69 Camaro COPO on Ebay

[Hotrodpaul]

Can you post a pic of the trim tag? The body build seems a little out of sequence. I have an original X22 car with an 04C build date, 634XXX Vin and 319055 Body Sequence number. The car listed has a 641030 VIN which is a week or two later with an earlier Body Build # 292789. With the VIN listed, the body should have a 04D to 05B build date listed on the trim tag. I would check the rivets closely for a swapped trim tag. Could this be a normal production tolerance?

Paul
69 Camaro SS L78 M21 4.10's
70 Camaro Z28 M40

[COPO]

Many of the COPO body #'s are out of sequence.

[69L72RS]

As a courtesy I did offer the engine to him at $10K (what I had to invest to get it). He declined. The price went to $20K when the first intersted buyer contacted me about me restamping my engine. After a few more people told me I was referred to as a restamper, the engine became no longer for sale. But it was available for inspection.

Tonight I made an offer of $45K for the car to Jim.
The car at present is an X44 body with:
1) NO paperwork
2) a RESTAMPED engine
3) an INCORRECT transmission
4) an INCORRECT rearend
5) in need of a $30K to $40K restoration

I already have a large investment in the engine, rear, and tracking fees for the car. Lot of good my trackers turned out to be.

I think my offer for the car is fair for its current state/condition.

Does anyone think my offer is out of line?

I even offered to let Jim use my engine as evidence in a fraud suit, if he wanted to try to get his money back from the person he bought the car from. He declined that offer earlier.

[Mr70]

Both of you need to post a close up picture of the VIN stamping on your respective blocks.

[gemleeus]

if you don't lie then, what about the post that says you stated cuneen and lopata verified your car and lopata states thats absolutely not true? this happens so much, you people list your cars as being the real deal and then you get caught with your pants down and come to the different boards trying to defend your case ranting and raving about this and that and before its over your made to look like fools. I've read your posts. everything appeared to me like you may have also been the victim of deception, until I read the one about lopata and cuneen verifing your car, after that all bets were off. at least it appears in this case you have a real copo car just not the real powertrain.

[cars]

You better learn to read, I NEVER said they verifed anything because THEY DID NOT, so have someone read it to you again, its come to my attention last night that I my have bought a car with a restamped motor, and who did it, I don't play that game. I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH TODAY.

[COPO427]

All these guys making clones will one day soon be eating their words and loosing their shirts and that includes duplicated VIN's in different States/Countries. Just like in the Terminator movie. Judgement Day is coming. That's all I have to say.

[SamLBInj]

Hopefully one day those chevy numbers will turn up like the pontiacs...there will be lots of newly changed phone numbers and cars for sale cheap...
Have you driven a clone...lately..

[Lynn]

Jim (cars):

Hope you understand the scepticism on this board. Lots of knowledgeable guys, and there have been frauds uncovered before. Some obvious, some not so obvious.

Hopefully we can look at all the FACTS and then each person can come to their own conclusion. Looking back at your first auction for this car, I don't see where you used either Ed's name or Lopata's name. However, your auction does state:

"I have spoke with the COPO pro on this car, gave him all the # and he said it was the real deal."

Most folks would take that to mean Ed, or at least someone in the know. As far as any restamps, there have been requests for pictures of your engine pad and partial VIN as well as the one owned by 69L72SS. Think all of us would like to see those pics as well as Trim Tag pics.

As to whether you actually accused anyone of restamping a motor to match this car, I have yet to see a copy of any such email. If anyone has such evidence, let's see it. Getting information second and third hand isn't very reliable. Stories get changed. If in fact you did accuse 69L72SS of restamping his engine without knowing the history, and I am not saying you did, that would sure put a dent in the old integrity. If it turns out you purchased a restamped block, then I would think you would want to pursue that, and at the very least, expose the fraud who sold it to you. We would all like to avoid those guys.

Hopefully all can keep an open mind until more facts come out.

Just my opinion.

Lynn

[COPO427]

Another thing, I'd be holding off on buyng any US Muscle Cars especially the high dollar ones "COPO, sYc, ZL1, L78, LS6, LS5, L88".

My .02