chevelle build sheets

[COPO427]

You guys all know that it comes down to this.
Joe Blow buys a US 350 Chevelle and clones it to a LS6 or a L78. Or even change a SS396/350 car to the big $$ makers. LS5,LS6,L78. The difference is mega mega $$$$$ difference. SO that's why they need the build sheet. Build 1 clone per year and you don't have to work for a living. Build a handfull of clones and you can retire. This isn't rocket science. If everyone just buys Canadian Chevelles then they can call GM vintage for the option list and this would stop people buying clones as the real McCoy. Then you may see the clones advertised as cones and the prices would be lower than the real cars.

[Steve Shauger]

You still run into rebodied rust buckets and restamped drivetrains. That paperwork only identifies how the car was originally equipped based on the VIN , it in no way documents the cars pedigree. Yes it is great documentation, however it doesn't prove anything in terms of if this car still retains it orig body, or drivetrain. With the paperwork you still could have a clone of an actual car..

[3macs1]

So true Steve. I am more careful looking at canadian cars than US ones.Rebody is very common.There are guys that make their living for 20 plus years now bringing back rust free US shells to canada.I got beat to death on this on another site but was just being honest.On one of the BJ auctions I watched a hemi cuda , that was checked by some expert to be the real deal but she was pulled out of the woods with my truck many years ago for a friend for 1800. he did a unreal job on it with another body and sold it for 50K new owner knowing what it was.Now years later it shows up at BJ as a documented 100% matching number with docs which it was but the body was changed.As you know a hemi is probally one of the hardest to do but not in the hands of someone who knows them.
I look at it two ways.We live in the rust belt so do we scrap a original documented numbers matching rare car or rebody it.Friend just finihed his 70 chevelle only thing original is the roof and the cowl what is she classed as today vs him installing the cowl in a rust free body.Not saying I agree with it but it is real world. I would like to see the guy that would cut up a 70 factory heni 4spd cuda with all docs just because the body it shot.

[jimclemens]

HELLO EVERYONE...BACK AGAIN FOR A FEW WORDS. I HAVE READ A FEW POSTS, AND BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT BOTH SIDES ARE SAYING. I DEAL WITH THIS EVERY DAY. NOT JUST ONCE IN WHILE WHEN SOMEONE DECIDES TO MAKE A POST ON A WEBSITE. I DO APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT KNOW ME AND SUPPORT WHAT I AM DOING. BUILD SHEETS ARE A SMALL PSRT OF WHAT I DO. I OFFER MANY OTHER SERVICES AS WELL AS ORIGINAL LITERATURE AND ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION. WHEN ANY REPRODUCTION PART OR ITEM IS MADE, DO YOU SEE THE WORDS "REPRODUCTION" STAMPED ALL OVER IT? NOT USUALLY. IF IT WAS, PEOPLE WOULD NOT BUY IT. PEOPLE ARE JUST HAPPY TO GET THE STUFF. SOME GUYS ACTUALLY JUST WANT THE BUILD SHEET FOR A CAR THEY HAVE OWNED FOR 20 YEARS. NO EVERYYONE IS A CROOK. BELIEVE ME, THEY ARE THRILLED THEY CAN EVEN GET ONE. ALL THIS DISRUPTION AND CORRUPTION SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM. IT ALL FALLS ON THE BUYER AND SELLER. SELLERS SHOULD NOT MISREPRESENT THEIR CARS AND BUYERS SHOULD NOT BE BUYING THEM IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. BUYERS HAVE BEEN MISLED ON A CARS TRUE INDENTITY LONG BEFORE "REPO" BUILD SHEETS CAME ALONG. THANKS AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME TO READ. JIM

[SuperNovaSS]

If you have enough other stuff to do the quit making fake buildsheets! Also, turn off the caps lock; you are not faking a buildsheet right now.


Jason

[MYSTERYCHEVELLE]

I gues this is GUNS Don't Kill people, People Kill people logic..

Guys, I think we all realize, that no matter what we all say here, the guy is not going to stop doing what he does, too much money to be made and too thick headed. It just makes us all more AWARE of what we need to do do when buying cars.

MC

[3macs1]

I have not seen his work that I know of but from what I heard and seen on this side it is the canadian guy that has to be shut down since the FL papers assuming it is the same guy are very easy to tell that they are not original. I have been told that time and time again.
I know based on the Pm's for his contact info in canada and they are not looking for a remake of an original.

[JoeG]

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HELLO EVERYONE...BACK AGAIN FOR A FEW WORDS. I HAVE READ A FEW POSTS, AND BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT BOTH SIDES ARE SAYING. I DEAL WITH THIS EVERY DAY. NOT JUST ONCE IN WHILE WHEN SOMEONE DECIDES TO MAKE A POST ON A WEBSITE. I DO APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT KNOW ME AND SUPPORT WHAT I AM DOING. BUILD SHEETS ARE A SMALL PSRT OF WHAT I DO. I OFFER MANY OTHER SERVICES AS WELL AS ORIGINAL LITERATURE AND ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION. WHEN ANY REPRODUCTION PART OR ITEM IS MADE, DO YOU SEE THE WORDS "REPRODUCTION" STAMPED ALL OVER IT? NOT USUALLY. IF IT WAS, PEOPLE WOULD NOT BUY IT. PEOPLE ARE JUST HAPPY TO GET THE STUFF. SOME GUYS ACTUALLY JUST WANT THE BUILD SHEET FOR A CAR THEY HAVE OWNED FOR 20 YEARS. NO EVERYYONE IS A CROOK. BELIEVE ME, THEY ARE THRILLED THEY CAN EVEN GET ONE. ALL THIS DISRUPTION AND CORRUPTION SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM. IT ALL FALLS ON THE BUYER AND SELLER. SELLERS SHOULD NOT MISREPRESENT THEIR CARS AND BUYERS SHOULD NOT BE BUYING THEM IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. BUYERS HAVE BEEN MISLED ON A CARS TRUE INDENTITY LONG BEFORE "REPO" BUILD SHEETS CAME ALONG. THANKS AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME TO READ. JIM

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Companies who make trim parts, some exact to the "ORIGINAL" badges or emblems for cars put their own inventory number on the reproduced part not the GM id number. ---Just for the heck of it, if someone came across one of "YOUR" buildsheets maybe you could educate me on how they would be able to tell the difference from the "ORIGINAL" if ( for example) your"REPRO" buildsheet wasn't being presented as a reproduction.--Since this seems to be the wave of the future I'm just curious how I can avoid being taken for a ride..........

[Rainer]

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---Just for the heck of it, if someone came across one of your buildsheets maybe you could educate me on how they would be able to tell the difference from the "ORIGINAL" if ( for example) your"REPRO" buildsheet wasn't being presented as a reproduction.--Since this seems to be the wave of the future I'm just curious how I can avoid being taken for a ride..........

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Excellent suggestion, Joe. Is the seller truly interested in minimizing the fraud that can result from the use of these build sheets, or is the attitude, "Its out of my hands."

How about this Jim - are you willing to offer a service that, for a nominal fee, you'll inspect a build sheet for a prospective buyer and verify whether its your handywork or not? This shouldn't affect the sale of your sheets for legit reasons one bit. And this wouldn't require you to reveal the tell-tale signs that differentiate your sheets from originals. Well?

[COPO427]

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HELLO EVERYONE...BACK AGAIN FOR A FEW WORDS. I HAVE READ A FEW POSTS, AND BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT BOTH SIDES ARE SAYING. I DEAL WITH THIS EVERY DAY. NOT JUST ONCE IN WHILE WHEN SOMEONE DECIDES TO MAKE A POST ON A WEBSITE. I DO APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT KNOW ME AND SUPPORT WHAT I AM DOING. BUILD SHEETS ARE A SMALL PSRT OF WHAT I DO. I OFFER MANY OTHER SERVICES AS WELL AS ORIGINAL LITERATURE AND ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION. WHEN ANY REPRODUCTION PART OR ITEM IS MADE, DO YOU SEE THE WORDS "REPRODUCTION" STAMPED ALL OVER IT? NOT USUALLY. IF IT WAS, PEOPLE WOULD NOT BUY IT. PEOPLE ARE JUST HAPPY TO GET THE STUFF. SOME GUYS ACTUALLY JUST WANT THE BUILD SHEET FOR A CAR THEY HAVE OWNED FOR 20 YEARS. NO EVERYYONE IS A CROOK. BELIEVE ME, THEY ARE THRILLED THEY CAN EVEN GET ONE. ALL THIS DISRUPTION AND CORRUPTION SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM. IT ALL FALLS ON THE BUYER AND SELLER. SELLERS SHOULD NOT MISREPRESENT THEIR CARS AND BUYERS SHOULD NOT BE BUYING THEM IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. BUYERS HAVE BEEN MISLED ON A CARS TRUE INDENTITY LONG BEFORE "REPO" BUILD SHEETS CAME ALONG. THANKS AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME TO READ. JIM

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No CAPS please. My eyes hurt now.