disproved all the myths about how dangerous the airplane was. The Gee Bee was a very hot ship for its day and men like Doolittle mastered it only through careful piloting and experience. Benjamin proved that the Gee Bee, like any airplane, is only as dangerous as the experience level of its pilot. If you were lucky enough to see Benjamin's aerial demonstration with his replica Gee Bee then you know that it suffered decades of misunderstanding by the myth-makers. You might try YouTube to see if someone posted any of Benjamin's Gee Bee performances--they are spectacular.

[kwhizz]

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Me thinks someone is in a bit of trouble? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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I had they had "Proof" of Insurance......LOL http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

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It was supposed to say "I HOPE they had proof of Insurance".............Duhhhhhhh!!!

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stupid.gif

[427TJ]

Got this from a pilot buddy. Caption said that this happened at an airshow in KS in 1990. The pilot misjudged his altitude as he came down the back side of a loop and saw that ground impact was imminent. Looks like he dropped the wing flaps as he pulled hard on the stick to avoid ground impact and almost certain death. Tail supposedly dug a 12-inch furrow on the field. Aircraft is a surplus Russian/Soviet MiG-17, one of two MiG types that gave American pilots fits over Vietnam, the other being the MiG-21. (The earlier, non-afterburning MiG-15 fought in Korea in 1950-53.)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Y-Net%20Photos/MiG-17tail-dragcrop.jpg

[47Hammer]

Wow! The pucker factor must have been at an all time high there, "10" pushing cloth! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[427TJ]

Yes Bart, that is a perfect example of a VERY HIGH pucker factor. Realize too that in the photo the jet is traveling parallel to the ground. The pilot has pulled hard aft on the stick and the jet's angle of attack (angle of the wing to the line of movement, parallel to the airfield surface in this shot) is very high. If he had anything in his bowels and bladder it undoubtedly made a hurried exit into his flight suit during this maneuver/recovery. He is what pilots call a "lucky bastard."

[ANDY M]

Roger that!

[m22mike]

F22 Raptor Video

http://www.f22-raptor.com/media/video_gallery/videos/F22_AirShow_Langley.wmv

[Xplantdad]

I think the same type of event happened at El Toro a bunch of years back during the air show that they had annually... the pilot plowed into the ground after a low altitude loop...but wansn't killed? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[427TJ]

Yes, that same thing happened. It was an F-18 Hornet and the pilot attempted a low-altitude loop and ran out of room. He too pulled very hard on the stick but got the jet into a "high alpha" condition (nose very high in relation to the direction of movement) and the jet slammed into the runway. It hit hard and spun (360s) and came to a stop without exploding. The pilot was injured (back injuries from compression) and was in the hospital for awhile but survived. There might be video on YouTube. It happened at MCAS El Toro.

[Xplantdad]

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Yes, that same thing happened. It was an F-18 Hornet and the pilot attempted a low-altitude loop and ran out of room. He too pulled very hard on the stick but got the jet into a "high alpha" condition (nose very high in relation to the direction of movement) and the jet slammed into the runway. It hit hard and spun (360s) and came to a stop without exploding. The pilot was injured (back injuries from compression) and was in the hospital for awhile but survived. There might be video on YouTube. It happened at MCAS El Toro.

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That be the one. We were there that Friday, Saturday and Sunday. If I remember right the accident occured during the Sunday show...

[mockingbird812]

[ QUOTE ]
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Yes, that same thing happened. It was an F-18 Hornet and the pilot attempted a low-altitude loop and ran out of room. He too pulled very hard on the stick but got the jet into a "high alpha" condition (nose very high in relation to the direction of movement) and the jet slammed into the runway. It hit hard and spun (360s) and came to a stop without exploding. The pilot was injured (back injuries from compression) and was in the hospital for awhile but survived. There might be video on YouTube. It happened at MCAS El Toro.

[/ QUOTE ]

That be the one. We were there that Friday, Saturday and Sunday. If I remember right the accident occured during the Sunday show...

[/ QUOTE ]

Bird Colonel at the controls. Event was considered flat-hatting and he got in a heap of trouble over it. Miraculous that he survived. Sustained very serious injuries though http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif . Saw the video in Aviation Safety School as a case study way back when.

[BARN FIND]

[ QUOTE ]
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see their cockpit area..............fascinating.

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And contrary to what airline management would like you to think, NO, airplanes do not "fly themselves."

Sit back, relax, and enjoy your flight!

[/ QUOTE ]

Look Mom no hands!!!

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/Barnfind/MomBMSnightrace123.jpg

[Dog427435]

Look Mom no hands!!!


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t114/dog427435/Super%20Chevy/Airplane5B15D.jpg


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[Woj]

That has got to be one of the funniest aviation photos going. My understanding is that is a father/son flight crew picture from United Airlines. Looks like a DC-8 cockpit.

The other good one is of the little kid hanging on to the windshield wiper of a 737 on "take your kid to school day". I'd post it if I had it.

Phil Woj.

[427TJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vJliayH6co&amp;feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia2OE2Amvj0&amp;feature=related

[Ngtflyr]

This one? http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/ngtflyr/forumoriginal.jpg

[1967 Impala]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u52/1967l72427/pilots20air20force.jpg

All girl kc 135 flight crew ....flew a mission over afgahnastan.I do belive that it was a few years ago now.

[nuch_ss396]

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http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u52/1967l72427/pilots20air20force.jpg

All girl kc 135 flight crew ....flew a mission over afgahnastan.I do belive that it was a few years ago now.

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Now here's a recruiting poster if ever I saw one http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Come fly the friendly skies of your United States Air Force http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Nuch

[427TJ]

I was in the Air Force for nine and a half years, flew the '135 for five of those years, and one good-looking female was a rarity, let alone four. Photo is just another PR move by some craven PR officer. Not that women can't do the job, just that that photo is total PR fluff.

On a related note, when I upgraded to the left seat of the '135 the schedulers thought it would be funny to assign me a copilot named Tim Bush and a navigator named Pat Poon. It was Eaton/Bush/Poon on all of our paperwork as well as on the scheduling board. We were famous base-wide and even the female squadron personnel thought it was funny.

[nuch_ss396]

Hey Bill - THANKS! You ruined it for me...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Upon closer inspection, I don't think those girls can even see over the dashboard http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Steve

[Ngtflyr]

I think I first saw that pic about 4 years ago. Definitely a PR or scheduling officer setup. I was chief of scheduling for a couple years and sometimes you would get bored and you would put guys together who couldn't stand each other just to see what might happen.

[L-79 Nova]

A few Blue Angels pics sent to me. Ron...

http://home.comcast.net:80/~bzee1a/

[nuch_ss396]

Ron,

Thanks for posting all those images. Some of them were awesome! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Great to see the F-4 Phantom still flying. Probably the loudest
jet fighter of the modern era. Also great to see the Skyraider
presentations with armament. Great stuff! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Steve

[47Hammer]

Dude....Are you kidding?? Those are awesome photographs and that had to have been an incredible show to see over the water like that. Great job man, thanks for posting! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Dave Rifkin]

It's nice to know that our nuclear power stations would survive an F4 Phantom attack.........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--_RGM4Abv8

[Dog427435]

Airbus Wall Penetration Test

The wall won.



This is what happens when you run up the engines on an A340-600, knock off the handbrake by accident and jump the chocks ! This was a brand new airplane undergoing engine tests at Toulouse prior to delivery a week or so ago. I understand that there were 6 injuries but they were not serious.
A spokesman for the airline said those hurt belonged to a firm contracted to test the plane before delivery.

[b] I'll bet orders for that company are at an all time low!!

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[427TJ]

They might be able to fix it but they're never the same after going over a wall.

[kwhizz]

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They might be able to fix it but they're never the same after going over a wall.

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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[kwhizz]

Found this link on Team Chevelle......Lot's of Pic's

http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1b/

Dial up beware

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[47Hammer]

Great pics Ken, This stuff is always fun to check out. Thanks for posting! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Ngtflyr]

This is old, not sure if it's been posted already but worth watching anyway. Tough, American built aircraft, great airmanship by the Israeli pilot. I've had Israeli pilots fly with me and I've flown their aircraft, one told me we (Special Ops) were crazy, I took it as a compliment.

F-15 landing minus one wing (http://www.sonnyradio.com/F15.wmv)

[m22mike]

The older aviation crowd may have seen this before.
It was a test crash http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif of a Lockheed Super Connie L1649 ? In Deer Valley AZ. In 1964.
It was something to do with fuel tests, maybe gel fuel.
Watch it several times, look for the two telephone poles used to cut into the wings. There is also a bunker that takes out the landing gear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMjIVCgRIcg&amp;feature=related

Mike

[427TJ]

Good eye Mike, that is indeed an L-1649 "Starliner" Constellation. The 1649 model, an outgrowth of the earlier L-1049 "Super G" Constellation, had longer wings which moved the engines farther out and quieted down the cabin. Larger diameter, slower turning propellers and larger spinners too. The 1649 was the ultimate piston-engined airliner but the jet age, well underway when TWA took delivery of its 1649s in 1957, had already rendered it obsolete. The Douglas DC-7C was its main competition at the end of the piston-engined airliner era.

Here's a great head-on shot of a TWA "Jetstream" 1649A on short-final to the south complex at Los Angeles in the late 1950s.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Various%20Photos/1649-1.jpg

And another "Tee-Dub" 1649 comes over the fence at LAX. Note the wider-stance main landing gear and the big props and spinners.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Various%20Photos/1649-2.jpg

[mockingbird812]

Nice shots Bill. Good info. Those were the days! Wonder if they served decent food in those days?

[Motion Camaro]

<font color="blue">Here are some beautiful pics that were emailed to me. Quality photgraphy, enjoy. </font>

http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1a/DSC_7079.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1a/DSC_7523.jpg

These two birds were great .... but ....

http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1a/DSC_7637.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1a/DSC_7903.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1b/DSb_9983.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1b/DSC_0559.jpg

<font color="blue">THESE ARE SPECTACULAR!!!
photgrapher: Bernard Zee http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Click the picture below to see all these great photos.</font>

http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1b/nellis07.jpg (http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1a/)

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
This is old, not sure if it's been posted already but worth watching anyway. Tough, American built aircraft, great airmanship by the Israeli pilot. I've had Israeli pilots fly with me and I've flown their aircraft, one told me we (Special Ops) were crazy, I took it as a compliment.

F-15 landing minus one wing (http://www.sonnyradio.com/F15.wmv)

[/ QUOTE ]

That is amazing!


BTW, the deer valley landing of that "old" plane...is it now the current site of Deer Valley airport? It sure looks familiar...as I live about 5 miles from there.

[427TJ]

[ QUOTE ]
Nice shots Bill. Good info. Those were the days! Wonder if they served decent food in those days?

[/ QUOTE ]

Better food than today and with real plates and cutlery. First Class was in the rear of the piston airliners since the engine and propeller noise was louder up front, just the reverse of the jets.

[ANDY M]

Bill, no restaurant ever advertised "Food just like you'd get on TWA". http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[427TJ]

I guess you're right! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[L-79 Nova]

Great pictures, Ron....

http://www.pacom.mil:80/exercises/vs2006/imagery060619e.shtml

[kwhizz]

Crash caught on tape.........

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ade_1198119272

Ken

[427TJ]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Y-Net%20Photos/OrvilleWrightC-691944.gif

One of my favorite historical photos. Orville Wright on his final flight in 1944. He died in 1947. He's in the copilot's seat of an Army Air Corps Lockheed C-69 Constellation transport, probably one of the most complex and largest aircraft at that time. Think of it, it had only been just over 40 years since he and Wilbur had first flown at Kitty Hawk and there's Orville Wright thundering along in a giant 4-engined globe-circling transport. Only 25 more years from this photo until Neil Armstrong would be standing on the moon.

Wilbur Wright died in 1912 from typhoid fever.

Photo of a C-69, c1944:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Y-Net%20Photos/C-69.jpg

[427TJ]

In 1972 my friend Bill Larkins took this photo of the Douglas DC-7C used in the movie American Graffiti. The airplane was parked at Concord airport (California Bay Area) for the final scenes where Kurt boards the airplane to go off to college.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Y-Net%20Photos/AmGraffitiDC7CCCR72.jpg

Here's what a DC-7C looked like when it was the "hot ship" of the commercial airlines. Pan American's "Clipper Flora Temple" gets waved-off at San Francisco on a beautiful day in 1959.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Y-Net%20Photos/ClipperFloraTempleSFOc59.jpg

Before Lear Jets and the subsequent development of corporate aviation there were these: surplus WWII medium bombers that were converted for executive travel. This one's a Martin B-26 Marauder and has been heavily modified and has large three-blade DC-6 props in place of the stock four-blade units. My friend Bill Larkins shot this one at San Francisco in 1956. The Lear Jet didn't fly until 1963-64.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Y-Net%20Photos/N171ESFO1956Larkins.jpg

[Dog427435]

Pilot Error Cited in Blue Angel Crash
Associated Press | January 14, 2008
PENSACOLA, Fla. - A Navy Blue Angels pilot killed in a crash in a residential area last year apparently had become disoriented after failing to properly tense his abdominal muscles to counter the gravitational forces of a high-speed turn, The Associated Press has learned.

A report obtained by The Associated Press blamed the April crash on an error by Lt. Cmdr. Kevin Davis, who died when his F/A 18 Hornet went down near a Marine Corps station in Beaufort, S.C. Davis was in his first season flying in formation with the Navy's elite aerial demonstration team.

"In his final turn to attempt to rendezvous with the other Blues, he put a very fast, high-G turn on the aircraft. A real aggressive turn," Capt. Jack Hanzlik, a Navy spokesman and former aviator, told the AP on Monday.

Davis' parents were watching the team perform.

An investigator reviewing flight data found that as the turn subjected Davis to six times the force of gravity, a temporary decrease in blood flow to his brain likely caused him to experience tunnel vision and become disoriented, the report found.

However, Davis worked to regain control of the plane, "and in the last few seconds he may have been aware of his low altitude and was attempting to save the aircraft," said the report by Marine Lt. Col. Javier J. Ball.

The AP obtained the report as the result of Freedom of Information Act request.

"Kevin had performed these maneuvers in training and in the fleet. He had done them in similar situations and he had a history of performing them well without any problems," Hanzlik said

The Pensacola-based Blue Angels fly without the G-suits that most fighter pilots wear to avoid blacking out during such maneuvers. The suits inflate and deflate air bladders around the lower body to force blood to the brain and heart.

However, the air bladders can cause a pilot to bump the control stick, so the Blue Angels instead learn to manage the forces by tensing their abdominal muscles.

The crash at Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort was the Blue Angels' first since 1999 and the 26th fatality in the team's 60-year history.

Because of the crash, the Navy has increased its exercise requirements for Blue Angels pilots with an additional focus on abdominal muscles. The team has also stepped up its requirements for centrifuge training tailored for Blue Angels pilots.

Eight people on the ground were injured and some homes were damaged when the plane crashed in a residential area about 35 miles northwest of Hilton Head Island, S.C.

The pilot's family said through the Navy that they did not want to comment on the report.

[Dog427435]

Holy Crap!


http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=146299

[JRSully]

Love that KLM/St Maarten approach vid, you have to watch the one there where people are holding on to the fence while they are tking off

[kwhizz]

Here are some Actual Pic's of the British Airways 777 that landed short of the Runway in England

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/kwhizz/37%20Ford/p31plane1DM_800x543.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/kwhizz/37%20Ford/p31plane2DM_800x492.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/kwhizz/37%20Ford/runway.gif


Ken

[SS427]

Not a good picture considering you will be on one of those tomorrow and you are not helping Hartwegs frame of mind at all! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[kwhizz]

Those Pic's are better than this one.........LOL.....See you and Annie next Saturday.........

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/kwhizz/37%20Ford/13435356094576665e736ef.jpg

Ken

[Motion Camaro]

http://www.afterburnerseminars.com/resource/downloads/hi_res/F22.jpg

F22 @ Langley (http://www.f22-raptor.com/media/video_gallery/videos/F22_AirShow_Langley.wmv)

[1967 Impala]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u52/1967l72427/000731f.jpg


A10 in the same pose

[Dog427435]

Check out this landing!

http://video.aol.com/video/video-category/1912915

[1967 Impala]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u52/1967l72427/050407-N-8163B-002.jpg


F 14 tomcat in the sun

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Cool P-40

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj121/70COPORSZ28/3659.jpg http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[47Hammer]

Kinda Kool.

http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a321/megavin/?action=view&amp;current=RussionSU-MK30Fighter-1.flv

[Dog427435]

For anybody who is not familiar with a jet engine, a jet fan blade should be perfectly smooth.
A pilot for a Chinese carrier requested permission and landed at FRA (Frankfurt, Germany) for an unscheduled refueling stop. The reason became soon apparent to the ground crew: The Number 3 engine had been shutdown previously because of excessive vibration, and because it didn't look too good. It had apparently been no problem for the tough guys back in China: as they took some sturdy straps and wrapped them around two of the fan blades and the structures behind, thus stopping any unwanted wind-milling (engine spinning by itself due to airflow passing thru the blades during flight) and associated uncomfortable vibration caused by the suboptimal fan.
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Note that the straps are seat-belts....how resourceful! After making the 'repairs', off they went into the wild blue yonder with another revenue-making flight on only three engines! With the increased fuel consumption, they got a bit low on fuel, and just set it down at the closest airport (FRA) for a quick refill.
That's when the problems started: The Germans, who are kind of picky about this stuff, inspected the malfunctioning engine and immediately grounded the aircraft. (Besides the seat-belts, notice the appalling condition of the fan blades.) The airline operator had to send a chunk of money to get the first engine replaced (took about 10 days). The repair contractor decided to do some impromptu inspection work on the other engines, none of which looked all that great either. The result: a total of 3 engines were eventually changed on this plane before it was permitted to fly again.
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And we were worried about lead paint on our children's Toys
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[PeteLeathersac]

Crazy stuff!.

So how far ahead of the main airframe mfg. date should these seat belt codes be to have been be considered correct by the Germans...or is it only necessary that they predate each individual engine assembly they're used on?.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
~ Pete

[427TJ]

Most U.S. airlines would love to achieve that level of cost control, believe me. No, I'm not kidding.

[ANDY M]

This is for Pete, another great way to waste an afternoon. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Real underware changing stuff

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj121/70COPORSZ28/101804.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj121/70COPORSZ28/101803.jpg

[427TJ]

Factory-fresh Lockheed F-104A Starfighter visiting George AFB near Victorville, California in 1958. You can see why the '104 was called "The missile with a man in it." In the left background are North American F-100D Super Sabres of George's 479th Tactical Fighter Wing. The '100 was the USAF's first fighter that could exceed the speed of sound in level flight but on this day in 1958 the 104 was the hottest bird on earth. You can see the southern Sierra-Nevada mountains in the distance.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/Various%20Photos/F-104AGeorgeAFBc19581.jpg

[nuch_ss396]

Bill,

I think the F-104's were the hottest looking fighters of all
time. Didn't do much in the way of ordinance load though.

BTW, when I was a kid I was visiting the Jersey shore and
an F-100 flew over the beach ( very low ) and at a high rate
of speed. I believe it was the 4th of July weekend and that
particular fighter may have been one on the Thunderbirds....

If memory serves me right, that was the start of my life-long
fascination with military aircraft. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Nuch

[47Hammer]

I was sitting in my office at home working on my taxes and I heard that awesome, unmistakable sound of the four Cyclone radial engines of a B-17 Flying Fortress. As I run thru the house in route to the back yard the bird flies right over the house.

Wow! how cool was that. He looks to be headed to Van Nuys airport so I called my brother, the responsible party for the first F-16 put into Air Force service back in '79, 001 Balls one as he called it. He says it just flew over his house too as he (the pilot) had landed at Van Nuys.

Well I'm headed for a short putt over to his place with my camera and lets see if I can get a shot of this incredible piece of aviation history. I'll post pictures if I can get some. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a321/megavin/RSCN2989.jpg

[47Hammer]

This guy is just cruising the sky's over me all day, they must be giving rides from Van Nuys. I don't need to move he just keeps flyin by.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a321/megavin/th_DSCN2990.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a321/megavin/?action=view&amp;current=DSCN2990.flv)

[SS427]

Quick action with the camera Bart. I am not sure who's airplane that is but it looks like a possible G model. The only G model with a Yellow tail that comes to mind is Pima Air Museums B17G "I'll be Around" though I am not positive that they ever fly that airplane but I believe it is airworthy. When you get pictures I will be able to see. The serial number for the above is 231892 with a Black square on the tail and the letter "J" inside it. Neat shot.

[47Hammer]

As it turned out while I was sitting in line with the kids at the local In "N" Out Burger an hour later it flew over again. About 5 minutes later it began to rain and I never made it to the airport, but I'll be home all day tomorrow and if this guy continues to cruise the sky's over the hood, I'll have the camera ready again. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a321/megavin/th_DSCN2991.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a321/megavin/?action=view&amp;current=DSCN2991.flv)

[SS427]

"I'm seeing this guy everwhere"......

It's a sign Bart...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif Better get to the airport and hitch a $400 ride today!

[427TJ]

Pretty sure that yellow-tail B-17G is "Fuddy Duddy" based at Orange County and I see it parked there all the time. Owned by a retired USAF general, William Lyons, who made his money building housing subdivisions.

[mssl72]

47Hammer, you must not be too far away from me. When I lived in Van Nuys I used to love when they had the air show and they'd buzz the house. I would always take the Monday off after the show to watch the bulk of the aircraft leave. I have some video of the last time a B-29 came through Van Nuys, fly overs of the B-2 and a B-1B and B-52 high speed pass. It's really cool to see them in action up close. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[nuch_ss396]

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..... It's really cool to see them in action up close. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

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Funny - I wonder of the Afgani &amp; Iraqi armed forces feel the same way http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Nuch

[mssl72]

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Funny - I wonder of the Afgani &amp; Iraqi armed forces feel the same way http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Nuch

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They got to experience them in a whole different way!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif


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[SS427]

Thanks to Andy for sharing this with me. A very touching video of a Legacy and his plane. It's a must watch.

Grey Eagles (http://www.grayeagles.org/video.htm)

[nuch_ss396]

Andy &amp; Rick,

Thanks for sharing that moving tribute to the P-51 and its
original pilot. It's so nice to see and hear something
positive &amp; reaffirming about military service for a change...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

That seems like a very close and warm family. So nice to see.

Nuch

[1967 Impala]

That Grey Eagles video is just excellent http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

[47Hammer]

I could watch that stuff all day! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif Thanks for posting. Rick, I've got an incredible story about WWII and these here Mustang's, I guarantee the hair on the back of your neck will stand at attention. I look forward to sharing it with you. LateBrake U2 said you would eat it up. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

[SS427]

If it is regarding P-51's, you can bank on it. Even though only part of a P-51, the hair did that very same thing when Charley started his '55 "Final Objective" at Steve Sandlins party. The sound of that RR Merlin is like no other.

[Dog427435]

NEW RUSSIAN JET FIGHTER SU-30

WOW!!



http://bobandsylvia.com/FIGHTER.htm .

[ANDY M]

Cool video, but without any stealth technology, and open tail pipes, not hard to miss. It may be more nimble in a demo flight, but my money would still be on the F-22 Raptor. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
Not only could it sneak up on this plane, I would take any USAF pilot over a Russian or Chinese pilot. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
One other thing about the Raptor, with it's stealth design it will replace the F-117 and the F-15. Worth the investment.

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

These are pictures of my Uncle when he raced his mustang at Reno. He blew his engine racing and oil covered his canopy a few of hundred feet off the ground. Luckley he caught site of the edge of the runway out of a small spot on the side of the canopy that was clear and was able to dead stick the thing down. Everyone on the ground though he was a goner.

He said his prayers that night after he changed his underwear.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj121/70COPORSZ28/44-73543_03_mk1.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj121/70COPORSZ28/77C.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[ANDY M]

Boeing flies the first hydrogen battery powered plane! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=72623
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080403162501.d2gts0go&amp;show_article= 1
Silent prop-driven prototype, verticle rotation speed of 62mph. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[BARN FIND]

Just because you can afford to buy a new GT500 does not mean you should be allowed to drive one...the pictures speak for themselves.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/Barnfind/Dumb2.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/Barnfind/Dumb1.jpg

Yes he hit a parked Twin Cessna at a HIGH rate of speed and did Hundreds of Thousands worth of damage to the aircraft.

[SS427]

Here is an amazing compulation of aircraft videos. Watch the site as these change frequently.

airplane videos (http://flightjournal.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=9453C1928AC24B3D9505B8F3E1625B4F&amp;ty pe=gen&amp;mod=Core+Pages&amp;gid=52466614934643B29E76F951 A2A98E97)

[JoeG]

Ouch---Since they're crashing cars into planes now---Leave it to the Brits to set up wild Pinks races---this is nuts but http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif---I couldn't get this link up so you're gonna have to dial yourself....http://www.fighterpilotuniversity.com/index.cfm/2008/2/16/Eurofighter-Drag-Race.........

[SS427]

Here you go Joe
Eurofighter drag race (http://www.fighterpilotuniversity.com/index.cfm/2008/2/16/Eurofighter-Drag-Race)

[JoeG]

I was hoping you might be able to help.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[nuch_ss396]

Check this out! It's a piece on the Boeing 777 engine development program ( GE 90 115B Jet Engine )......

Nuch


GE 90 115B Engine (http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/nuch_ss396/videos/?action=view&amp;current=GE90115BJetEngine-ForDeltasNewB-777.flv)

[m22mike]

And here is a 777 Build (http://www.nmedia.com/777-200LR_Boeing.wmv )

Mike

[m22mike]

Bird Strike on a Canadair Challenger 604 ( I think ? Looks to new in the cock-house to be a 601 )
I bet this got there attention. I have had to deal with the aftermath of a few birdie strikes, but never anything this gross http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Bird%20Strike/april82008005.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Bird%20Strike/april82008008.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Bird%20Strike/april82008009.jpg

Look closly at the bent up fan blades, hell of a meat grinder, most of it probably went through the bypass duct http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Bird%20Strike/tn_Bird.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Bird%20Strike/april82008001.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/Bird%20Strike/april82008002.jpg

Mike

[mockingbird812]

NO FREE RIDES! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif


That was a gnats a** away from a major catostrophy. Fortunate crew. Probably more than one bird impacted. Did they ID the breed? 'Spect they had a significant decompression. What altitude were they at when the incident occurred?

[m22mike]

Sam
I do not know the specifics of the incident. My guess is it my have been on climb out. I think a head on with even a large bird might have been deflected ?? If they were climbing fast when they impacted the poor birdie that might explain the structural damage. JMO. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Would not have been alot of cabin differential pressure during initial climbout.

Mike

[ANDY M]

Looking at the air inlet gives new meaning to the expression "Your goose is cooked". I might give up chicken fingers for a while. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
I loved the 777 vid, Mike. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif I rode in coach trans-Atlantic in one (for about 10 or 11 hours each way). Only difference between a 777 and a 737 is the number of seats. A sardine by any other name... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

These replica P-38's sound like the clone a lot of us here would love to have!.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

http://www.aeroplanemonthly.com/news/Selfbuild_P38_Lightning_replica_news_195526.html

~ Pete

[PeteLeathersac]

I'm part way through a book on WW2 Bomber Command, 6 Group specifically and the more I learn, the more I understand how we truly are such the fortunate generation!.

Take the time to thank a Veteran...before it's too late!.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif
~ Pete

Here's one amazing story some may know already...worth rereading if you do..

Andrew Charles Mynarski was born in Winnipeg, October 14, 1916, the son of Polish immigrants. He was a north-end boy who attended King Edward and Isaac Newton Elementary Schools and St. John's Technical School, but at 16, when his father died, he left school to help support his family. In November 1941, Mynarski enlisted in the Royal Canadian Air Force and trained in Calgary and Edmonton before being posted to No. 3 Bombing and Gunnery School at MacDonald, Manitoba, where he trained as a mid-upper air-gunner, earning his AG Wing in 1942. He was sent overseas in December 1942 and, after training in England, was posted to 419 "Moose" Squadron, a heavy bomber squadron that was part of 6 Group, the Canadian arm of RAF Bomber Command.

Moose Squadron flew out of the RAF station at Middleton St. George, near Darlington in north England. Mynarski was part of a seven-man crew on the Lancaster Bomber A for Able, with pilot Art de Breyne from St. Lambert, Québec, Jack Friday of Port Arthur, Ontario, Jim Kelly of Winnipeg, Bob Bodie of Vancouver, Roy Vigars of Guildfand, England and Flight Lt. Pat Brophy of Port Arthur. A cook at the base, Mrs. Berriman, told the story that when the Canadians returned from missions, the first thing they would ask for was a slice of her lemon meringue pie. Her daughter recalls: "When they flew back in, my mom had to have it ready for them. The Canadians really loved it, much more than the English."

On the night of June 12, 1944 a few days after D-Day, the Lanc and its crew took off on their thirteenth sortie for the railway yard at Cambrai in an attempt to disrupt German supply lines. For bomber crews in World War II life expectancy was measured in months.

In the recollection of Mynarski's friend Pat Brophy in a famous December 1965 Reader's Digest story, "The Thirteenth Mission," Mynarski was "a quiet, chunky fellow with a boyish grin." Brophy, an officer, and Mynarski, an NCO, lived in different quarters but they became fast friends. After missions or evenings on the town the two men had a routine: Brophy would say, "So long Irish"; Mynarski would exaggerate a salute and reply "Good night, sir!" As the friends sat on the grass beside their bomber waiting to take off for France, Mynarski found a four-leaf clover and said "Here, Pat. You take it." It proved to be a prophetic act.

On the way to Cambrai a German JU-88 streaked under the Lancaster and let fly. Explosions rocked the aircraft. At 13 minutes past midnight, June 13, Captain de Breyne gave the signal to bail out. In the tail turret, however, the hydraulic system had been destroyed and Brophy was trapped. Just as Mynarski was about to jump to safety he saw Brophy struggling to get free. On his hands and knees Mynarski crawled to the tail and frantically attempted with an axe and then his bare hands to release his friend. By this time flames were engulfing the aircraft and Brophy screamed, "Go back, Andrew! Get out!"

Reluctantly, Mynarski crawled back to the escape hatch, and standing up in his burning clothes saluted his old friend as he had so many times before. Brophy recalled, "At the same time, just before he jumped, he said something. And though I couldn't hear, I knew it was, 'Good night, sir!'"

Amazingly, as the Lancaster hurtled toward the earth it hit a tree and the blow snapped Brophy's turret open and he was thrown free, unharmed. The French resistance rescued Brophy and three of his companions; two of the surviving crew had been taken prisoner. He later learned that a French farmer had spoken of a parachutist who had landed alive but died of severe burns.

Pilot Officer Andrew Mynarski, age 27, was the first member of the RCAF to be decorated with the Victoria Cross. His example is a testament both to courage and to friendship. Fortitude, endurance, loyalty and bravery are virtues that should inspire us all, but, as Gwynne Dyer writes in War, they are a fundamental necessity in the military. Combat is horrifying and to persevere requires a bond of trust. Sir John Hackett, a well- known British General, makes the point that military action is group action: "The success of armies depends to a high degree on the coherence of the group and the coherence of the group depends on the degree of trust and confidence of its members in each other." Soldiers fight because of loyalty to close friends. Mynarski demonstrated bravery and loyalty of almost superhuman proportions.

Most importantly, he demonstrated these virtues on behalf of a friend. William Bennett in the Book of Virtues writes that, "in the best friendships we see, in perhaps its purest form, a moral paradigm for all human relations." Having friends and being a friend means that you begin by sharing mutual interests and taking pleasure in each other's company. But deeper friendship moves from acquaintanceship and affection to frankness, sharing, and assistance, as Mynarski exemplified, to the point of self-sacrifice.

I think it is this aspect of the Mynarski story that has had such an impact. Brave soldiers must die in war, but this man died trying to save a friend. It is an example that unites generations: near the former base in Middleton the children of the primary schools joined with many others across England and Canada to raise more than 76,000 pounds for a statue to Andrew Mynarski at Durham Tees Valley Airport. The sculptor of the statue visited Mynarski's grave at Meharicourt Cemetery, France, and left a message from the school children: "We will never forget our hero." On June 4, 2005, Colleen Bacon, Pat Brophy's daughter, unveiled the statue as a permanent memorial.

Ralph Waldo Emerson believed that friendships are gifts and expressions from God. That was certainly the view of Pat Brophy. He concluded his 1965 article about Andrew Mynarski with these words: "I'll always believe that a divine providence intervened to save me because of what I had seen – so the world might know of a gallant man who laid down his life for a friend."

[1967 Impala]

Here is a picture of the Andrew Charles Mynarski Lancaster that flys out of the Warplane Hertiage collection. I have seen this plane many times and let me tell you it is outstanding! it is only one of two that fly in the world and it came off of a pedestal in Godderich Ont and put back into flying condition by volunteers http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u52/1967l72427/Lancaster20PA47420may072003.jpg The small history on the plane (http://www.warplane.com/pages/aircraft_lancaster.html)

[SS427]

Do you know if this is the same Lancaster that used to be located at the Anoka County Airport Museum in Minnesota until about 7-10 years ago? I thought that airplane was one of the two remaining as well so it could be the same or the other one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[ANDY M]

British Lancaster bomber

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/ameyers215/GatheringofMustangsfriday010.jpg

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This was the Lanc that flew in from Canada last year for the Mustang show. Same plane? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[1967 Impala]

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British Lancaster bomber

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/ameyers215/GatheringofMustangsfriday010.jpg

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This was the Lanc that flew in from Canada last year for the Mustang show. Same plane? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Yes it is the same plane,