PLEASE READ: SANDED & RESTAMPED NUMBERS!

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ALERT!! 1968 Camaro RS Z-28Warning!!
Chevy Camaro RS Z-28 - bought from Future Classics / Golden Classics of Lakewood, New Jersey (they use both names.) An official legal source has confirmed that the engine and transmission numbers have been sanded and restamped. If you are considering buying a car from Future Classics / Golden Classics of Lakewood, New Jersey, please contact me first. Email me for details

Or call me @ (949) 457-2532

Thank You!
Paul Giordano - CA

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Oh no, not again!! 'Slick' Nick pumps out another one!! Is the the blue one that was on the showroom floor over the past couple of years?
M

[Edited by YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY (06-15-2001 at 02:33 PM).]

[bkhpah]

I have been following the adventures of this car on the Team Camaro web site. It is not a good idea to buy a car site unseen. You should look at it yourself or at least hire an expert to look at it. I have seen the cars that this dealer sells. I would not take one as a gift..BKH

[bowtie3168]

I replied right after the Atlantic City Auction about this "company" they were marketing a 1969 Camaro ZL1 that had a Los Angeles vin # and a 1969 Yenko Camaro, color: Black exterior/Deluxe houndstooth interior. When I confronted the seller about the cars being bogus he justified his actions by saying that the cars were being offered at a more reasonable price than the "real things". I went there to look at an "all original" 1969 RS Camaro Z28 that came complete with a very unoriginal intake manifold, "Factory Hedman Headers, 1967 Alt, wrongly dated trans, blue anodized roller rockers, and "factory" chambered exhaust running into a "Flowmaster" mono muffler. Hmmmm.............

Andrew

[Belair62]

They must have been built at the special Cheech and Chong factory !

[NC Guy]

Buyer Beware!
As mentioned, hire a expert to evalute the car before plunking down the BIG $$. I've seen many restamped/bogus cars and parts throughout my time.
I recently saw a VERY BOGUS Canadian 68 Z28 pass the border into Ohio. I didn't have the heart to tell the guy.
Gezzz...

[MikeA]

Companies like this is why potential buyers MUST learn everything they can about a car they are interested in buying. This site is great because I feel I have learned alot about Yenkos and other Supercars. Thanks!

MikeA

[Casey Marks]

Well boys, it wasn't a Chevy, but I can tell you from PERSONAL experience that Golden Classics is the biggest scam going.

I was asked to check the numbers and authenticity on a 1970 440-6, 4-spd Road Runner. Plum Crazy, black interior, Dana 60 rear, blah, blah, blah. The unfortunate part was that the guy brought the car over to my shop AFTER he had given them a SIGNIFIGANT downpayment, and the remainder was in a certified check in the mail. As soon as I opened the hood, I could smell a rat. The car was sold as a complete *Numbers Matching* 440-6bbl RR. The center carb was a 1969 coded carb, and the two outboard carbs were '71's - - nice start .... The engine had two different casted cylinder heads - - one 906, and one 346. Most Mopar BB heads are not externally identifiable EXCEPT the 346 heads. They have two *humps* in them that are very visible without pulling a valve cover. One head with, one head without... The inner fenders had been cut for headers at some point. The car comes with front discs, and the only way to get those on a B-body Mopar is to have power brakes. This car mysteriously had a manual master cylinder with some hoaky plate that it was bolted to. Wrong radiator - - some Murray's one-size-fits-all replacement. The engine pad on the pass side by the pan rail was going to be the tell-tale. As soon as I put a flashlight to it, I could tell this was a fake - - and not even a good one !! The pad where the VIN is supposed to be had obviously been *ground* down with a grinder and sandpaper rolls. You know when you get caught in an area with those, they kinda put little divits in the surface that your grinding ??? This *machined* pad looked like the ocean. The stamps that were used were no where near what a factory Chrysler stamp was. I showed the owner no less than (5) engines ranging from a 68 383 to a 74 400 that ALL used the same type and font stamp. This wasn't even close. Trans - wrong - - numbers no where near what they were supposed to be. At this point, the owner was pissed !! I asked if he wanted me to stop ..... We kept going.... Dana 60 - ??. Numbers completely ground off - - unreadable.

We tore the seats out looking for a broadcast sheet - nothing. AND THEN, to add insult to injury, we decided to decode the body tag. Come to find out, this *Numbers Matching* Plum Crazy 6bbl RR was actually BLACK !!! At that point, we just stopped ...... The guy immediately called, and somehow got the Certified Check cancelled. Called Golden Classics (via his lawyer) to have them refund the deposit, and come pick up the car. After about 3 weeks of screwing around, he got everything squared away, but not without some major grief.

Now.........SHAME on the guy for not doing the research BEFORE he had the time and money invested. But ....... that type of fraud (yes FRAUD) is absolutely inexcusable !!! It would have been one thing if he paid $10-12k for the car, but he paid the going rate for an original 6bbl RR (not cheap !!)

Sorry for the long-winded story, but that whole debacle got (and still gets) me wound up !!

OH YEA - - to make matters worse, that was one of the cars that had a pic taken of it for the article in MCR about buying musclecars from dealers, etc........

[Chevy454]

Casey:

As I was reading your post I thought you were going to say that this car was for you...something about "wanting to be like Mike"! Wowk that is! j/k! Good to hear your friend got his money back...kind of makes it the best ending possible to a sad story. I bet he is a lot more careful now, though!

Andrew:

Sounds like a pretty good offer! Maybe you should put up a billboard or something near by the dealer offering your services, so NO ONE gets taken!

[bowtie3168]

Gentlemen,
I forgot to mention that the dealer that is the topic of our discussion is located less than 25 miles from my home. If anyone has any questions about previewing one of the cars that this "used car salesman"(please visualize a plaid polyester suit, big cheap cigar, and "have I got a deal for you" coming from his mouth.)please ask, I would be more than happy to take some time out of my schedule to make a quick preview inspect so that you do not travel all the way out here to look at a "L.A. built" ZL1, or your "black exterior/deluxe houndstooth int" '69 Yenko or a '67 "Nickey" (built in Queens by a guy named "Nickey", YES THAT IS TRUE!) or a 69 RS Z28 "all original" complete with newer and older parts than the car. I will be more than happy to save you a trip from 2500 miles away, I offer this as a courtesy, not as a billable service!

Andrew

We all need to look out and protect the interests of our club and its members.

[Edited by bowtie3168 (06-22-2001 at 10:22 AM).]