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I think you are spending wat too much time questioning our integrity and moral character. To make statements on the BM car which you have no first hand knowledge of, is very weak. Its not what you said but how you said it, that I find offensive. " I have the VIN Don't ask" give us all a break! I have been a member of this board for quite a while and you were the first to stir the pot. If you feel uncomfortable sharing information fine, just be polite about it. I think we all understand your point, but to start your first post like that invites, negative responses. Lets ALL start over and move on!!

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Good suggestion. No biting, no fighting!

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Caddy ? Me ? Bowtie, have I shown you Marlin's new Baby ?

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I agree with Paceme!!

Bowtie asked, I produced. If the smiley face was ment that he was joking - so be it. I was serious, we are here to help anyone that we can. If the VIN can't be used for a title search, and you prefer to keep it quiet - just say so without insunuating that others want it so that they can scoop the car.

Start this thread over, all this whining is making me drunk!! This is a hobby, remember?? Bowtie, sorry if I offended you, let's get back to the facts about this Blue Chevelle.
M

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Yes, and to make statements "ABOUT STATEMENTS" about something that YOU also don't have first hand knowledge of, is also JUST as weak or weaker...

..."To make statements on the BM car which you have no first hand knowledge of, is very weak."

So you're telling me that ALL OF YOU, PERSONALLY have "first hand knowledge" about the transaction on the '71 BM car, and you can therefor freely make comment on it when it gets discussed, simply because you've taken one side over the other.

But if I even hint that 69motion had a valid point to be upset, or even use that as an EXAMPLE why I chose NOT to post a VIN, I get then get hammered?

What hypocracy. Throwing up the "oh you don't have first hand knowledge"... like YOU ALL DO??

And excuse me for not saying the "magical" word PLEASE when I said... "I do have the serial number (VIN) (don't ask)".

Man, I'm smart enough (somewhat) to KNOW that soon a request for the VIN would
follow. It DID, in the ninth reply to my post!

Maybe I should have used that "magic" word...
"PLEASE don't ask". Would THAT have prevented someone from asking? Don't think so.

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You brought up the 71BM, not anyone else. Move on, your becoming annoying. PLEASE https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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Geez...You're just a Happy Guy. Did I show you Marlin's new Baby ?

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Charlie;
You Silly freak!! My new baby is the cutest thing on this planet, now if I could just get a digipic of him to prove that he is not a Chi-wawa (sp)!! (Stinkin Boomspeed won't launch a .bmp file, why bbdon????)

Bowtie;
The only thing about your Chevelle description that doesn't seem to fit the photos in the old article is the white interior. Do you know if it was changed at some point? Do any of the prior owners remember it being black like the pics show? Was it a dual quad car or a single 4 carb? I think the hood was called a Stilleto hood from A&A in Georgia, there is a pic of it on a Chevelle in 7/69 or 8/69 SSDI.
M

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Keep your VIN a secret thatÃs fine. This is a good site and the people here are willing to help those new to the Supercar thing (like me). I have learned a lot by reading and posting questions. I have received appropriate answers to my questions and some site members have emailed pictures etc to help me out. That is what the site is about. Marlin has provided me with more information regarding Ã70 Deuces than I could have ever found myself and answered countless questions concerning Yenko Novas.

It has been a rough first post but give the site a chance.

Mike

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While the topic of sharing VIN's has come up, does anyone have a list of the full VIN's for COPO Camaros built, that they would be willing to email to me ?

[Edited by Steven J (10-16-2001 at 04:14 PM).]

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Bowtie, I wouldnt give too much creedence to what people tell you offline.Lots of people out there with their own personal agenda. I posted some inane comment about the B/M deal and was chastised offline by one of our members because I did not feel the pain of the common man ! I AM the common man so it took me a bit by surprise.Hope you find the car.Hope whoever your "deepthroat" is gets over it....

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Hi Marlin, I have emailed you about the picture.

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Thanks guys for some of those last few comments.

I've received FAR MORE POSITIVE offline comments (email) from some guys from this site, than all of the negative ones HERE.

What amazes me is all of the "Me-TOO, Me-TOO!!..GOOBERS" who made post(s) on this particular topic which absolutely had nothing to do with THE topic at hand.

All they wanted to do was pipe in with their snide, smart-ass comments. And no, not the humorous comments, but the acidic ones.

Yeah, maybe AFTER all was said and done, I came across myself as a smart-ass. But if ya sling the crap at me baby... ya better expect it to fly right back in your face. https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

Now on to more fun stuff... work on the 427 '66 Biscayne, or swapping the wicked nasty 327 engine/TH350 combo into the '63 SS Nova... yeah R E A L F U N.


[Edited by the_bowtie_gang (10-17-2001 at 12:22 AM).]

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Great analogy (crap). Are you related to IGNITION MAN. Charley we need your picture!

[Edited by paceme (10-17-2001 at 07:38 AM).]

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I have to chime in here. I went thru the Lincoln Tunnel last night and some guy would not "let me in"(in other words,would not allow me to merge into line, and by the way,no I did not "jump in" on the line if you were wondering). He rolled down his window and started yelling at me. I rolled down my window and said "after all of the crap that we have all been thru I hope that you realize what an a@#&%*! you are by treating others in the manor that you just treated me?" Lets all try to be nicer to each other. We all share a common interest. Let's keep it cordial. Here is a good tip: when people comunicate via any form of communication other than "face to face" it is very easy to "take things the wrong way". It is a good rule of thumb to give people the benefit of the doubt rather than to assume that that person was trying to insult or offend you. Always re-read your posts and try to make sure that you cannot be taken in a bad way. There are many people out there that do not like our hobby and would like to see it gone, lets not have internal fighting.

Andrew

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This is Kevin's wife not Kevin responding because Kevin is right now out in the middle of the Bering Sea fishing King Crab on his boat in some of the worse weather they have seen in a long time. He said it was like the Movie The Perfact Storm. One boat lost a man over board and another boat just got the windows knocked out of his pilot house. Kevin works very hard for what he has. I just want to say that he likes to share your forum with me on different views and I have always injoyed the fun banter that goes on between all of you. You have all seemed like good friends. I was surprised by some of the resent quotes about Kevin. I have always known him to be a man of complete integrity. I am sad that he is not here to respond. And I am saddened that gossip can cause some people such grief. Wenona

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Wenona,
I want you to know that I consider Kevin a true asset to the sYc. I was very impressed with the cars that he has posted to his website. I have never met Kevin but I feel that he has contributed some great info to the forum and I hope that he continues to do so. I like to consider all of the members of the club to be friends of mine, if people do not feel the same way ,well, that is "on them". Let him know that there are people in the club that feel the same way that I do, we like having him around, and not to let any negativity keep him from being a member of the forum. Take care and I wish him a safe return, I hope that next year he might attend the reunion with or without cars. It would be good to have him there with all of us.

Take Care,
Andrew Hinckley

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Just got back from vacation and am reading the new posts. I gave out some information that came from a direct conversation with Dave Libby to us. We did not contact him. I shared what was told us and now we are attacked about the number of cars produced, colors etc. What's the deal? We never asked for a VIN or anything like that. I asked if we had talked to you before about this car? You never responded. We have always shared information on this board and once in a great while I wish we hadn't. This is one of those times. We have one of the Harrell '68 Chevelles and Joe has always been willing to share ANYTHING about the car. Whatever the number made or colors produced, it is a rare car. Since records are scarce, you have to rely on the people that can help. Why make enemies?...BKH

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Well said Andrew. While I can't claim to know Kevin well, I have had the pleasure of meeting him in person as well as having a number of telephone conversations. I have always found him to be a man of integrity, helpful and willing to share his knowledge and love of muscle cars.

Hope he makes it back safe. I saw "The Perfect Storm" <=== Frightening to say the least. Where do we go for the crab feast?? https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gifhttps://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

[Edited by COPO (10-18-2001 at 12:28 PM).]

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Hey there BK,
We were definitely 'one man down' with this last post, glad you are back - and good comment 'why make enemies?' We are only here to help!!! What do you make of the 'white interior'??

Hi Wenona,
We hold Kevin and yourself in very high regard on this site, but there always has to be a few bottom feeders! We know that Kevin has earned his collection, and appreciates his cars a lot more than most owners. After seeing the TV special on the 10 most dangerous jobs, I was amazed at the conditions under which these guys fish. I could not even work on one of those boats, I get sick in calm seas just going Blue fishing in the Atlantic. We hope and pray for his safety, and await his further contributions to our hobby.
M

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Hi All,

I have to respond to what was said about the '71 BM Camaro. I have first hand knowledge about the car and the deal that was made for it. I have known about (and ridden in) this car since '72. My shop was the one that restored the car for the gentleman that Kevin purchased the car from. When I saw what was written on the site I called him and asked him what happened. He informed me that the guy from back east did have a deposit on the car but had dropped the ball as far as coming up with the money to close the deal. As far as I know from what this man told me Kevin was the first one to "pull the trigger". Emotions run high when dealing on these rare cars. The same person that owned the BM car back in '72 sold me my COPO Camaro. Two years before I bought it he had offered the car to his nephew, the nephew screwed around and tried to chisel him on the price. When I was offered the car, I appeared on his doorstep in 30 minutes with a deposit and grabbed the Protect-O-Plate to ensure the car was mine.
The nephew was so mad that I ended up with the car that he wouldn't speak to me for about a year. The upshot of this ramble is,
not to give complete credence to the guy who "lost" the deal. Most of the time it was his own fault. Frank Payne.

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I returned from Alaska night before last, read this thread after my wife's telling me about it. I finally have calmed down enough now to respond in a gentleman-like fashion.
I will again tell the real story on the 71 B/M Camaro for Bow Tie Gang since he is stirring up the controversy.

I contacted Jon Bischof about selling his 71 B/M Camaro 2 years prior and it was not for sale at that time. When 69 motion Jeff called me I had my Hemmings in my hands as well, which had the 71 B/M ad in it. Jeff asked me what he thought the B/M car was worth, and secondly if I was interested in buying his 69 SS396/375 HP Chevelle for $65,000; which coincidently was the asking price of the B/M camaro. I then called the owner Jon Bischof direct to re-remind him of my call asking to buy it a couple of years ago. He responds that the car had to go through the broker now but confirmed there were no deposits on the car yet. I felt my position in line for purchase of this car was first, having been two years prior to other potential buyers. I still waited another day, then called the broker who said he had no deposits but had approximately 10 prospective buyers, any of whom could buy it at any minute. I spoke for it and bought it.

We all know now there was a second like kind 71 B/M Camaro on eBay. After all this controversy, Jeff did not bid on it?? As it didn't sell, it could've been bought after the auction for $57,000. I think I would've done a favor to anyone wanting a 71 B/M Camaro as it was $8,000 less than what I paid.

It appears that Dan 68 Chevy II is the person behind the scenes fueling this controversy by emailing off-line. He had the only negative remark in the original 71 B/M thread as well. Another member of this Board had passed on to me that when asking for info on a 68 Big Block Nova, Dan emailed him stating that since he sided with Kevin, Dan wouldn't help him; as Kevin was a wealthy owner that didn't care about his crews whom where in danger on his boats in Alaska, and that Kevin's Dad gave it all to him. I've also emailed to Bow Tie Gang off-line asking if it was Dan emailing him off-line and fueling the 71 B/M controversy; but he has not responded. My assumption is that it is Dan.

Dan this is for your info: Although I have a great Dad, the only thing he gave me was the suitcase I packed my clothes in when I left home at age 17. I've not inherited nor have been given anything by anybody. I started my business from scratch. My crews and other boat captains are like family to me whom I care a lot about. This is because I spent 32 years of seasons at Sea risking my life with them, so I know what happens up there. I just returned from a season of which a storm took place and we fished in 40 foot seas. There was loss of life again and numerous vessels incurred heavy weather damage. My brother-in-laws boat recovered one of the bodies. Being there and listening to it happen on my radios tears your heart out. We are like a small tight-knit community of vessels at sea, as we are 100 miles offshore with no protection. There were vessels that had wheelhouse windows blown out, which results in destroying the vessels navagation and communications electronics. One vessel returned with the steel top of his wheelhouse peeled back like the lid on a tin can. Yet these are not small vessels as they are heavy duty steel and range in 120 to 165 feet in length. But all my vessels, crews and myself returned safely. Kevin

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Well said,welcome back!


Steve

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Kevin, Wenona, that was more explanation than anyone deserved nor should you have had to make it!! Hopefully this thread can be put to rest. Welcome back (got back just in time for last nights storm which I am sure seemed very tame to you).
Jim

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Kevin I guess you just don't remenber me .I talked to you personally and you said would help me with imfomation about my car and did you ever call just to say no I couldn't find anything,Thanks for helping.This happen when you had your 69 BM Motion for sale in Hemmings and I called on your car .You told me you sold the car and that the new owner wanted to keep the price private.I could care less what you have and as far as what you just said ,if it makes you fill good say whatever you want,I heard different opinons off line and also phone calls from many people also.I just want to know one thing ,why do you feel you have to justify your ownership of 40 supercars?I don't come on here and defend why I have 3 muscle cars,I appreciate what I have and I'm dam lucky to have these.I think all of us work hard for what we have,but I've yet to see anyone else but you defend why they have what they have ,lets add that to the Profiles maybe since it seems to be the TOPIC NOW.

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Wow,I'm impress.Do you better now?
Sincerily Dan Palchanes

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Dan, I remember your phone calls to which I answered you the best I could. You were seeing some stripes resembling B/M stripes on your 68 Nova and asked me how to identify a B/M car. I answered you at that time that I had no way to identify it, but the only real way was to pay Joel Rosen $1500 to tell you whether it was or wasn't a B/M car. You were not happy to hear that but I can not be responsible for what Joel charges. If you were one of the dozens of guys calling when I had my 69 B/M for sale and then asking price after I said it was no longer available; I felt it was prying into ones privacy. It was a confidential matter between me and Charley Lillard as I promised it to him but the sale hinged on my buying a ZL1 B/M Camaro I was dealing with a guy on. The ZL1 ended up being a bogus car with no paperwork, therefore I was not able to sell mine to Charley.

As far as your question why I have to justify and defend myself; it is only because of your negative comments that prompt them. The first being your comment in the original 71 B/M thread about "elite secret guys with wads of money". All I want to say is I am the same as everyone else on this board and no better. Dan it is you that has me here again and again needing to defend myself after your emailing negative comments off-line about me to other members. The one about me not caring about my crews on my boats in Alaska really struck a sensitive nerve after seeing crews on other boats die and get injured this last two weeks, plus stressing heavily for my crews and boats safety. I am certain it was you that was fueling Bow Tie Gangs Controversy as well. I don't have a personal need to defend myself until people like you make negative statements against me, and then you can darn well bet that I will DEFEND myself!

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I'm a relative "newby," to you site, however I feel compelled to post. I have only recently re-entered the musclecar hobby, after taking 5-6 years off, with the re-purchase of a '70 LS6 Chevelle. I'm only 31, but I've owned alot of really nice cars. I would love to go out and spend 100K for B/M, Yenko, or ZL1 cars, but realistically that is not an option right now. I applaud Kevin, and others like him. I have never met Kevin, nor for that matter spoken with him via phone. We have only corresponded via email a few times. However he seems like a very up front, "real" ethusiast. Am I jealous of him for the money...hell no. I have seen what that can do firsthand.... I would like to publically thank Kevin for allowing me a glimspe of his collection via the internet. It is always great to be able to sit up and drool!!!For what it is worth....even though the internet does not show a person's jealous tone via voice, it does infer it through the words. Some of you need to remember that....I have a fellow devildog that always says, "never type something, you wouldn't have the bxlls to say to someone's face." Just my 2 cents.

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Arrgh..Instead of looking at that 69 BM Camaro in my garage I get to look at this...Kevin...Help....
http://members.aol.com/clill8567/maggie/

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Didn't I give you my Vin# on my 68 Nova when you asked? Now why did you ask me knowing you don't normally give this imformation out and then never respond?I often wonder about why you asked for my vin# yet never called to say yes I found something out or no I didn't.Did you a few months ago contact someone in N J about trying to buy a Black Motion Nova that is heavily documented?I talked to this person not to long ago.
Now as far as if you care about your workers,I DEFINITLY believe you do.I'm real glad you brought this point up.Without having and seeing all the imfomation that I said ,What I meant is all business work as a team and whether you want to admitt this or not business would not survive without the worker bees doing the grunt work at the bottom. Kevin,I was just trying to point out that most people don't give credit for what they have is do to the complete team and not just one individule.
These people at the bottom work their ass off for a tenth of what the people at the top make yet how many times do you hear a owner really say an mean that it's team and without the help of everybody I have on my team I wouldn't I have made the money I have or aquire the things I have. Life has gotten
way to fast and we need to slow it down and show appreciation for the good people around us. By the way I give your men much credit for being able to stay on the deck and still do their job through some of those tremendous violent storms.How these guys stay on deck through these storms is a miracle.
Peace Kevin,Dan
P.S. I'll leave you guys alone,I won't be posting anymore. Thanks

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Charley, I think you get more mileage out of that mutt than all of us put together with our cars https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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Dan, Kevin feels compelled to explain himself because of your earlier postings, e.g.:

"Jeff,sorry to here you got screwed...since your not in this elite,secreted ,wads of money group...people play their stupid little games."

"I've seen NICB mention by a collector of rare muscle cars...I will call my friend tommorrow and tell them the NICB is for the rich and famous and it exist for the chosen few."

"...maybe we could help other people to find imformation they wouldn't normally no how to get, or why bother their not SUPERCARS."

[Edited by Denis (10-23-2001 at 10:30 PM).]

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Denis...There are 5 different Mutts and they all resemble some members of this web site ...or their Children.....That one looks like Belair I think.........

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I have been to Seattle and the first time I was there I met Kevin and he invited me to his home. He really didn't know me or my friend, but we were invited anyway. He was a complete gentleman and gave us the full tour of his home and cars. We never felt intimidated, just welcome. It is a grand collection to be sure. Kevin has been to my home as well and I have been with him at other events and he and his family have never been anything but splendid. It is disturbing that some people will condemn without any real facts. It is happening all to often on this site. I along with many others have tried to give the facts out on topics without any nonsence. I have been as calm as I can be about some of the things that have been said to me and others on this board. I have had times I just will not post because of the way the thread is moving. This is my favorite site to visit. I hope that we can all keep it that way. There is a lot of knowledge behind the keypads out there. I just hope we can continue to share it...BKH

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Charley,

How about a group picture of your mutt collection. https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

Mike

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I'm not sure you could handle it.

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I have to say that I was not really surprised about the way that this post turned out. I could see where it was going after how it started with the negative comment (that turned me off) "don't even ask". I don't want your VIN# but, don't ask a question and insult us by implying that there is a lack of trust especially when you are the one asking for help. I always worry about how a group can experience a complete change over infighting. I do not wish to contribute more towards this fight but there was a comment made that I felt that I needed to address, Dan said something in reference to "adding this to Profiles" I want to know if that was a direct "dig" to one of my previous posts. If it is, then let your feelings be known, say it, if not, then I took it the wrong way. I like knowing who I am talking to. If I post something,work on a project,or build something then I put my name on it so people know who they are dealing with. I expect that from myself and I expect that from people that I deal with. I noticed that this negative post originated from a new forum poster who did not list anything about him/herself(s) and I have a problem with that. If somebody wishes to come on this forum and ask a question then I feel that they should let us know who is asking the question. This board is comprised of a group of friends who love this hobby, it is not a "hit and run"or a "get some extra info" and leave" bulletin board. If someone has this negative view ,well, feel free to leave any time the spirit moves you to do so. We don't need that kind of attitude here.I just want to remind all of the core members not to give up and quit because of some fly-by-nights that come in and ruin our group and then jet off to something else. Like I said before I have not met Kevin nor have we spoken on the phone but, I have friends that have, friends that trust implicitly who state emphatically that Kevin is a man of his word. I believe that! Do not attack him and question him and then question him about his explanation about his integrity. That is not right and it is not fair.

Andrew Hinckley

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I just want to add that Kevin's website is one of the most informative ones I've seen.
I think it is good of him to share these cars with us. Frank

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I may be the only one who feels this way, but I think this thread has been good for the group. Kind of like a system of checks and balances. I just hate to see all of this scrutiny keep people from posting. Gosh knows there are already more than a few guys "in the know" of these cars that refuse to post here.

The fact is, Kevin is are a powerful collector who's capable of finding some of the rarest cars as well as their supporting documentation. Not that I am revealing anything new here, but there are these "urban legends" that float around this board. You know... about the guy who got a hold of certain information about "Supercar X" and later made arrangements to purchase the car- which quickly becomes a fully documented and very desirable car.

I am myself, curious to know what Kevin found with Dan's VIN#. Would you mind sharing this info Kevin, or at least the steps you took if you couldn't find anything?

Just ask Marlin how nice it is to have someone find the supporting information to the supercar you own. I'm sure finally receiving his POP felt darn good. Surely we hope that if anyone uncovers additional info on our cars, they would choose to share it with the present owner.

None of us want to be the guy in the "urban legend" who unknowingly sells a car to someone holding the unobtainable supporting documentation for our car. The truth is what most of these stories are based upon and history will repeat itself. I think these guys are justifiably cautious. I feel that all of the concerns addressed here by both Dan and the Bowtie Gang are legitimate, and I do not fault them for openly expressing them.

I want to make it clear that I consider Dan a friend. Since I first met him, he too has been a person of integrity and quickly earned my respect. He is very supportive and enthusiastic to help when he can- provided he doesn't feel that he's being taken advantage of. I think it is a shame the way Dan has been attacked here. I find it much easier to relate to Dan and his position than Kevin's. Looking at it from Dan's perspective, he is justified. Hopefully those who know or support Dan have at least shared your support with him outside of this group.

For those who have never met Dan or disagree with him, challenging him to a face to face confrontation is not in any of our best interests as it only serves as instigation for additional conflict. I do support any type of gentleman like debate that may continue as it helps to define who each of us really is- probably better than any self written profile could.

Best regards to all,

Paul Tholey

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Paul I don't know Kevin,Bowtie Gang or Dan...I think part of the problem was the way things wer "typed" not spoken.Sometimes you can't tell whether the typed word comes off being cocky. Bowtie came off as kind of cocky in my opinion.Probably unintentional but thats what happens sometimes.I don't know Dan either...I asked him offline for a bit of info to identify a "real" big block 68 Chevy II because he knew what he was talking about on the subject.The response I got back offline was rather unusual.If you don't want to help someone out just say so or don't say anything.No need to make it personal.No one should have to kiss anyones a** around here to get info or help.Since most of us don't know each other personally, you can only base your impressions on responses posted.Lets move on now.......

[Edited by Belair62 (10-28-2001 at 07:09 PM).]