[mrmuscle]

that is a cool link and article. dont get me wrong, i am not trying to knock wangers off of his pedestal, i am merely stating a true fact that he never talks about any of the competition. i have heard him speak and he speaks like there was never anyone around that could touch anything he did or was associated with. i also have heard him state that you wouldnt believe what all went on behind closed doors, but it always involved him only. there is too much documeted proof that knafel had alot of dealings with engineering and tested their items. records document the fact that royals team couldnt hold a candle to knafels.