Silver ZL1 at Future Classics?

[Kurt S]

The history of the car is known. It was a 327 car. Mileage is real.

[Stefano]

My "new to me" 1969 Van Nuys L78 Rag Top Camaro does have the bracket bolted to the frame rail but with no reinforcement plate , just as Kurt stated.

[69L89396]

Looks like the L89 convertable has gone back into hiding again.

[Steve Shauger]

From what I have heard the car was sold at the Atlantic City show for $79K. I have also been told the new owner is now aware that it was a 327ci 210 hp powerglide. I would expect some sort of litigation shortly.

[Norm reynolds]

car sold at atlantic city for 69.500.

[Jeff H]

These clones are really taking some players out of the market. It almost makes me think we need to build a clone database somewhere to help new buyers out. Not to beat down the clones, but to help identify them for what they are. There are probably more 69 Yenko clones than real 69 Yenkos and we all know that there has to be at least 40,000 69 Z28's out there now too. The thing about that L89 conv is that it never had any documentation when it was for sale the past 2 years and then it suddenly shows up for sale with an original protect-o-plate! Is there any way to stop this stuff?

[Rat_Pack]

Yes, quit buying the reproduction trim tags and protecto plates that are on the market and run these guys out of business. As long as the hobby supports the making of these items then the clones/fakes are going to get better. The government needs to step in as to me there is no way a repro POP should be allowed to be made. It contains the VIN of the vehicle and the last time I checked that was illegal to duplicate anything with the vin. That is why the restoration vendors do not have the little blue decal for the drivers door on 70 and up vehicles that had the vin typed on it. About 12 years ago the fed's confinscated all of the parts suppliers/vendors inventory of those decals and they have not been for sale since. I have heard of some "black market" ones available but they are the wrong color and the lettering is the wrong font...........RatPack...................

[TimG]

I don't think there is any way to stop this stuff. The only way to protect yourself is to do the research on a rare vehicle and contact prior owners. I go back to the 1967 L89 Corvette that a dealer sold last summer. The car was in my name for seven years and I was never contacted about the car. When I saw this car nationally advertised I anticipated a number of calls to me. My phone never rang. Another owner here in Austin was never contacted about the car either.

[CamaroKing]

Paul,You were offered to go see a Factory 69 SS BB in the paint shop and you didn't go but you were able to see the trim tag anyway? WOW how did you do that! The only 69 RS Z28 i saw was a beautiful Lemans Blue one that sold for $31.The Silver ZL1 Clone has not been there for about a Year! It is now in California.As Kurt stated about the L89 Conv you did not know what you were looking for.The only car that i was offered to see was a COPO Tuxedo Black 3 owner car that is being restored.It has a X11 Code.Sonds like your a little deep into your knee deep Projects!

[Muscle Car Jon]

I had seen that L89 Convertible at the Atlantic City Auction too. I asked the owner about the car, since it was such low miles. He stated that he had Future research the car because he was getting many questions about the authenticity of it. They had contacted all the parties that were supposed to have built the car. Not one of them had any information on the car and they made no claims to the vehicle. Is this all rumor then? How far can we go to prove a car is a clone? If the car was a built car, and the shop does not claim to ever have the car, and none of the previous owners know, then where can we go? It just seams to be hearsay or rumors. No one is coming forward to say, "Yes, it was my car, and yes it is a clone." The person who bought the car for $69,500 or what ever the auction sale was, bought it at an auction, which is AS/IS. The actual owner of the car had brought it to the auction to sell it. If the buyer thought he paid "too much" after the fact, then that is his fault and not the fault of the seller. No one forced him to bid that price, he did it under his own will. It is just as if we were buying a car from Ebay with the exception that he actually had seen the car and he felt the car was worth it.