Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

Just as the Subject states.....

This car was from around the Wichita, Kansas area ORIGINALLY, and was last known to have been bought by someone in or near the Kansas City, MO area, or maybe the Missouri area. And NEVER re-registered in their name!!!

I do have the serial number (VIN) (don't ask) and had ran a title search back years ago (when still legal to do so) and have documentation of previous registered owners (all 6 of them) back to the ORIGINAL OWNER.

I also verified that it was a Dick Harrell car from the original selling dealership as well.

This car was described to me (by the last registered owner) as being a "really Dark Blue" I'm guessing Fathom Blue car, with white bucket interior.

He also described to me that it had (what seems to me NOW to be) a fiberglass hood just like the one on the red '68 DH Chevelle owned by Joe Sweezey on & in Muscle Car Review.

Anyone ever seen/heard about this car?

Comments anyone????

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

Don't take this wrong away, as I don't ask to offend, but to learn: are you sure the car was a Chevelle? I am assuming (yeah, I know happens when you ass-u-me!) that you checked the VIN to make sure it's a Chevelle? Or that you personally saw it or remember it being a Chevelle, and are not getting the info second hand (which has happened to me). It sounds like a '68 Harrell Nova is what you are describing, except you are looking for Chevelle!

[Edited by Chevy454 (10-10-2001 at 01:26 PM).]

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

What was the selling dealer? They built one Fathom Blue Chevelle, but I don't recall it having white interior. The article in which the car appears has black. Only two Chevelles are rumored to have the hood. The blue car had a white stripe on the front like Joe's. The other three cars are to have been red, yellow, and green. That makes five. That is the total the we were told by the people that built the cars. I may have taked to you before on the Chevelle page about the car you are talking about...BKH

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

the-bowtie-gang

Welcome to the site! Your first post is interesting and I think may help other Harrell fans for future reference. The July '68 Super Stock and Drag Illustrated identifies the test '68 427 Chevelle as being a "midnight blue". Have you seen this article? In regards to the car you are trying to locate, is the "selling" dealership the same as the "originating" dealership?

I have some theory's, one that needs to be either deposed or confirmed. It is that many early Harrell Performance Center cars were orginally ordered through the Fred Gibb Chevy dealership, and then shipped to final destination dealerships after modification at Dick's shop. This is a known fact for the '68 Nova's, and ZL1's. When Dick first set up his shop in Kansas City, he was very close with Fred Gibb, and considered setting up his shop in LaHarpe. I have an article regarding Dick's personal '68 Chevelle Super Stocker, being inadvertantly dropped off at the dealership, in LaHarpe, instead of at the Kansas City shop, when being shipped from Detroit in January of '68. I may have to ask Helen about some of these details.

Does anyone else on this site have further information? I know I discussed this with Joe S. at the reunion, and found his car was ordered at the "selling" dealership. I know Dick was not considered an "official" dealership, however I have seen at least one pic of him in a jacket that read "Dick Harrell Chevrolet" on the back.

For the bow-tie-gang:
Please e-mail me if you would like, for further discussion, if you would like to keep details of your search private, I understand. I am the fellow who owns Fred's first racecar, "Little Hoss".

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

I thought Joe's car came from Bill Allen Chevrolet? Wasn't this true with the "later" Harrell cars?

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

Nope, 100% sure it's a Chevelle... vin starts 138378K....

And after also speaking with the last registered owner...

I think he'd at least KNOW if he owned a Nova versus a Chevelle!! LOL

68TopStock....

Actually there IS a notation on the paperwork (from the "selling" dealership) making reference to Gibb Chevrolet, LaHarpe, IL.

That also makes me wonder if this particular car ever even was at Dick Harrells place in KC.

Or if the paperwork made it seem like (for the "billing" and any "Chevrolet warranty type" paperwork) or reflect merely a transfer between the two actual dealerships, leaving out the stop at the Harrell shop.


[Edited by the_bowtie_gang (10-10-2001 at 03:07 PM).]

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

How long has the car been off the road (unregistered)? Who is listed on the MSO as the selling dealer? I assume by reading your post it was listed as Dick Harrell?

The reason I ask is, that I was under the impression that Harrell got his cars from either Gibb, and then later Bill Allen(?)...but then again, Ken theorized that Dcik had cars delivered to him...!

Brian:

What dealer did Joe's Chevelle come from?

[Edited by Chevy454 (10-10-2001 at 03:14 PM).]

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

The Chevelle was Bill Allen. I would think the majority of Chevelles may have been from Allens. We think the 69 427 Camaro was from Bill Allen as well. It makes a good bit of sense to get the cars from Bill Allen after the COPO Nova run, since it would be a local dealer near Dicks shop. The Camaro does not appear to have been at Gibb's. It was sold at Ed Black Chevrolet in New Mexico new. That is a fact. We visited the original owners in New Mexico when we went of a mega road trip to Harrell's shop in Los Cruses NM...BKH

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

the bowie gang

It seems the car you are trying to locate may either be the one in the '68 article or just another Chevelle, possibly modified by Dick Harrell. If the records show it going through the Gibb dealership, it could be the one in the article. I just spoke with Dave Libby, he worked for Dickie in '68-9.
He verified 5 Chevelles total, for 1968. The one meant to be Dick's Super Stocker apparently was never prepared for racing, just sat for awhile in the shop, until a drivetrain was put in it by Dave's brother. It was red with black vinyl top, just like Joe's. This car is the one I mentioned above, first going to the Gibb dealership.
It was totaled in 1970, per Dave. That leaves 3 others, other than Joe's. Anyone know of there whereabouts? Dave mentioned them being ugly green (2), red (2), and the blue one.

If you determine the possible build date from the VIN, it would probably be before Joe's car, if it went through Fred Gibb. This might help, but who knows. Don't give up until you find the car though, you never know how these things work out. https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

My Ralley Green Harrell COPO was delivered new through Bill Allen Chevrolet. I have a certified copy of the Bill Allen Chevrolet bill of sale from the State DMV. Also shows "MO" Motor ID on it. The original owner of this car is still alive and in speaking he told of buying from Bill Allen/Dick Harrell. My 68 Harrell Camaro was delivered through Branine Chevrolet. I have the same sheet and VIN's my Camaro and the Chevelle that Bowtie Gang has. (Len I responded to your email). It notes these two cars coming from Gibb. I also spoke to Mr. Branine whom is retired now, and he told the whole story. The original owner of my 68 is alive and in speaking with him; his family was friends of the Branine's at the time.

Brian, did you get my email I sent several days ago? Kevin

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

the_bowtie_gang:

I live in a small town about 10 miles outside the KC area. If you give me the VIN I will do some digging and see what I can find out. I know some people that might be willing to help out. Any rare supercar that comes close to my neck of the woods excites me !!!!

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

supercars/bhkpah

Did Mr. Branine discuss what the connection was regarding Fred Gibb? I have several original Dick Harrell full page ads, from DragWorld, the one dated 4/12/68 lists Branine Chev. in Mulvane, another dated 7/5/68 does not. Both also list "Courtesy" in Phoenix, Arizona, San Diego, San Jose, and Thousand Oaks, CA, and Fred Gibb, Bill Allen and Burt Chevy in Engelwood, Co. A later 12/13/68 ad lists a new dealer, Riley Chev. in Jefferson City, MO. No further Branine Chev. notice.

I have an announcement article regarding Fred Gibb and Dick Harrell, came from Helen's albums),I think dated early January 1968. I will quote the beginning and other pertinent parts of the article:

"New Dealership for High Performance Cars"

"Fred Gibb, Jr., owner of the local Chevrolet dealership, has announced an expansion in the business activities of Fred Gibb Chevrolet. In association with Dick Harrell of Kansas City, Missouri they are planning the production and distribution of high performance Chevrolets through a limited number of selected Chevrolet dealers throughout the United States. The local firm will furnish the Camaros and Chevelles to the "Dick Harrell Performance Center" in Kansas City where the conversions will be made. The cars will also be sold locally....Speaking of the new business venture, Fred said, "We are quite enthused about this new business, but a lot of work lies ahead. We have been keeping the telephone lines 'hot' between here and Kansas City, Detroit, and the west coast for the past several weeks...As we will be the only dealer in this area, as well as distributor for others, I feel it will surely help business here."

Do you have further information or articles etc. to help understand these relationships?
Were these "gentlemen" agreements or specific contracts? I find the saga of Dickie Harrell and Fred Gibb quite intriguing, and would like to help other owners and those interested learn more about the racing and high performance machines they made and sold. Does anyone know about the Courtesy, Burt and Riley connections?

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

Yes, this is the car Kevin is speaking about.
It's not just a modified car or a "tuner" car with wannabe stickers/emblems added.

It was sold new as a "DICK HARRELL" car.

I'm the one who originally documented BOTH Kevins Camaro, and this Chevelle I'm now asking about.

I still have the 1984 newspaper clipping advertising the Camaro (Kevins car) when I could have bought it but didn't.

I was able to document it AND the Chevelle in 1984-85, were any of you owners OR personally involved with ANY Harrell cars then?

I have the original copies of all of Kevins documentation (I believe), except for the later signed statements that he obtained from Mr. Branine & Larry Gann.

...Kevin, I suppose now you'll be "pumped" for the VIN now, like I have been. I had hoped it (the VIN) wouldn't get divulged since I (like you) probably would like a shot at obtaining the car.


[Edited by the_bowtie_gang (10-10-2001 at 09:45 PM).]

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

the bowtie gang

Just trying to help, I have no intention on trying to "scoop" someone. I have seen others not succeed just because they gave up when they were very close. BTW, Dave Libby lives in Kansas, same place since he worked for Dickie. Maybe he could help.

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

OOPS (that who painted for Dickie Harrell)

My post above is incorrect regarding the Branine Chevrolet name in conjunction with the 12/13/68 Harrell Ad. https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/frown.gif Branine Chevrolet is noted center stage above the Dick Harrell logo. As a note, the ads I have found in later 1969 DragWorlds are smaller, and not full back page ads, with no dealership names mentioned. I also forgot another Chevrolet dealer in California, appearing in the 12/13/68 ad, Crawford Chevy, in Ventura.

Has anyone heard about a "Harrell" car in New Ulm, MN?

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

...looking at some of the previous registration documentation I have on these two cars...

Camaro 1st titled 07-30-68

Chevelle 1st titled 05-20-68

They were BOTH marked down on the "New Car check in sheet" (unloaded off of the transport truck??) on 05-07-68.

The Chevelle was titled 13 days later. The Camaro was titled a month and a half to almost a full month later.

[Edited by the_bowtie_gang (10-11-2001 at 12:06 AM).]

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

the bowtie gang

I didn't think it was directed at me, just covering the bases. I understand the VIN is useless in a search as you are going through. I am clarifying at this time whether some of the Gibb historians can check old archives, to see if they can run VIN's. This might be helpful if and once you have found the car, and are trying to document it fully. Or possibly the current owner has called someone connected with Gibb/Harrell cars.

I do not know if banking records ever are open for data base searches, such as when people are using vehicles for collateral, or listing "assets". This might be a far reach.
Also criminal history searches, when property of known criminals is confiscated by law enforcement.(an inside contact?) Just some thoughts.

Keep the search going, use all resources, knowing details about the car is priceless. That is how I found the "Little Hoss" car. Call all ads that reference the type of car, no matter where you find them. Track every last lead to its conclusion. Do not be timid when contacting people, just ask the proper questions and be polite. https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

68TopStock,

I wasn't directing that ..."pumped" for the VIN quote at you at all.

Since one can't do a "title search" or "title chain search" (as some DMV/state tax commissions/vehicle registrars call them) anymore due to the Federal Privacy Act of 199x, I'm not sure of a legit reason why anyone needs the VIN to help in tracking this car down.

Oh sure, once it's located it would provide final verification that it's the same car I'm looking for.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how would you track a car using it's VIN other than the following....

(a.) State DMV (any and all states it was every registered in.

(b.) NCIC

(c.) NICB (National Insurance Crime Bureau's

(d.) ????

[Edited by the_bowtie_gang (10-11-2001 at 12:27 AM).]

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

According to the classicnovas.net Harrell had some type of arrangement with Courtesy Chevrolet for racing sponsorship and a dealer network. The Courtesy Chevrolet name was on some of the Funny Cars. This is a quote from the nova site "The Chevrolet Dealer Network he (Harrell) established in the state of CA included the Courtesy Chevrolet dealers of Los Angeles, San Diego, San Jose, and Thousand Oaks. Another CA Dealer was Crawford Chevrolet of Ventura, CA. Locations of others were Burt Chevrolet of Englewood, CO, Riley Chevrolet of Jefferson City, MO, Bill Allen Chevrolet of Kansas City, MO, Fred Gibb Chevrolet of LaHarpe, IL, and Courtesy Chevrolet of Phoenix, AZ."

The Courtesy Chevrolet name is still be in buisness and has a web site at

http://www.courtesychev.com/frm_nvh.htm

[Edited by JoeC (10-11-2001 at 08:31 AM).]

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

the_bowtie_gang:

I to am just trying to help since I live in the area. I am not interested in trying to take something out from under you. I love this site and these cars. The people here are very knowledgeable and care about authenticity of these automobiles. Anyway I couldnÃt afford the price tag even if I did find it. I understand your hesitation though, one cant be to careful.

69yenkoman

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

Relax bowtie gang, this site is about sharing info - including VIN numbers - and helping each other with their info requests, verifications, ect.. You would be surprised how many of us were into these specialty cars as early as the mid '80's. I've been looking for a particular car in the KC area for a few years now, I know the frustration with the privacy act and the various DMV's. Were just here to help!!
M

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

marlin,

I'm relaxed.

Post the VIN of the car YOU'RE looking for (in the KC area), maybe I can help if I have the VIN https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

THEN ponder the following....


Just because all of you guys that post on this board might be "good guys" and "wouldn't take something out from under me".... well Ya don't HAVE to be signed in/on as a participant or member of this site to VIEW things.

There might be a troll or two (or a few hundred) who come to this site and just browse around just for the heck of it or because they truly are interested in these cars.

Some of THEM just might not be "goog guys" and would JUMP at the chance to have the VIN of a "missing in action" Dick Harrell car, a COPO car, or a YENKO Deuce... or something else.

Now let's see all of your VINs!!! :)


[Edited by the_bowtie_gang (10-12-2001 at 04:19 PM).]

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

Charley Lillard has trained a Chevelle sniffing dog....he posted some results in a couple previous post topics. https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/burnout.gif

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

Just to add to the list of "Dick Harrell" dealers, I have an ad listing Francis Chevrolet, of St. Louis, MO, dated 4/12/68.
BTW: Herb Fox mentioned to me the place he met Dick Harrell was at a small shop in East St. Louis, MO, in summer of 1967. Anyone know what shop this would be?

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

You don't sound too relaxed bowtie!! I understand a 'put up or shut up' post, so here it is.

The last '70 Yenko Deuce produced was a Cranberry Red, automatic transmission, with power steering car. This car was sold by Yenko Chevrolet to Capital Chevrolet in Montgomery, Alabama around 8/20/70, and was asigned Yenko stock number YS-145. The VIN number is 114270W368916. Camarojoe has some documentation from Capital Chev. that was sent to an interested customer in Sept. of 70 referencing this very car. This car was then involved in either a flood, wreck or theft, and was totalled. The car was most likely sold at auction in Alabama, and was purchased on 2/16/73 by a company called Underwriters Sales Corp in Kansas City, MO. The car had an 'F' title, which leads me to believe that it was a Flood that totalled it. Underwriters sold the car on 10/04/74 with a 'U' title, probably as a Used car. It is not known where this car ended up, but Underwriters is now selling mattresses after getting out of the used car business about 5 years ago. I have checked all surrounding states, all the way to Oklahoma, but have turned up nothing.

Your turn bowtie!! https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif
M

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

I Forgot!!
My VIN is 114270W349363, Gobi Beige, 4speed '70 Yenko Nova 17th car produced, stock number YS-049, originally sold out of Nankivell Chev. in Indianapolis, IN.
M

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

Marlin, what is your Visa card number? https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

1142 70W3 4936 3000 - same as my VIN!! https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif
M

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

This has been quite an interesting thread. Not choosing sides here, but personally, I can't imagine any of us that were seriously pursuing a lead on an ultra rare car would post the VIN on this public website for all to see. While I agree it's doubtful one of the website regulars would try to scoop Bowtie Gang on the car, he does make a good point about the "lurkers or trolls". Bowtie Gang, I hope you are able to find it soon and we can all see it at a future Supercar Reunion.

ps: if you go back and read the thread on the 71 BM Camaro, I think you'd realize it was a different situation completely. A car that's advertised openly in Hemmings is certainly fair game for anyone.

[Edited by COPO (10-15-2001 at 08:06 PM).]

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

Thank you, COPO.

And I'm still relaxed. It takes more than comments from a couple of ( ) you fill in the blank, to rile me up.

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

Man, welcome to this site!!!

1st it was "implied" that I couldn't or didn't know if I was even looking for a Nova or a Chevelle for pete's sake!!!

Then I was "informed" that all five of the Chevelles were X Y or Z (color), that makes five, so the one you're asking about (somewhat implied, can't be the real deal). Maybe it's one modified or something.

Then I get told AGAIN a 2nd time about the five (and only five) built according to Dave Libby.

69yenkoman, you've YET to explain how having the VIN for the car will allow YOU to find it... still waiting...

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY,
If putting a grinning smiley face after a sentence ISN'T usually an indication of
"I'm just kidding", then what is it?

The paragraph after THAT explained my reluctance of posting a VIN for a car that MAY be available. And WAS NOT directly speaking of the ethics of the people on this site.

But, if you WANT to talk about that....
I was warned from ONE OF YOU GUYS ON THIS VERY SITE to watch out for at least some of you.

One of his prime examples was a while back when a guy asked one of you about a '71 Baldwin Motion car and the next thing he knew (while the sale was still pending) that the very same guy he asked questions to about the car buys it.

And then quite a few of you pile on the guy who originally was asking questions about the car... hummm.. sounds just like what I was doing...

https://www.yenko.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000456.html

Now before the REST OF YOU HERE ON THIS SITE all pile on ME, I'm just stating what I was told by someone who posts quite a bit here.

I'm NOT painting everyone with a broad stroke of the brush.

But, after the treatment I've had in just one short week by at least a couple of you... WHO'S got a right to want to keep a thing like a VIN number to himself when that example HAS happened?

It's also so highly intelligent for you pick out one misspelled word just to belittle someone. It really makes one understand the maturity level of the one being critical. Feel better about youself, now do you?

Pssst, if sew, what a reel dumbb shiit U R.


[Edited by the_bowtie_gang (10-15-2001 at 08:27 PM).]

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

COPO,

Yes, and if the guy WAS actively dealing with the broker AND a price "was agreed upon" I believe the post read, then other offers should be held pending outcome of the CURRENT offer.

And I quite agree that pending deals or offers are not binding forever. But whether the time-frame was four hours later, four days later, or a call was to be made by "such and such time", then there WAS a valid pending offer and that broker should have dealt with it BEFORE accepting another offer.

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

I believe another Motion car recently came up for sale on Ebay that appeared to be just as nice as the one the potential buyer missed out on and was priced the same. I believe we suggested that he buy that car but I don't believe he did. I don't know the terms of his orig. offer but the second car should have fit the Bill OK. I even like the White stripes better on the second car. Bowtie..I agree it wouldn't be wise to disclose the vin to anybody also. As for Your comment " I was able to document IT and the Chevelle in 1984-5, were any of you owners OR personally involved with ANY Harrell cars then? " Does that make you better than us ? Sounds like that's the point you are trying to make. Maybe you're just crummier at finding cars. I hope after 15 years you finally find it. Right now I'm thinking I should be out trying to find that # 61 ZL1 with the Leads that were posted on this site.

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

I was told by "deep throat" (ha ha) that this guy (the one dealing with the broker) had called up and spoken with the guy who ended up with it.

At least that is what I was told by one of you "in the know".

I certainly understand that it would be one thing if the two had not spoken. And the one now with the car, had bought it out straight out of Hemmings.

But with the way it was told to me, it's a slightly different story. And NO, "deep throat" is NOT the disgruntled guy that wanted to buy to car, it was someone else who's posted enough to know who/what is up.

So are we NOW saying NOT to ask questions and about a possible COPO, B/M, Harrell, Gibb, or Yenko BEFORE buying it? So that guy should have "Just jumped on it" and asked questions after buying it? The you snooze you loose thing you're all telling him.

I think I've seen mentioned on this very site where you all shake you heads over all of the people who do not know much about these cars, thinking with their wallets THEN asking questions.

And you guys also had a discussion on all of the fake Yenko crap on eBay... and the worry of how all of the young people today think (might think) it's the REAL DEAL.

So. Then here's what I'm supposed to do....

Post the VIN here and with all of the nice people here, who

"...this site is about sharing info - including VIN numbers - and helping each other with their info requests, verifications, ect.."

That means you guys will give ME first chance at buying the Chevelle, RIGHT?

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

Bowtie..........Marlin might be into sharing vin #'s but we all know he is just Silly... Share the vin # with me and I will let you buy it after I'm done with it. As for Deep Throat, did he just hear the buyers side of the story or did he hear both.... The other side of the story that I was told was that there was no agreement on a sale and that about 6 people were interested in the car and that whoever stepped up to the plate would own the car. I have sat back and watched deals on cars where the buyer told me he wanted the car only to see him drag his feet until someone else scoops it up. I ask my friend why he didn't buy the car and then I find out he was trying to make some stupid trade to get it. We will probably never the exact way the Motion deal went but there are always two sides to a story. I'm not siding with either side but if 69Motion(I think that was the buyer)was ready to step up to the plate I would think that he would then go on to buy the second car that was offered. Maybe he has by now. Maybe he wants my 80 Motion......Hmmmm...

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

and another "Welcome to this site"....

"Does that make you better than us ?"

No, I reply. But re-read the part where I was told...

"don't know if it's a Nova or Chevelle",

and

"all five of the Chevelles are this, this, or this"

(basically meaning I don't know what I'm talking about, and if that's so, that means that you/them are "better" than me?).



"Maybe you're just crummier at finding cars."

"I hope after 15 years you finally find it."

sweet, more nice things to say to me. Keep it coming.

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

The_bowtie_gang

I know you are looking for help in trying to find this car. I understand there are those that desire to locate or "find" a car, so as to enjoy the discovery and recognition received from such an effort, and will undermine an other individuals' efforts. This really is hard work, and takes alot of time.

Just knowing the car may exist is great news as I have a strong interest in helping other owners of suspected or known Fred Gibb or Dick Harrell vehicles. I have only been associated with the folks surrounding these cars for a few years , however have found information available, if known, when asking for it. Feel free to e-mail me, and I will give you some names and phone numbers of other owners in the midwest, and the names of the Gibb historians. It appears to me this car is one of those shipped from Fred Gibb to Dick Harrells shop, and then reinvoiced to Branine Chevy. Take this offer as you may, hopefully, you will find the car you are searching for.





[Edited by 68TopStock (10-16-2001 at 12:14 AM).]

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

the_bowtie_gang:

Ok Mr negative put your VIN where your mouth is !!!! Marlin's not afraid are you? I really hope you donÃt live the rest of your life fearing someone's out to take something from you. Oh yea and spell checkers usually catch things like...."goog guys" what the heck is that???

I really doubt that with an attitude like that you will get much help from the people on this site. I'm not saying that you should or shouldnÃt post the vin, all I am saying is donÃt perceive everyone as a thief or bad mouth them for trying to help

69 Yenkoman

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

I hope the bowtie gang isn't scared off, this is an excellent forum. For even if you look at the Motion deal thread, you'll find that both parties in that dispute handled themselves with decorum, no small feat when one man feels victimized, and another has his character called into question. I haven't found another site where so much information is shared, and the participants have so much hard core knowledge.

Marlin is an optimist, but you will note that he is very generous with his vast resources of Yenko (esp Deuce) knowledge. Its obvious he loves the sharing of information and he can't understand why everybody doesn't do the same. And as long as he feels this way, I will continue to learn from him, for free!

From what I understand, Charlie has bought and sold countless cars and has come to appreciate men of action, not just words. Probably because they actually buy things from him. His one reply was a little catty, but cut some slack-we all have our days.

Being a dealer/broker/appraiser, I've seen and heard a lot of classless moves. I once had a local jeweler copy a registration and go to the sellers doorstep to try and cut us out of a deal. (I wanted to go to the SOB's shop and ask if I could deal direct with his wholesaler when I had a need for gold or diamonds.) I've also held cars for people who promised me they'd buy a car, but neglected to tell me that they had to sell a few things, beg their wife, and win the lottery to pull it off. For the record, whenever I've held a car and not gotten a deposit, I've NEVER had the deal go through. I think I went 0 for 20 before I quit doing that. I'm not a hard seller, but if you're not confident or passionate enough to put money on a deal, buyers remorse will always prevail after a day or two. (Or a month, or however long the seller lets you drag your feet.)

As for sharing VINs and the like, I don't think limiting this type of info to e-mails or other more private means is rude. Chasing cars isn't like sharing information or history. Its more like poker where you play the cards you have to but keep a few close to your chest, so you still can win in the end.

Re: Anyone know of a Fathom Blue '68 DICK HARRELL Chevelle?
 

the bowtie gang, agree w/you 100% regarding the BM Camaro, my point was the broker was the smuck not the sucessful buyer as the car was openly advertised and not something learned about by confidential information.

[Edited by COPO (10-16-2001 at 07:05 AM).]